AFK Autologout needs to come back in some degree

They really need to bring it back. There are plenty of times I can't get onto some servers due to congestion, even at "off" times. Plenty of people just AFK in Limsa or wherever and hog server space. It would be a good idea to bring it back, but maybe longer than 30 mins. It was pretty bad when Endwalker came out, largely due to the queue times. Dawntrail on the other hand, on my server at the time of release I didn't spend more than 5-10 minutes in queue. 30 minutes makes sense in that situation, but in general it should be a 1-2 hour logout.

inb4 controller players rubber band their sticks together

I'm sure players were able to circumvent it through other means
but yeah, Balmung has been congested for weeks which can be a little annoying when you're trying to get cheap items off the market
Though I had even heard Mateus was congested the other day as well

I don't think the auto logout would really change the congested worlds much. There's a reason those worlds are congested. RP, raiding or hunts are common ones.

I don't think rubber bands work, I think your input needs to change to not get logged out.


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The game has fewer players than it did on Shb launch and we have a lot more servers than we did back then. The chances of your server having been at capacity recently are legitimately 0.0%.

You were almost certainly just trying to log in at the same time as a hunt train was starting on your server, so the server was processing a lot of logins at the same time.

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Originally Posted by tatezanamatsu

They really need to bring it back. There are plenty of times I can't get onto some servers due to congestion, even at "off" times. Plenty of people just AFK in Limsa or wherever and hog server space. It would be a good idea to bring it back, but maybe longer than 30 mins. It was pretty bad when Endwalker came out, largely due to the queue times. Dawntrail on the other hand, on my server at the time of release I didn't spend more than 5-10 minutes in queue. 30 minutes makes sense in that situation, but in general it should be a 1-2 hour logout.

inb4 controller players rubber band their sticks together

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The server isnt congested, the login server is just slow.

The fact people still believe the servers are "close to capacity" and "congested" and that somehow the playerbase is at fault is hilarious

Those are the same servers that back when the big exodus happened, barely had any queues outside of certain times, now we have 1/3rd of that playerbase, and somehow the servers are "at capacity and congested"

Typical FFXIV community, believing anything it sees from SE at face value

Weird how when we had triple the playerbase the servers had 0 issues, and were never congested, but now its a big problem with barely 1/3rd of players, hmm.....

ýa, theres no congestion. No auto-logout needed

The biggest elephant in the room is bots.

They consumes a lot of server resources, they worsen economy, gives net loss to S-E and they even worsen a dungeon group experience sometimes.

So, just ban the bots and fill lawsuits against RMT sellers.

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

The biggest elephant in the room is bots.

They consumes a lot of server resources, they worsen economy, gives net loss to S-E and they even worsen a dungeon group experience sometimes.

So, just ban the bots and fill lawsuits against RMT sellers.

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The biggest elephant in the room is SE pretending the servers are full when we have 1/3rd of the playerbase we had before and that with absolutely no issues at all, while now apparently it's a "massive problem" and "the servers are at capacity"

Also bots are literally in any MMO that has ever existed, there's no getting rid of them, this isnt only in FFXIV, this is in any game that has any multiplayer.

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Originally Posted by tatezanamatsu

They really need to bring it back. There are plenty of times I can't get onto some servers due to congestion, even at "off" times. Plenty of people just AFK in Limsa or wherever and hog server space. It would be a good idea to bring it back, but maybe longer than 30 mins. It was pretty bad when Endwalker came out, largely due to the queue times. Dawntrail on the other hand, on my server at the time of release I didn't spend more than 5-10 minutes in queue. 30 minutes makes sense in that situation, but in general it should be a 1-2 hour logout.

inb4 controller players rubber band their sticks together

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Why its so easy to by pass even on just keyboard by setting up a macro, or just find a corner some where and autorun into it lol

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Originally Posted by SophiaDL

The biggest elephant in the room is SE pretending the servers are full when we have 1/3rd of the playerbase we had before and that with absolutely no issues at all, while now apparently it's a "massive problem" and "the servers are at capacity"

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Exactly this. They even posted with 7.1 how Standard and Congested worlds have greatly reduced slots for world visits.
This is by design. Its not congestion, its artificial population control done for little to no reason that only serves to frustrate players with literally no benefits.

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

The biggest elephant in the room is bots.

They consumes a lot of server resources, they worsen economy, gives net loss to S-E and they even worsen a dungeon group experience sometimes.

So, just ban the bots and fill lawsuits against RMT sellers.

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this is an ongoing battle with bots and RMT since 2000 FFXI online days.

Do you want more bards playing random midi tracks in Limsa for 10+ hours? Cause that's how you get more of those.

It is awfully weird seeing people afk in one spot for multiple days.

They need to have more GM's in the cities waiting for the bots to appear to ban them on the spot, it's easy to spot the bots and the GM's have access to the tools that let them see the bot's activity history to differentiate from legit players. Then have more GM's go to all other places like MSQ quest locations and ban more bots too.

A better solution would be make the game fun, so less people log in to afk.

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Originally Posted by Rithy255

A better solution would be make the game fun, so less people log in to afk.

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Why would they do that when people will stay subbed for, and vehemently defend, slop?

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Originally Posted by Saraide

The server isnt congested, the login server is just slow.

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This. The login server waits until 100 spots are open on the world server, then pops a batch of 100 people from the login queue, and it takes about 1 minute and 20 seconds to log these 100 people in because the login server only handles 75 people per minute.

See Endwalker news post:
12/07/2021 2:25 AM
World Login Errors and Resolutions

I agree that it's log in server related, not number of on-line players.

Which actually leads to a different conclusion imo - the log-in server is likely under constant DDoS, with more popular data centers / worlds being the higher priority targets as they will cheese off more players.

Personally I think that between the Free to Play & the lack of enforcement on use of mods or "plug-ins" there are multiple vectors open for DDoS attacks. It's a given that mods can create a security hole, anyone logging in through a 3rd party program - risks exposing their account information (and more) is not secure, period.

FF XIV has the worst enforcement of their own EULA of any MMO I've personally played.

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Originally Posted by Rinoa_353

They need to have more GM's in the cities waiting for the bots to appear to ban them on the spot, it's easy to spot the bots and the GM's have access to the tools that let them see the bot's activity history to differentiate from legit players. Then have more GM's go to all other places like MSQ quest locations and ban more bots too.

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They don't even need GMs for that purpose. I keep saying that coding in an instant disconnect and 30 minute ban for any player detected -x criteria under the map, followed by a permanent ban for the second offense should be a no-brainer, and i keep getting shouted down by useful idiots asking "what if someone accidentally clips down there?"

As if that happens just all the time. I can count on zero fingers the number of times I've fallen below the gods damned geometry, and thats what the 30 minute cooldown is for.

Dont do that again.

In any case, a similar computer solution is obviously to just start a timer on afk status. I don't know why thats hard either.

Spoilers its fake congestion to make you think the server has more people than it actually has.

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Originally Posted by BigCheez

The game has fewer players than it did on Shb launch and we have a lot more servers than we did back then. The chances of your server having been at capacity recently are legitimately 0.0%.

You were almost certainly just trying to log in at the same time as a hunt train was starting on your server, so the server was processing a lot of logins at the same time.

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Today, at noon time on Mateus, on a weekday, there was a queue. It wasn't a LONG queue but it was a queue. So no, you're wrong.

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Originally Posted by Bibine_Bine

Today, at noon time on Mateus, on a weekday, there was a queue. It wasn't a LONG queue but it was a queue. So no, you're wrong.

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There has not been a single time since the launch of Dawntrizzle where I logged right in and didn't at least get auto-delayed for... some reason.

And I'm on dynamis.

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Originally Posted by Bibine_Bine

Today, at noon time on Mateus, on a weekday, there was a queue. It wasn't a LONG queue but it was a queue. So no, you're wrong.

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That queue on login exists as something of a DDoS protection. I think I've only ever not gotten that queue logging in at some godforsken hour in the morning, normally it's 10-15 people and at busier times 20-30. It does mean people are logging into their characters at that time, but not that the world is actually congested. The only ways to tell if the world is actually congested is to DC transfer and see the list (Aether is frequently full except for a couple worlds, I've heard from other people that Balmung and Mateus tend to fill up there), or to world transfer at an aetheryte and see how long the wait is (or I guess if it doesn't allow you to transfer, I've heard people say Mateus sometimes won't allow an intra-DC transfer from players on Couerl, don't know if they received a message or if the wait was just long).

As to the topic, it probably would help some of the fuller world's congestion if people who are on an extended AFK got the boot, but the only people entitled to be on those worlds are the residents and I don't think the congestion stops them from logging in.

ETA: I can tell that Crystal has fewer people playing on it recently. Duty Finder queue times are longer and PF is a ghost town at off hours when it didn't used to be, but I'm guessing that's partly people buggering off to Aether and then not coming back plus just a general downturn in players since Dawntrail came out.