It feels like we keep getting lied to for this expansion by YoshiP.

With the recent Viper knee-jerk change, it has occurred to me that YoshiP seems to keep lying to us.

He said that Dawntrail will finally return "more individuality" to the MMO's jobs, admitting "we're not in a good situation for that" after years of over-simplification... but we got 4 healers who play similarly, 4 tanks who are pretty close, and now Viper just got simplified and gameplay changed after a month.

Simplification

YoshiP said that Krile would play an active role in the DT MSQ, but she only really had a role at the start and a bit at the end of the story while the rest was all about Wuk Lamat.

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Gameplaywise, I'm pretty sure he said something about the boss sizes. The Savage bosses are at least smaller than EX1+2, but boy were the bosses for Ex1+2 HUGE.

It makes me worry about the new Eureka/Bozja zone. It also makes me worry about Beastmaster, especially because I keep thinking it'll turn out like the Morpher from FFTA w/ the soul system. It also makes me a bit depressed that no matter what we say or do, he'll ignore everyone but the content creators and the Japanese playerbase.

I'm surprised anybody would even take his word at face value lol? It's obvious YoshiP talks PR nonstop and people just chug it down like some sort of miracle water.

Not that I think he was doing a great job before, but I really think he started delegating his FFXIV duties a lot more in the past few years. He's the big boss and he's the face, but a lot of what he says feel like internal miscommunications.

For the first part, in the interview with Yoshi-P that you linked, he literally says they're looking to diversify jobs a bit more in "Patch 7.2 and beyond." We're in Patch 7.05 as of this morning. I don't see the "lie" yet...

For the second part, Krile definitely played an active role in the MSQ. She was part of the team the entire journey and was one of the two main "side-stories" alongside Erenville. It may not have been to the level you either wanted or had come to expect in your head, but it doesn't change that she was an active part of the story.

Oh there's definitely lying, since they just gutted viper. Go figure. If a job that had a unique combo structure got changed less than a month after release, we see how "committed" they are to making jobs feel unique. Also they removed the poison from the snake job.

>Active part of the story.
>She doesn't do nothing from the 90 to 95 MSQ.
>She doesn't even open the Golden city portal.
>Her interaction with their parents is just a fade to black cutscene.

He was pretty clear that job individuality would be in 8.0, not in 7.0. He also publically denied that he said what gamesradar said he did, and that they mistranslated it.

He could have just meant Krile played the role that she did, not that it was all about her. It was pretty obvious it was all about Wuk Lamat prior to the expansion.

As for Beastmaster, I suggest that you don't expect much for it. Their implementations of various jobs could have been as ambitious as FF11, but they generally aren't. It'll probably just be a "beast book" instead of a "spell book" and not be much more complicated than that. It could be more complicated, but SE isn't realistically gonna make it that complex are they?

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

He was pretty clear that job individuality would be in 8.0, not in 7.0. He also publically denied that he said what gamesradar said he did, and that they mistranslated it.

He could have jsut meant Krile played the role that she did, not that it was all about her. It was pretty obvious it was all about Wuk Lamat prior to the expansion.

As for Beastmaster, I suggest that you don't expect much for it. Their implementations of various jobs could have been as ambitious as FF11, but they generally aren't. It'll probably just be a "beast book" instead of a "spell book" and not be much more complicated than that. It could be more complicated, but SE isn't realistically gonna make it that complex are they?

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I'm expecting BLU with an axe. If it's anything more than that, it'll be a pleasant surprise.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

He could have just meant Krile played the role that she did, not that it was all about her. It was pretty obvious it was all about Wuk Lamat prior to the expansion.

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What? No it wasn't. We met Wuk Lamat in 6.55 (leg reveal in 6.5), and before that we had NO IDEA what would make us go to Tural. She only appears at the very end of the trailers, and every interview, promotional material and things said about the expansion story were about the WoL going to Tural on a "low stakes, summer vacation-like expansion", Erenville would be there, and that the Scions would be against eachother.

The only thing that ever points at being about Wuk Lamat is the launch trailer, and even that they only focus on showing her for the first part and the becoming Dawnservant thing.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

I'm expecting BLU with an axe. If it's anything more than that, it'll be a present surprise.

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After playing some ff11 last night on beastmaster I don't have high hopes it will be anything like ff11 beastmaster and just a reskinned ff14 blue mage with either a axe and shield or an axe.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

For the first part, in the interview with Yoshi-P that you linked, he literally says they're looking to diversify jobs a bit more in "Patch 7.2 and beyond." We're in Patch 7.05 as of this morning. I don't see the "lie" yet...

For the second part, Krile definitely played an active role in the MSQ. She was part of the team the entire journey and was one of the two main "side-stories" alongside Erenville. It may not have been to the level you either wanted or had come to expect in your head, but it doesn't change that she was an active part of the story.

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Krile hardly played an active role in the 2nd half when they heavily advertised she was going to get heavy focus in dawntrail alongside g'raha throughout the story. All we got was a few snippets of her saying things and a few small scenes with her parents and a tiny bit of her origins and that was it then she was sidelined for wuk lamat because she had to insert herself in kriles important scenes.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

Krile hardly played an active role in the 2nd half when they heavily advertised she was going to get heave focus in dawntrail alongside g'raha throughout the story. All we got was a few snippets of her saying things and a few small scenes with her parents and a tiny bit of her origins and that was it then she was sidelined for wuk lamat because she had to insert herself in kriles important scenes.

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Krile was truly one of the characters of the MSQ.

https://i.imgur.com/0MGKpeC.jpeg

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Krile was truly one of the characters of the MSQ.

https://i.imgur.com/0MGKpeC.jpeg

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I feel krile still should have got more importance in the story then what she got but instead we got wuk lamat as the main character of the expansion and getting 60% of the overall dialog.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Krile was truly one of the characters of the MSQ.

https://i.imgur.com/0MGKpeC.jpeg

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It's funny looking at this and then the Dawntrail official poster.
Krile has not a lot more lines than G'raha, who isn't in the poster, but Urianger and Thancred are!

"Oh but they're focusing on the candidates of the Rite!" ...yet Bakool Ja Ja also isn't there.

And after playing through the story, I kinda feel Sphene feels out of place there, too.

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Originally Posted by koko-on-da-forumz

Not that I think he was doing a great job before, but I really think he started delegating his FFXIV duties a lot more in the past few years. He's the big boss and he's the face, but a lot of what he says feel like internal miscommunications.

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He isn't even watching what the job design team is doing to his precious BLM anymore it seems.

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Originally Posted by chizLemons

What? No it wasn't. We met Wuk Lamat in 6.55 (leg reveal in 6.5)

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Right, and she said in 6.55 we would be going to help her win a contest against several candidates, one of whom wanted to wage war. That made it... pretty clear it was all about helping her win and that we would be spending much of the expansion doing that one thing.

They also had us search a library to find out about a beast called Valigarmanda and she mentioned the contest would involve this legendary beast (beside it being in the promotional material as a boss). All of this indicated, that this contest we're helping Wuk Lamat with would be the lion's share of the expansion.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Right, and she said in 6.55 we would be going to help her win a contest against several candidates, one of whom wanted to wage war. That made it... pretty clear it was all about helping her win and that we would be spending much of the expansion doing that one thing.

They also had us search a library to find out about a beast called Valigarmanda and she mentioned the contest would involve this legendary beast (beside it being in the promotional material as a boss). All of this indicated, that this contest we're helping Wuk Lamat with would be the lion's share of the expansion.

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So the only thing that made it clear prior to the expansion for you was the patch content, regardless of everything that was said during the media tours, fanfests, keynotes, liveletters and interviews about Dawntrail, which we whad been anticipating way before 6.55.
Still, even if we just consider the patch, it made it clear that she was the motivation for us to go to Tural, yes. We could also safely assume we would be helping her with that for the first half, even...but no, it doesn't make it clear it's going to be all about her, nor that she would take the spotlight for ALL of it, especially because we also had parts of Krie finding the letter with the earring, meaning she was also interested in what was going there and was going to be involved - which also implies that she would play an important role, and that was confirmed by YoshiP saying she was going to have an active role.

Funny thing about the Valigarmanda also was that we only had to fight it because Bakool Ja Ja did a thing, but there was no way she would assume before that it would take a part on the contest.

Also, during that patch, we had that talk with G'raha about us deciding if we wanted to go or not, and we even get to answer being unsure about supporting her or not wanting to get involved in politics, which if we think more about it, wouldn't that imply that the WoL would be able to have mixed feelings about the whole thing in the beginning, or at least a more neutral stance? When we get there, however, we get absolutely no say in the matter and it's all about blindly supporting her, no questions asked.

Considering how little she was mentioned during all of the media before the expansion, the trailers, the interviews, even her size in the official poster and how quickly we meet her before the launch...I wouldn't say it was pretty clear at all.

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Originally Posted by ViaDesperare

With the recent Viper knee-jerk change, it has occurred to me that YoshiP seems to keep lying to us.

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Have you been living under a rock all these years? He's been lying since the very beginning.
Take a look at my signature.

What in the world people wanted them to do with Krile? Since her introduction she was a barely functional FFV fanservice and nothing more. Now that she's not a white mage anymoreshe doesn't have even that. They did all they could with her.

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Originally Posted by Fhaerron

Have you been living under a rock all these years? He's been lying since the very beginning.
Take a look at my signature.

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Housing is a whole issue in and of itself. Like seriously we need more housing, but it's not happening.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

For the first part, in the interview with Yoshi-P that you linked, he literally says they're looking to diversify jobs a bit more in "Patch 7.2 and beyond." We're in Patch 7.05 as of this morning. I don't see the "lie" yet...

For the second part, Krile definitely played an active role in the MSQ. She was part of the team the entire journey and was one of the two main "side-stories" alongside Erenville. It may not have been to the level you either wanted or had come to expect in your head, but it doesn't change that she was an active part of the story.

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It seems like a very baffling idea to say "We are going to diversify jobs in a future patch" and then spend the time up until that patch homogenizing everything further. It both leads to them having to do more work and does not inspire any confidence.

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Originally Posted by Ririta

They did all they could with her.

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Did they though?

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Originally Posted by Ririta

What in the world people wanted them to do with Krile? Since her introduction she was a barely functional FFV fanservice and nothing more. Now that she's not a white mage anymoreshe doesn't have even that. They did all they could with her.

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They didn't do all they could do with her they could have done a lot more with her instead of her always taking a back seat to the other scions and even taking a back seat to wuk lamat but they decided to continue to not do much with her and not expand much on her character. All we got in dawntrail was finally some origins for her but all the shining moments she was suppose to get end up getting interrupted by lead kitty girl wuk lamat.

The dude was always a hack. They always overpromise and always underdeliver.

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Did they though?

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Yeah. She never had anything going on for her. Prior to DT the biggest contribution she had for the plot was being used to turn Zenos into a resonant and that should've been the end of it tbh.

Thats what happens when the main director of Squares biggest cashcow right now rather makes another game then care about his "Maingame" FF14. And people really thought Yoshi P working on another game wouldnt influx anything of ff14. Yeah...Lets just be hopeful things will get fixed soon...else their cashcow runs dry and so will Square.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

It seems like a very baffling idea to say "We are going to diversify jobs in a future patch" and then spend the time up until that patch homogenizing everything further. It both leads to them having to do more work and does not inspire any confidence.

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Again, Yoshi-P did not say this. The article is a mistranslation. This was clarified in the live letter.

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Originally Posted by chizLemons

So the only thing that made it clear prior to the expansion for you was the patch content, regardless of everything that was said during the media tours, fanfests, keynotes, liveletters and interviews about Dawntrail, which we whad been anticipating way before 6.55.

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No, everything else made it clear to me as well. I was keeping to the patch content to account for if you didn't look at that.

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YoshiP saying she was going to have an active role.

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Anything Yoshi-P says can't be taken in a specific way because it's translated, unless there's no other way to interpret it. In this case, clearly there was another way to interpret it, such as meaning that Krile's role would be more in the later part.

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Funny thing about the Valigarmanda also was that we only had to fight it because Bakool Ja Ja did a thing, but there was no way she would assume before that it would take a part on the contest.

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It was part of the contest regardless, but not necessarily as something we have to fight. We were going to reinforce the structures that were keeping it there.

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Originally Posted by Lyndina

Thats what happens when the main director of Squares biggest cashcow right now rather makes another game then care about his "Maingame" FF14. And people really thought Yoshi P working on another game wouldnt influx anything of ff14. Yeah...Lets just be hopeful things will get fixed soon...else their cashcow runs dry and so will Square.

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He's already set to helm another game that's in early development. The man wants out.