My idea for a new tank.

Mystic knight tank with chain sickle he swirls around and imbues with elements similar to ericthonios. Use the sickle chain like a grappling hook to either gap close or yank enemies closer like blue mage sticky tongue. Maybe make its short cd like dark knights but instead of breaking a shield you get a 10 second window of auto parry kinda like bulwark and if you take damage the first time you get hit you get a ogcd counter attack and infuses 3 different elements to your next 3 gcds sorta like dark arts.

Please, I don't want to ruin your fun but every time a new job is made, they took from the existing job and kinda diminish new thing that could improve them. Why would anyone want to rob from DRK anymore when it already lose a lot to other job?

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Originally Posted by The_User

Please, I don't want to ruin your fun but every time a new job is made, they took from the existing job and kinda diminish new thing that could improve them. Why would anyone want to rob from DRK anymore when it already lose a lot to other job?

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Maybe at some point you'll realize why everyone does so perfectly fine with DRK, just not you. (there's a consistent element there, you'll find it eventually I'm sure)

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Originally Posted by Reginald_Cain

Mystic knight tank with chain sickle he swirls around and imbues with elements similar to ericthonios. Use the sickle chain like a grappling hook to either gap close or yank enemies closer like blue mage sticky tongue. Maybe make its short cd like dark knights but instead of breaking a shield you get a 10 second window of auto parry kinda like bulwark and if you take damage the first time you get hit you get a ogcd counter attack and infuses 3 different elements to your next 3 gcds sorta like dark arts.

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Hrm, pretty neat idea, though for any new job (FFXIV has more than enough already if we're being honest) I'd really want very unique gameplay elements.

I guess in this case two immediately obvious elements of this design would be:

* All attacks AoEs, most of them PBAoE.
* Never-ending, maybe even auto-attacking, as you never stop spinning with your sickle? Or maybe even two modes, in one you cannot stop spinning and moving and all is AoE, in the other you're static but things are single-target, slower and you can't use some abilities?

And then like you say, do a lot with infusions of aether to emulate Erich. Come to think of it they could take a chunk out of some other MMOs, and make it so that this job has PBAoE autoattacks, no actual attack abilities, and the infusions modify the next auto-attack. So what is an attack skill on another job is an infusion here, and there's a delay before it is used (obvs some stuff can't work like this such as Interject).

This sounds like a lot of fun. I'm hoping we'll get a new tank and healer in 8.0 so maybe this is our future :D

Aesthetically maybe it could be something between war and drk. Or lean in heavy on the elemental aspect and go tank druid.

Not a fan of the chain sickle give that to a nin or a new dex class. If I would choose a weapon it be like a sword spear or something but also I would like to hear this thought more flushed out before giving it an ok

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Originally Posted by The_User

Please, I don't want to ruin your fun but every time a new job is made, they took from the existing job and kinda diminish new thing that could improve them. Why would anyone want to rob from DRK anymore when it already lose a lot to other job?

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Dark knight suffers from being one of the better designed tanks early on and having its mechanics copied over as a result. Look at gap closer on all tanks and powerful short cd Mitsubishi. Even dark arts went to sage. I think my short mitigation idea is unique enough by modern ff14 standards but I understand the knee perk frustration. Personally I wish they'd leaned into dark knight being a drain tank more than. Warrior but with how things are now im unsure how they can make dark knight feel more unique.

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Originally Posted by Vatom

Not a fan of the chain sickle give that to a nin or a new dex class. If I would choose a weapon it be like a sword spear or something but also I would like to hear this thought more flushed out before giving it an ok

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I feel like guandao would be closest to sword spear and it's functionally too similar to both dark knight and warriors weapons. I want the new tank to be able to pick between pulling enemies from afar or using the weapons to pull yourself into the enemy. It's more unique than generic dash. Guandao Mystic knight could be cool if it gets a spinning attack centric kit like carhigan suggested above. I just want a tank that feels powerful in a way that doesn't involve a giant weapon.

GNB doesn't feel powerful if not that a tank problem in a whole not just fix it with a new tank. Guandao is a Chinese weapon cool but I worry Japanese won't like that. Just pulling enemies is cool but you need a stronger x factor then that. I mean WAR should be able to do that. Also take into count the dangers of hyper mobile tanks. I state this to help not to shut you down.

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Originally Posted by Vatom

GNB doesn't feel powerful if not that a tank problem in a whole not just fix it with a new tank. Guandao is a Chinese weapon cool but I worry Japanese won't like that. Just pulling enemies is cool but you need a stronger x factor then that. I mean WAR should be able to do that. Also take into count the dangers of hyper mobile tanks. I state this to help not to shut you down.

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I hear ya it's cool. I agree the job has lots of room to flesh out. Also the Chinese vs. Japanese thing isn't really something to worry about in this game. We have tons of Chinese inspired equipment and the devs aren't shy to including various cultures into their game. Final fantasy has always been a mess of different cultural and mythological references. A lot of creative liberties are taken with them but they persist. Anyway, I think the elemental infusion and counter attack gameplay would be the main focus of the jobs combat design more than the weapon. The weapon i just feel fits a tank focused on mobility, crowd control and flashy damage.

Mime! We should bring back the Mime job, but it's a tank!

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Originally Posted by Reginald_Cain

I hear ya it's cool. I agree the job has lots of room to flesh out. Also the Chinese vs. Japanese thing isn't really something to worry about in this game. We have tons of Chinese inspired equipment and the devs aren't shy to including various cultures into their game. Final fantasy has always been a mess of different cultural and mythological references. A lot of creative liberties are taken with them but they persist. Anyway, I think the elemental infusion and counter attack gameplay would be the main focus of the jobs combat design more than the weapon. The weapon i just feel fits a tank focused on mobility, crowd control and flashy damage.

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I say that because they mainly flirt with other cultures not really touch on them. It's understandable but never executed to the extent which I wish.

Ok we got a start here your goal: high CC, mobility, and flash animations. A tall order to ask here since CB3 gutted cc but I digress. This is your idea and I want to help you flush it out. I are moving towards a mystic knight, spell blade type of deal with counter attack in mind. Funny it reminds me of old drk a bit but again I digress apologizes for the redundancy. Let's hone in on the weapon. Since that is a major part of the jobs identity.
- no big weapon
- ascetic has to be cool (we will need to define this)
- has to be different from other weapons
Sorry if this is overwhelming, the game designer in me kicks in but we will start there

Geomancer

-Similar to an earth bender. The GEO would be a high speed melee focused tank. Your abilities would protect you with stones as defensives and weaponize them for offense.
-Your long cool CD would be turning yourself into a stone golem. It would be slow moving and act as a massive shield that provides a regen while active. The golem form can be dedicated to do damage and gain a movement buff until next action to allow for positional recovery.
-Play style would be a fast lower damaging tank that uses a similar play style to MNKs old feather footwork/haymaker. You use TBNisk CDs to get reprisal damage buffs. You can also consume the shields to buff damage as well. This is how you’d scale your damage to match other tanks.
-Gauge would build of CD usage/consumption and attacks. Gauge skills would consist of damage and utility.

I’m sure I could be more exact if anyone else supports the idea.

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Originally Posted by A-Omega

Geomancer

-Similar to an earth bender. The GEO would be a high speed melee focused tank. Your abilities would protect you with stones as defensives and weaponize them for offense.
-Your long cool CD would be turning yourself into a stone golem. It would be slow moving and act as a massive shield that provides a regen while active. The golem form can be dedicated to do damage and gain a movement buff until next action to allow for positional recovery.
-Play style would be a fast lower damaging tank that uses a similar play style to MNKs old feather footwork/haymaker. You use TBNisk CDs to get reprisal damage buffs. You can also consume the shields to buff damage as well. This is how you’d scale your damage to match other tanks.
-Gauge would build of CD usage/consumption and attacks. Gauge skills would consist of damage and utility.

I’m sure I could be more exact if anyone else supports the idea.

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Ok a transformation as an invuln/ heavy damage reduction ability is really cool! I like your idea a lot.

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Originally Posted by Crafoutis

Mime! We should bring back the Mime job, but it's a tank!

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Honestly Its an interesting idea but I think players would cry how it exasperates homogenization by literally copying other skills. However if given enough creativity and thought it could make for a super fun and unique mix and match job with different build/aesthetic options. I also like the mime outfit in ff5.