The "join duty in progress" change is ridiculous.

I understand that the intention is to allow players to experience a piece of content fully the first time and not, say, be dropped in halfway through a dungeon. But the problem is this has been haphazardly applied to everything, and that makes no sense.

Raids and trials are just a singular boss. It makes no sense to apply this to those. You are not missing out on literally anything by joining in late on a trial or raid. I only learned about this change through another player because some idiot crybaby ragequit after ONE wipe on day 1 of the patch on the trial. This makes it so much harder to refill a group when someone does this.

On top of all that, this is an option you have to voluntarily toggle in the Duty Finder settings. You accept the possibility that you could be dropped into the middle of a dungeon. If you are going through new content and you don't want that to happen, you could simply turn that off or only do it through Trusts until you've completed the new content. I don't really understand the purpose of forcing this on people when queueing for duties in progress was already not forced on anyone.

If you're really going to stick with this change, at least still allow people to late join on a trial or raid even if they haven't completed it before.

Why would you ever want to join halfway through a duty you've never done before? This is an incredibly reasonable change to make.

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Originally Posted by Underscore

Why would you ever want to join halfway through a duty you've never done before? This is an incredibly reasonable change to make.

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As I already said, this is an option you have to toggle on. It's off by default.
For those who care about it, you can toggle it off for patch day, do the content, and toggle it back on after you're done.
For those who don't care, you just leave it on and don't care.

Who is this for? This helps literally no one. I don't imagine anyone who cares about doing the content from the beginning would be so lazy as to not be able to simply untick a box.

Also you didn't say anything about what I mentioned of removing this from trials and raids, because they really should do that at the very least.

Are they afraid people are going to skip half of their new content by queuing up "in progress" or something?

I had the same issue yesterday. Joined the new trial 4 minutes after it started, to find two tanks and 2 DPS had ragequit. We managed to fill DPS but not tanks, we waited for like 5 minutes. One of the DPS left and came back as a tank, it took two more minutes to find a new DPS and a second tank who had cleared it. It was slightly inconvenient, and it will be for as long as people are not done with the new content that released two days ago, but in the grand scheme of things I'm sure this change will be benefic to people like me who had this option ticked forever and often forget to untick it, haha.

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Originally Posted by Underscore

Why would you ever want to join halfway through a duty you've never done before? This is an incredibly reasonable change to make.

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How is this a positive change or reasonable?

- You alone OPT to join duty in progress, nobody else. With these changes, this is basically nullified.

Joining in progress is sometimes very meaningful as then you can finish MSQ faster and don't stress with entire boring dungeon which is one corridor copy/paste thing (who would have thought!). Even joining late alliance raids where they are at last boss is very helpful.

You will also redo this dungeon plenty times in the future due to how expert duty and others work. So don't worry about skipping a corridor dungeon.

Making these changes means that worlds that are dying will now suffer even more. Specially Chaos data center.

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Originally Posted by Bibine_Bine

As I already said, this is an option you have to toggle on. It's off by default.
For those who care about it, you can toggle it off for patch day, do the content, and toggle it back on after you're done.
For those who don't care, you just leave it on and don't care.

Who is this for? This helps literally no one. I don't imagine anyone who cares about doing the content from the beginning would be so lazy as to not be able to simply untick a box.

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I imagine it's for people who keep the 'Join duty in progress' option on by default and may forget to disable it when queuing into new content.

Those are the people who would benefit from this change. Not having this feature disabled for all first-time duties wouldn't help anyone, except for maybe people skipping through the story to level alt characters - but given how long it would take to do that without a cash shop skip anyway, the time saved from joining halfway through a trial/raid would be negligible. The positives of this change far outweigh any potential negatives imo.

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Originally Posted by Underscore

Why would you ever want to join halfway through a duty you've never done before? This is an incredibly reasonable change to make.

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Reading comprehension fail
There is 0 difference in joining midway for a trial or raid or joining fresh, other than chat being mildly annoyed at someone leaving

Also, this is an opt in feature, a new player will almost certainly never enable it

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Originally Posted by Underscore

I imagine it's for people who keep the 'Join duty in progress' option on by default and may forget to disable it when queuing into new content.

Those are the people who would benefit from this change. Not having this feature disabled for all first-time duties wouldn't help anyone, except for maybe people skipping through the story to level alt characters - but given how long it would take to do that without a cash shop skip anyway, the time saved from joining halfway through a trial/raid would be negligible. The positives of this change far outweigh any potential negatives imo.

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You also have the option to decline a "duty in progress" party when the duty pops. Granted, you may suffer a penalty, but the option is there.

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

Reading comprehension fail
There is 0 difference in joining midway for a trial or raid or joining fresh, other than chat being mildly annoyed at someone leaving

Also, this is an opt in feature, a new player will almost certainly never enable it

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There is a difference. If you join halfway through a trial or raid, you will miss the first half of that trial or raid. New players do in fact do roulettes before they are fully caught up, but this isn't exclusively about them anyway because this game is updated with new duties every major patch for endgame players to enjoy.

Joining first time in-progress is good for alt characters, but for your first character it rather ruins the experience. Not everyone cares about the experience, but the change makes sense overall.

I like to join duty in progress and help noobs win.

Oh it's a toggle? Nice. When it first was described, I thought it was a permanent change.

I don't really see an issue if it's opt-in and something you need to turn on. Can just leave it off to be able to join in progress as normal. I prefer that on my alts. And I have a very fond memory of week 1 of Dun Scaith. Because of join in progress, I ended up running that raid backwards. First an instance with the final boss, then one at third, then one at second, and finally one at the beginning. Rather than spoil my experience, it's been something I think back on and laugh about because it was so random that my sequential runs managed to stay in perfect backwards procession like that.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Oh it's a toggle? Nice. When it first was described, I thought it was a permanent change.

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they're saying in-progress queue is a toggle. not being able to join in-progress in content you haven't done before is not a toggle, that's a permanent change.

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Originally Posted by Underscore

There is a difference. If you join halfway through a trial or raid, you will miss the first half of that trial or raid. New players do in fact do roulettes before they are fully caught up, but this isn't exclusively about them anyway because this game is updated with new duties every major patch for endgame players to enjoy.

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No there isn't, trials and raids are binary things, either cleared or uncleare. What you meant to say was alliance raids, which is not what the other poster was referring to.
Normal raids and trials have zero reason to have this functionality forcibly on, this is just another case of the laziest possible implementation of something being the one they chose.

Aren't there some Trials that have a second phase where you restart at the second phase instead of from the beginning if you wipe? Or is that only in the extreme version?

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Originally Posted by ACE135

Aren't there some Trials that have a second phase where you restart at the second phase instead of from the beginning if you wipe? Or is that only in the extreme version?

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It's usually normal modes. Often Extremes either wouldn't hold your hand that much or they'd flat out begin from second phase.

They could make an additional check box under "Join Party in Progress" that says "Enable joining party in progress for duties yet to be completed for the first time" and it can be off by default.

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Originally Posted by Va_L

No there isn't, trials and raids are binary things, either cleared or uncleare.

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Not entirely; the Alexander raids exist, as well as trials with checkpoints like SoS.

Regardless, this feature should have a toggle.

i wonder what that means for an alt with story skip. is the roulette just locked if you have it unlocked but didnt do any of the instances?

a lot of extra work on alts since you have to queue for any content on its own

i would hate to join in progress on my main... but its kinda bad if youre an alt-player

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Originally Posted by Va_L

No there isn't, trials and raids are binary things, either cleared or uncleare. What you meant to say was alliance raids, which is not what the other poster was referring to.
Normal raids and trials have zero reason to have this functionality forcibly on, this is just another case of the laziest possible implementation of something being the one they chose.

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Things happen in trials and raids. The bosses don't simply stand there completely stationary as the players acknowledge what they look like and then kill them. The boss and players engage in combat, during which the boss uses various attacks and mechanics which are challenges for the players to overcome. Sometimes they have multiple phases, cutscenes and arena changes which are designed to be visual spectacles for the players to enjoy as they progress through the story. There is more to these gameplay activities than seeing what the boss looks like at the end of the fight.

The opposition to this change is bizarre. Does occasionally taking a few minutes longer to clear a main scenario duty while levelling an alt character bother you guys that much?