Any Word on Bad Hrothgal Armor Rigging?

I know it's been mentioned before, I know some people don't mind it, and I know it's unlikely to ever get addressed, but currently on some hopium that maybe I missed some discussion on it or at least some acknowledgement about how atrocious the chest and arm gear looks on hrothgals cause of the shitty rigging? I mean most glamours look so fucking bad that I quite literally find that it makes them unplayable for me, even the NPC hrothgals around Tural look ridiculous if they're wearing any kind of armor, like it's so blatantly obvious how ridiculous it looks that I'm dumbfounded it exists as it does still....

So, yeah, any word from any devs or something on this? Even if they confirmed that it was intentional to ruin them like this it would at least be enough for me to stop hoping for a fucking fix.

I think everyone is just sitting waiting for the next Live Letter in regards to a lot of these problems.

Though honestly, if mHroth and Viera haven't heard anything about headwear for this long, the changes of fHroth getting anything is slim to zero.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

Though honestly, if mHroth and Viera haven't heard anything about headwear for this long, the changes of fHroth getting anything is slim to zero.

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That's my main fear as well as my expectations.....

The one saving grace in my hopium fueled head is that when it comes to the headgear thing they've always said "it's a resources/limitations of the system" thing, despite modders being able to do it seemingly fairly easily, where as in this case it clearly looks like a fucking bug, the armor just doesn't fit and it's not cause of some limitations in capabilities or w/e, it's just a scaling/rigging mistake that has annoyed a fair amount of people.

But again they might just say "intentional" to avoid having to actually put time and effort into fixing it, if they even ever acknowledge it, hoping they do cause they have with the hats thing, their responses have all been awful on that subject but again just hoping if they commented on that then they should comment on this...... you'd think at least.

My alt is a hrothgal and it's awful how many pieces of glamour I can't use because they look absurd. It's already bad enough they can't wear hats, but chest and arm gear doesn't even fit. Completely unfinished.

The next letter is going to be spicy that's for sure

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Originally Posted by Emitans

My alt is a hrothgal and it's awful how many pieces of glamour I can't use because they look absurd. It's already bad enough they can't wear hats, but chest and arm gear doesn't even fit. Completely unfinished.

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I'm not sure I'd consider this "unfinished," which kind of makes it even worse, cause it feels like they did "finish" it, they just did a shitty job and either didn't actually QC their work or saw this awful shit and just shrugged it off as being done..... if it just wasn't completed that would honestly be better cause then we could expect them to actually complete their work.

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Originally Posted by Garruss

The next letter is going to be spicy that's for sure

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I hope so, but there's a part of me that expects the live letter to NOT be spicy which will cause the forums to become spicy in response lol

I havent played a female hrothgar, and i havent payed close enough attention to the npc's to notice any bad rigging on them.

Does anyone have any screenshots showing some examples of the bad rigging? Or any specific pieces of gear i can try on to see how bad it is?
I know standards are pretty low for viera and hrothgar, but i'm curious just how bad they messed this up..

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Originally Posted by Cinno

I havent played a female hrothgar, and i havent payed close enough attention to the npc's to notice any bad rigging on them.

Does anyone have any screenshots showing some examples of the bad rigging? Or any specific pieces of gear i can try on to see how bad it is?
I know standards are pretty low for viera and hrothgar, but i'm curious just how bad they messed this up..

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I'm not on my personal computer so I don't have any of the screenshots I've taken atm, can offer those later, but a good example is Rral Soj from the metalworking deliveries quest chain for Wachumeqimeqi. She has on the Blacksmithing chest piece which is mostly just a chest wrap then her arms have on these MASSIVE oversized bands around her biceps and even her gauntlets poof out to match the size of those armbands despite them being so much larger then her arms, to the degree that you can actually see the "unused grey texture" linking those bands to her arms since they don't fit otherwise.

Again I can offer screens later, but you can go check her out. You could probably also google it and find a bunch of examples, I know Reddit has had several posts with screens a while back.

EDIT: Also a set to get a good view of how ridiculous it can be would be Clive's armor, forget the name of it atm, but try that on a hrothgal and you'll see the issue with the arms and shoulders.

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Originally Posted by Cinno

I havent played a female hrothgar, and i havent payed close enough attention to the npc's to notice any bad rigging on them.

Does anyone have any screenshots showing some examples of the bad rigging? Or any specific pieces of gear i can try on to see how bad it is?
I know standards are pretty low for viera and hrothgar, but i'm curious just how bad they messed this up..

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Here's a thread: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...gging-problems

https://i.postimg.cc/5NRCKj6T/hroth-tumor.png

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Originally Posted by Garruss

The next letter is going to be spicy that's for sure

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That's giving them too much credits, they might throw us a bone and give us more glamour dresser space but there is now way they're gonna address any controverted points likes the poor quality of the msq writing or the horrendous EN VA of the one we shall not say the name.

I really wish I took screenshots when I was femhroth. I tried really hard to stick it out, but half of my glam items with sleeves were unusable due to how oversized/generally wonky they looked. It sucks because I loved my girl, I loved her base model, but when half of my glams just don’t work because the pieces are broken…

I think what sucks the most is that bunn bois got their atrocious posture fixed immediately because it was evident thanks to the benchmark gear set previews, but with Hrothgals most of those same gear sets actually look good on them (on account that most either already had big shoulderpads, or were sleeveless), so it went over everyone's head and now may be "too late" to fix it.

What's interesting is it doesn't impact every piece of armor. Therefore, it must be some programming bug.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I think what sucks the most is that bunn bois got their atrocious posture fixed immediately because it was evident thanks to the benchmark gear set previews, but with Hrothgals most of those same gear sets actually look good on them (on account that most either already had big shoulderpads, or were sleeveless), so it went over everyone's head and now may be "too late" to fix it.

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Something weird is that they managed to screw up the armbands on the racial set between the reveal trailer and the benchmark. The thread I linked has a comparison, but they went from snug to oversized and floating.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6551754

https://i.imgur.com/ZeKhU3Y.png

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Originally Posted by flipwizardmagoo

I really wish I took screenshots when I was femhroth. I tried really hard to stick it out, but half of my glam items with sleeves were unusable due to how oversized/generally wonky they looked. It sucks because I loved my girl, I loved her base model, but when half of my glams just don’t work because the pieces are broken…

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Same! I actually did the entire MSQ as Hrothgal, did it as GNB, both cause I normally would do MSQ as DRK but it's still in such an awful state and GNB got Lionheart, but also cause the lvl 90 job set looks decent on them, still oversized but it was always a thin set to begin with, and she looked great! Animated well, had a unique look to her, loved the voice options and emotes, and so on. But like you the fact I couldn't use any other glamour ruined it for me, had to swap back only a day after finishing MSQ....

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Something weird is that they managed to screw up the armbands on the racial set between the reveal trailer and the benchmark. The thread I linked has a comparison, but they went from snug to oversized and floating.

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Well shit, I didn't even notice previously good sets were ruined somehow! I thought those were still examples of sets that looked good, but honestly the fact they somehow messed it up actually makes me more hopeful that they'll have to at least acknowledge it, still on the fence if they'll ever actually fix it, but at least making note of it at some point would be a nice change of pace on this subject......

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

What's interesting is it doesn't impact every piece of armor. Therefore, it must be some programming bug.

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Yeah, I've noticed more recent stuff doesn't tend to have as many issues. My glams that originate from Shb onwards work totally fine. It's stuff from SB and older that I have way more issues.

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Originally Posted by angienessyo

Yeah, I've noticed more recent stuff doesn't tend to have as many issues. My glams that originate from Shb onwards work totally fine. It's stuff from SB and older that I have way more issues.

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Might just be coincidence of which sets we prefer/use, but I rarely use anything from before ShB due to graphical fidelity differences, and just about everything still suffered the same issues, I mean even the new Fending and tank job sets from DT had the same problems, I really don't think it's a question of which expansion it came from.

I think it depends on the gear itself. Those tropical shirts from island factory sanctuary look so big you'd think they just copy-pasted the male Hroth model, and those came out mid to late EW if I recall.

I looked at some glam the other day and thought to compare the size of sleeves vs. the actual width of my character's arms, if anyone is interested.
https://i.imgur.com/IkXyArC.png

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Originally Posted by Picothea

I looked at some glam the other day and thought to compare the size of sleeves vs. the actual width of my character's arms, if anyone is interested.

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It's kinda crazy how ill-fitting it all is, even the thinner/tighter clothing doesn't fit properly....

I really fucking hope they address this.

Cut the 10-yen indie company some slack. They barely have two devs to handle all this load.

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

They barely have two devs to handle all this load.

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If they're still putting out brand new helmets and hats that viera and hrothgar can't wear, I doubt they will do anything to fix this anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by CamuiKushi

If they're still putting out brand new helmets and hats that viera and hrothgar can't wear, I doubt they will do anything to fix this anytime soon.

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The only saving grace against that, imo, is that they've buckled down on why they don't want to make hats compatible, it's stupid and basically just outright wrong, but in so continuing in such a manner they are just standing by their dumb excuses on the matter.

This issue with Hrothgal armor however just looks downright awful, like "must be a bug" awful, actually broken coding awful, so hopefully they don't just stand by it as "intentional" cause of how incompetent that would make them look, and if they don't then there's a chance they might actually fix it. But ofc there is always the chance they do just say "intentional" and take the hit of lost confidence again in order to save money and manpower..... Would rather believe the former, personally.

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Originally Posted by CamuiKushi

If they're still putting out brand new helmets and hats that viera and hrothgar can't wear, I doubt they will do anything to fix this anytime soon.

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To be fair, Dawntrail also has a lot of surprisingly good hrothgar and viera-compatible hats. I still believe it can be expanded on in time, even if the present situation is disappointing.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

No idea if they're going to fix it, or even acknowledge it.

What really sucks is that this whole fiasco cost me *two* Fantasias (one going from miqo'te to hrothgar, and then back again) because some of the armor hit the hardest by this was the various PVP sets, of which makes a bulk of my glams, which made being a female hrothgar literally intolerable.

All of that goddamn waiting just for them to end up with *more* issues than even male hrothgar and viera did. How the hell do you *regress* with all of those years to work on it?

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Probably for the same reason that DRK is now years behind the other three tanks; General ignorance of the problems at hand... if I had to guess.

And yeah I wasted three Fantasia, went from Miqo to Hrothgal, then to Au Ra, then finally back to Miqo, but the third one was of my own fault for wanting to try something new instead of just "giving up" due to them fucking up the armor lol

"Literally intolerable" is a good way of describing this issue though, perfect in fact.

I'm happy I tend to wear armor that is sleeveless or hasn't been impacted.

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Originally Posted by VicariousXIV

The only saving grace against that, imo, is that they've buckled down on why they don't want to make hats compatible, it's stupid and basically just outright wrong, but in so continuing in such a manner they are just standing by their dumb excuses on the matter.

This issue with Hrothgal armor however just looks downright awful, like "must be a bug" awful, actually broken coding awful, so hopefully they don't just stand by it as "intentional" cause of how incompetent that would make them look, and if they don't then there's a chance they might actually fix it. But ofc there is always the chance they do just say "intentional" and take the hit of lost confidence again in order to save money and manpower..... Would rather believe the former, personally.

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People made bug reports about the scaling during early access and they got dismissed as not having sufficient information.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I think what sucks the most is that bunn bois got their atrocious posture fixed immediately because it was evident thanks to the benchmark gear set previews, but with Hrothgals most of those same gear sets actually look good on them (on account that most either already had big shoulderpads, or were sleeveless), so it went over everyone's head and now may be "too late" to fix it.

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Tell that to the male Hrothgar who never had their own posture fixed even though only a minority of Orc lovers think it looks fine.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

People made bug reports about the scaling during early access and they got dismissed as not having sufficient information.

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Well they most certainly do now, whether they have the decency to actually admit that or they decide to once more buckle down on ignorance for the sake of money is what I'm unsure of.

They've admit mistakes and fixed them before, it's more rare then them choosing to wallow in ignorance, but it does happen, hopefully this is one of those cases.