Korean MMO style "current events" pop-up.

I know it sounds bad, but hear me out before judging too heavily.

I just watched a video of someone going into 7.3 alliance raid and had completely forgotten where the first part of the raid took place and had to pick up his phone to look up where this new content was happening.

And this is an issue that I come across all too often, not only with .x patches, but with moogle events and cross over events. I have to look outside the game to find the information where is the NPC giving me the event quest.

And considering patches and events are generally something that you would want to make more players to go and check out. I think it would be great to have a sort of "what's happening" window that pops up at log-in.

Obviously you should be allowed to disable that entirely if you don't want it to show up ever.

I know there is already the "recommendations" window, but that thing is barely worth looking at since it only shows whats going on in a given area.

While I am against blatant advertisement pop-ups I think it is important for the game to advertise it's own content in some way and you could have artists submit artpieces for the pop-up message for a given moogle event and it shows in-game, much like the ads on the website and launcher already have.

I dunno, I just like the sense of community it brings when the game is like; "hey go check this out, there's alot of cool prizes" and it's an easy one click to track sort of thing to see where the NPC is at. Even for things like the Alliance Raid.

Heck, I personally took a 6month break since 7.0 and when I returned and wanted to see the key features they were hidden in some nonsense areas, like the cosmic exploration quest was in Old Sharlyan of all places and I had to google to find it.

It's so unintuitive especially when you don't want to constantly check things from patch notes or from your phone in general.

It could also include you general daily list for Hunts, Roulette, Wonderous Tails etc.

The game is doing it's best to destroy worldbuillding and immersion any way possible since Endwalker, so why not. Might as well go with pop-ups.

Pop-ups are one thing sure, but there is also one thing they have never even tried implementing and it's a quest journal not just with active quests and completed quest, but also quests integrated within broader series.
For example, take the Vanadiel raids: you pick up the first quest, it shows in the journal like today, but also under a greater "folder" called Vanadiel. Once you complete the first tier, quests show as complete, but the Vanadiel category still stays active, and the next patch that introduces new content, it should be blinking with a ! or one of those green dots indicating there is new quests and content, and pointing where is the next pick up. To me it's like, basic info and usability?

Would be nice.
I recall Mabinogi having some sort of window that made it really easy to track events and such in-game.

I feel like that's close to a solution but it's too intrusive. What we need is an easy to access (see: Not buried in some weird-ass menu somewhere) module that shows/tells us what's happening in the game. Make it presentable and palpable. Example: Have a character's portrait of our choice telling us what's current, unlock more of them over time, give different skins for the portraits that are unlocked during events (so the rewards aren't uh...idk pants we'll never wear). Make it interactable - you click something, it opens the location on a map or focuses that quest for you. This way the player "initiates their own popup" when they want to, or never if they don't care to interface w/ the game in that manner.

Of course the current engine only has Windows 95 capabilities so that's a pipe dream. For now, do what they were doing in japan in 2005 and make sure you read the newspaper to see what's going on in FF14 this week!

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Originally Posted by All_Nonsense

I feel like that's close to a solution but it's too intrusive. What we need is an easy to access (see: Not buried in some weird-ass menu somewhere) module that shows/tells us what's happening in the game. Make it presentable and palpable. Example: Have a character's portrait of our choice telling us what's current, unlock more of them over time, give different skins for the portraits that are unlocked during events (so the rewards aren't uh...idk pants we'll never wear). Make it interactable - you click something, it opens the location on a map or focuses that quest for you. This way the player "initiates their own popup" when they want to, or never if they don't care to interface w/ the game in that manner.

Of course the current engine only has Windows 95 capabilities so that's a pipe dream. For now, do what they were doing in japan in 2005 and make sure you read the newspaper to see what's going on in FF14 this week!

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Okay, yea, I heard Korean-MMO and immediately started to nope out, but if it was something like this, I would actually use it a ton. I only sub once every 3 - 4 months usually for month, so I'm perpetually behind in everything, being able to see what is going on, where I can go to access 'x' and 'y' would be really good, but I don't want it popping up like a f2p game or something.

Whenever we have Mogpendium we got a small pop-up on the screen (light green iirc) I think that isn't intrusive so maybe expanding Mogpendium to show the new content could work. If not they could tie to an NPC in the city hubs, call it "Gossip collector" or "Adventuring Aide" or something. Where if you talk to them you can see the content you haven't done yet.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

Okay, yea, I heard Korean-MMO and immediately started to nope out, but if it was something like this, I would actually use it a ton. I only sub once every 3 - 4 months usually for month, so I'm perpetually behind in everything, being able to see what is going on, where I can go to access 'x' and 'y' would be really good, but I don't want it popping up like a f2p game or something.

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Was really the only way to explain the idea of the system. But just an example Monster Hunter does this in a way where-by everytime there in a larger festival in town your NPC friend is like; "Hey check this out" and there's a quick one time tutorial on what's happening, after that it only shows up if you want it to even on re--login, it's not all that intrucive, but informs the player that the event has started.

But yea in an MMO it shouldn't be a straigh-up pop-up, but we already have notifications that happen and it could be tied to those as a sort of "latest News" notif and if you press it it opens a journal type deal similar to something like V&C Dungeon journal with all the info there at hand with a press of a button. Oh want to see where the latest raid is? Here's a direct maplink and teleportation. Want to check your daily / weekly stuff it's all right there.

They could, but if you've played long enough you know they typically take the quest back to a hub such as the Waking Sands, Mor Dhona, Ishgard, Idyllshire, Kugane, Rhalgr's Reach, The Crystarium, Eulmore, Old Sharlayan, Radz-at-Han, Solution Nine or Tuliyollal. You just open your map for that expansion's two cities and look for blue quests.

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Originally Posted by MetaBoi

Whenever we have Mogpendium we got a small pop-up on the screen (light green iirc) I think that isn't intrusive so maybe expanding Mogpendium to show the new content could work. If not they could tie to an NPC in the city hubs, call it "Gossip collector" or "Adventuring Aide" or something. Where if you talk to them you can see the content you haven't done yet.

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it should be something thats readily available to you wherever you are. Needing to go to a specific NPC is the same as just going to the event NPC straight up.
Mogpendium is a pretty nice addition, expanding it coould work as well.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

They could, but if you've played long enough you know they typically take the quest back to a hub such as the Waking Sands, Mor Dhona, Ishgard, Idyllshire, Kugane, Rhalgr's Reach, The Crystarium, Eulmore, Old Sharlayan, Radz-at-Han, Solution Nine or Tuliyollal. You just open your map for that expansion's two cities and look for blue quests.

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Which is not good. Just cause you've played 10000hours and know how the devs make new content doesn't mean it's well made and you should just know to travel to all these towns. For players who take breaks and forget where they left off etc it's really unintuitive to find the new content.

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Originally Posted by Valence

Pop-ups are one thing sure, but there is also one thing they have never even tried implementing and it's a quest journal not just with active quests and completed quest, but also quests integrated within broader series.
For example, take the Vanadiel raids: you pick up the first quest, it shows in the journal like today, but also under a greater "folder" called Vanadiel. Once you complete the first tier, quests show as complete, but the Vanadiel category still stays active, and the next patch that introduces new content, it should be blinking with a ! or one of those green dots indicating there is new quests and content, and pointing where is the next pick up. To me it's like, basic info and usability?

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Well yea curretntly the journal does have "Chronicles of the new era - Echoes of Vanadiel", but as said that only gets updated when you do a quest related to it, it doesn't really help you find where the quest ended. Speak nothing of the fact that navigating the journal takes a PhD to find anything in there. So whil e it would probably be useful to have these "!" blinking icons in the journal as well, it doesn't really fix the underlying issue of showing the layer what's currently going on in the world and where to find that stuff, just due to how difficult the journal is to navigate.

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

The game is doing it's best to destroy worldbuillding and immersion any way possible since Endwalker, so why not. Might as well go with pop-ups.

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Yoou could still have it presented to you in some immersive and worldbuildy way. Like let's say the weatherkeepers started a new and improved system to bring you the latest news and it's this journal type thing that you can personally adjust if you want it to show-up on log-in, during scheduled events or only when you yourself open it and it shows things going around in the world.

Personally I think that sort of thing could actually improve the sense of community in the game when everyone sees the sort of "hot news" easily and it's at their fingertips with ease of access instead of running around town like a headless chicken finding random NPC's.

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Originally Posted by Kirutsuki

Which is not good. Just cause you've played 10000hours and know how the devs make new content doesn't mean it's well made and you should just know to travel to all these towns. For players who take breaks and forget where they left off etc it's really unintuitive to find the new content.

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What I meant is that many returning players who overall might have a tiny /playtime have done the "break and return" thing countless times and are used it. In that sense, it amounts to a new player question.

I see no reason for them not to put it in for players eligible for the newest patch content, because there are other MMORPGs that do it, but I think SE's way of doing it of "teleport to the newest city states" is workable. It becomes rather clear once you beat ARR and see blue quests all over Mor Dhona.

They do technically state the starting location in patch notes for all new quests, but a lot of people are unable to read even when the announcement is in front of them at login.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

What I meant is that many returning players who overall might have a tiny /playtime have done the "break and return" thing countless times and are used it. In that sense, it amounts to a new player question.

I see no reason for them not to put it in for players eligible for the newest patch content, because there are other MMORPGs that do it, but I think SE's way of doing it of "teleport to the newest city states" is workable. It becomes rather clear once you beat ARR and see blue quests all over Mor Dhona.

They do technically state the starting location in patch notes for all new quests, but a lot of people are unable to read even when the announcement is in front of them at login.

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Forcing players to read patch notes is exactly the issue. I know I kind of jumped ahead there, but players generally do not want to go out of the game once they log-in to see the information.

The point really isn't that "because other MMO's do it", but that it is one way to guide a player to the correct place after an update. Like I said I saw someone had literally forgotten where the latest Alliance Raid had taken place, so the only option he had was to either google where the quest left off, cause quests can end in totally random locations OR he would have been forced to go through every teleport location in Dawntrail and check the map for the blue icon. This situation directly challenges the notion that players who do the "break and return" somehow just know where to go, when they clearly don't.

And assuming that they do know where to go IS the issue. You gotta look at it from a perspective of younger players also and from those that are not so tech savvy that they understand look things up. Even if they've played alot of hours they could very well be missing key information about something new happening in the game cause the game never really tries to show the player what is happening unless you know where to look.

they should just add another tab in the quest journql for started questlines.
sorted in msq, jobquests, content quest lines, other blue quests and yellow quests.
so it shows you the next quest in line.

sure jobquests and msq already have a solution but more options are allways nice.
some people might prefer it and you could even delet that msq bar

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

They could, but if you've played long enough you know they typically take the quest back to a hub such as the Waking Sands, Mor Dhona, Ishgard, Idyllshire, Kugane, Rhalgr's Reach, The Crystarium, Eulmore, Old Sharlayan, Radz-at-Han, Solution Nine or Tuliyollal. You just open your map for that expansion's two cities and look for blue quests.

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That sure is an interesting design to count on player's years of experience to make up for the lack of pointers.

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Originally Posted by Asari5

they should just add another tab in the quest journql for started questlines.
sorted in msq, jobquests, content quest lines, other blue quests and yellow quests.
so it shows you the next quest in line.

sure jobquests and msq already have a solution but more options are allways nice.
some people might prefer it and you could even delet that msq bar

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Journal additions would help, but it wouldn't help with newly added quests all that much. Like if they add somehting entirely new and the questline starts in Solution Nine, there's still the problem of how players would find it.
But yea, it would be great for unfinished questlines or quests that get updates after a patch. And it would be a smaller fix for a larger problem.

Fun fact:

• October 2021: I first complete the Orbonne raid.
• January 2024: I finally complete the Ivalice quest line.

Back in 2021, I apparently just did not notice that the Wandering Dramaturge still had a quest marker, and because he's in the out-of-the-way airship, there was effectively nothing in the game to remind me.

Something that lists quests that I can undertake, no matter what map region they're in, would be a fine addition to the game.

Don't we already have this? It's called Recommendations. They should just expand on it and make it more useful.

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Originally Posted by Wasselin

Don't we already have this? It's called Recommendations. They should just expand on it and make it more useful.

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Well yes and I mention it in my original post, which you clearly did not read. The recommendations window just isn't useful for anything beyond what quests and fates are up in that area.
But it wont show you things beyond an area.

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Originally Posted by BunnyBrat

I'm very confused. If they forgot the story that's not on the game. Also there is an npc in jeuno that gives you lore. I'm confused at your confusion.

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You know you could have just posted a single post, isntead of 3. Anyway...

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Originally Posted by BunnyBrat

You also have a journal that summarizes the events if quests you've completed. On top of that going into a new raid and expecting to have access to information about a previous raid is effing weird. I'm not even defending square. I'm defending the ability to reason. So many of these posts are remedial.

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Your Journal is not an intuitive window to check things fast on where you need to go. Ideally you would want that info to be at your fingertips easily. Not by cycling through your journal entires to see where the quest even is in the first plase. Is it part of the side quests, or is it some of the other tabs in the journal? Maybe it's in the MSQ?
And when you finally find that it's in the Chronicles of the New Era tab, you gotta read a bunch of text to see where the quest left off and often enough it wont even tell you where the quest is at, it just tells you the location that quest happened in, but it could have left off in a different area. So now you've spent possibly 5 or more minutes just to find the relvant info you want, which means it's alot easierto just google where to go, but if you feel the need to google things, well the game is at fault.

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Originally Posted by BunnyBrat

I want to add I misread the beginning assuming they were already in the raid and wanted to know where the first part took place. The journal would have solved this issue if you didn't remember to go back to the npc in tulliyolal.

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I will actually go check in-game if the journal is helpful at all on this part...

the last quest for the alliance raid 1 is called Jeuno, it ends with the sentence;

"To pass the time, Bakool Ja Ja suggests they go on a journey, exploring the lands of Tural. The two are keen to answer the call of adventure, hopeful the experience will steel them for the battles to come."

And there is no link to where this quest is or where it would start again. You just have to remember that it ended in Tuliyolal.
So no, not even the journal would help you to find the quest location.

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Originally Posted by BunnyBrat

But where is bakool jaja?

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what does that have to do with anything?
It isn't even Bakool Ja Ja who you get the quest from. You get it from an NPC called "Landsguard Messenger" in Tuliyolal.

For all we know Bakool Ja Ja hangs around at the taco shop.

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Originally Posted by Kirutsuki

Well yes and I mention it in my original post, which you clearly did not read. The recommendations window just isn't useful for anything beyond what quests and fates are up in that area.
But it wont show you things beyond an area.

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Yes, but they shouldn't invent a new thing when the thing they have is meant to serve the same purpose but doesn't. They should fix recommendations.

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Originally Posted by BunnyBrat

Bakool Jaja is a member of the landsguard. So if you were to look for him that's the best place.

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It's actually insane to me that you think that's a good design decision for a game to make. To ask the player without even telling them to remember that Bakool Ja Ja is part of the Landsguard and that because Bakool Ja Ja is in the questline, it must mean the quest location is in the Landsguard area.

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Originally Posted by Kirutsuki

I know it sounds bad, but hear me out before judging too heavily.

I just watched a video of someone going into 7.3 alliance raid and had completely forgotten where the first part of the raid took place and had to pick up his phone to look up where this new content was happening.

And this is an issue that I come across all too often, not only with .x patches, but with moogle events and cross over events. I have to look outside the game to find the information where is the NPC giving me the event quest.

And considering patches and events are generally something that you would want to make more players to go and check out. I think it would be great to have a sort of "what's happening" window that pops up at log-in.

Obviously you should be allowed to disable that entirely if you don't want it to show up ever.

I know there is already the "recommendations" window, but that thing is barely worth looking at since it only shows whats going on in a given area.

While I am against blatant advertisement pop-ups I think it is important for the game to advertise it's own content in some way and you could have artists submit artpieces for the pop-up message for a given moogle event and it shows in-game, much like the ads on the website and launcher already have.

I dunno, I just like the sense of community it brings when the game is like; "hey go check this out, there's alot of cool prizes" and it's an easy one click to track sort of thing to see where the NPC is at. Even for things like the Alliance Raid.

Heck, I personally took a 6month break since 7.0 and when I returned and wanted to see the key features they were hidden in some nonsense areas, like the cosmic exploration quest was in Old Sharlyan of all places and I had to google to find it.

It's so unintuitive especially when you don't want to constantly check things from patch notes or from your phone in general.

It could also include you general daily list for Hunts, Roulette, Wonderous Tails etc.

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There has to be something going for that to work lol. Welcome back to FFXIV. Still the same.

Having been on a break for a few months, just playing sporadically, I have many things to catch on.
An upgrade of the recommendation tool would be greatly appreciated!

As someone who plays a lot of mobile games I really don't want to see any more pop ups in games.

However, I do agree that the small message in the chat window with a short "oh btw this is a thing kthxbye" is not sufficient. I don't know what a good middle ground would be. I like Valence's idea of utilizing the journal for stuff like raid series, but imho it would be a bit much for seasonal events. Maybe just a Moogle Mail with the NPC coordinates and questname, signaled by a blinking icon in the corner? We already have blinking letter icons for GM messages and store stuff, might as well make a yellow or green one for seasonal events.

Making the recommendation window anything that's worth paying attention to might also be a good idea, although I disable this fast as soon as I am done with my hunting log in ARR areas for a new job, because I really don't need a list for FATEs and stuff, so I might miss out on stuff regardless... But that's a "me" issue.