Pvp chat is an outdated system that doesn't work anymore

So it's been in the game as long as I have and while I understand why it's in the game. The lack of team based communication has been a massive negitive.

If for example there is a very skilled player on the opponent team.. I have basically no way of pointing this out. Or explaining how I can counter them. This HAS cost me many games. I instead have to find those players in my team through the pvp discord, message them after the game and tell them. Most of them by then don't even reply because it's pointless. If I am being focused down by 4 yes. 4 players. I have no way of communicating this. So noone helps me and I die. If somebody comes to the door, my controller dcs or anything makes it so i need to leave the game. I have no way of communicating this. So my team think I'm win trading or sandbagging intentionally. Sometimes if I'm lucky they even report me for it

I understand why chat was removed. But censoring toxicity isn't the way to counter it. For one. If somebody wants to be toxic.. they will just spam "nice job" "push the crystal' regardless. Something square enix claims they will take as a breach of tos ( I'll dig up the lodestone post later) or, they will dm me either in game or on discord and say I'm trash or whatever else. So what exactly did removing chat do to prevent this? Nothing.

Not being able to communicate with my team is costing us wins. Making players frustrated and not serving it's purpose.
Not to mention (I have HOM and Vanguard) that after almost 500 games of frontline and 200 of rival wings I've seen predominantly toxic, afk, win trading and intentionally dieng 0 dps players and far more toxicity. Why is it only cc should suffer this stagnant chat? When frontline and rival wings get away for free with much more toxicity.

Aye, the lack of being able to properly communicate is a large part of why I play Crystaline Conflict the least of all the PVP modes, and when I do drag myself into the queue, I just kinda play it brainlessly not even trying to figure out a plan of attack/target priority because it just isn't possible to nigh-pantomime to people what you're thinking/what they're thinking.

Yep feeling this, because it really deprives you of lots of learning opportunities. Higher ranked players will sometimes use strats and markings that casuals/lower-ranked players don't understand, such as using the bind symbol as a PLD while covering to indicate someone can use an elixir. I only learned this after very actively engaging with other pvp players above my level outside of CC games because I became really invested in CC.

Same goes for small things like the oasis buff on the red sands map. You can pretty much tell who is aware of it by the route they take at the beginning of the game. A quick "Hey, the oasis has a buff, you can use it to counter heat wave" would do so much.

But other people might not go to such lengths even though they like the mode and want to play ranked. So if something happens within a game that they can't make sense of they might not go out of their way afterwards to dig through reddit (if the topic is covered at all) to find out what it was. I also think many not-very-hardcore-but-still-moderately-invested CC players may not even know or at least not (actively) participate in the pvp revival discord channel either.

But if you could communicate with them right away in the game then they'll be able to learn a lot more new things as they go. As a learning experience it's also a lot more organic and more likely to stick since the feedback is provided in the same situation.
My friend sometimes gives me valuable feedback after matches we play together and sometimes I don't even remember the instances he refers to, even though I actively ask for his input, esp. if games are very eventful, fast-paced or hectic/chaotic.

Not to mention all the specific plays, job mechanics, counters and situational strategies but you already mentioned those.

I do understand the point of toxicity prevention in fast-paced games like CC where emotions might be even more heated than in longer battle modes (and I'm not gonna lie, when I started out as a pvp newb the lack of an open chat did make it more accessible to me because it decreased my beginner's anxiety a lot). But at the very least they should expand the current command list. It's so ridiculously limited and doesn't lend itself to communicate strategies or advanced calls at all.

Or make casual a closed chat and ranked an open chat perhaps. (Though I understand that on EU servers this would only be half of a solution because our ranked queues die after a few weeks and the skilled players would be stuck with casuals, ergo a closed chat, again.)

It's bs pvp arena players can't chat. There's toxicity among raid groups in PF, by that logic, they should lock chat for extreme, savage, and ultimate content.

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Originally Posted by iVolke

It's bs pvp arena players can't chat. There's toxicity among raid groups in PF, by that logic, they should lock chat for extreme, savage, and ultimate content.

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I've never been told to never play my job again in raid. I have in pvp lol.

Pvp players are toxic on a whole other level.

When chat was allowed most of the games was just half of your team arguing with each other about why they should off themselves for playing a specific way/ using a specific strategy or job.

It was 4v4 then and most matches turned into 4 v 1's 2v2's etc. Rarely ever did all players compete because they were too busy throwing around insults for 6+ minutes.

I don't exactly like quick chat personally, but I don't know that it would be better with chat either.

It wouldn't be as big of an issue if the Quick Chat options in current PvP weren't so damn bad.

Imagine if they actually put some effort to them to bring them up on par with the ping systems of modern games, but nope they loop the few same sound effects for multiple things and have no visual indicators at all.

How hard would it be to just add those tracking aoe arrows from raids to people to show towards your own spawn point for few seconds when someone uses "Fall back and regroup" for example? How hard would it be to flash your MP % above your head in MP color when you use that for like 2 seconds?

They should just put hard stop to spam with built in cooldowns to the chat messages and make the quick chat actually useful if they aren't going to release the chat channel as is.

Also as side note, why are FC and other channels muted while in CC matches? It's super lazy from them to not just block the party chat but doing it to all channels.

Sure, if ya'll want Frontline's shout chat in CC, by all means. You'll just be providing the "nice job" spammers actual room to throw insults around while still being ignored by your team anyway lol.
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I'm sure this won't lead anywhere toxic and everyone will be kind and productive.
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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I've never been told to never play my job again in raid. I have in pvp lol.

Pvp players are toxic on a whole other level.

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Add competitiveness to anything, be it pvp or the 'barse' and you'll see toxicity in any game mode. PvP just feels very standard.

It's always funny to see the ping spam whenever the team isn't doing great. I get it that people are trying to win, but I honestly feel the ping system is abit limited....If people want to be toxic, they'll find other ways. People work around the 'be nice' by being passive aggressive/subtly shitty.

That aside...

I can understand why chat is limited sadly, though at times I wish I could type something helpful in there, like warning my team etc, not everyone who is going to use the chat is going to be malicious about it. I feel like SE took the nuclear option, I never experienced feast before, so I don't know how it used to be like or what pushed SE to do this.

Matches last 5-6 minutes, I don't think there's much time to 'chat' anyway....I don't play CC anymore since it's usually against the same people here on chaos and it's very boring. It feels like the mode is pretty dead compared to how it was when it first came out.

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Originally Posted by Rueby

Add competitiveness to anything, be it pvp or the 'barse' and you'll see toxicity in any game mode. PvP just feels very standard.

It's always funny to see the ping spam whenever the team isn't doing great. I get it that people are trying to win, but I honestly feel the ping system is abit limited....If people want to be toxic, they'll find other ways. People work around the 'be nice' by being passive aggressive/subtly shitty.

That aside...

I can understand why chat is limited sadly, though at times I wish I could type something helpful in there, like warning my team etc, not everyone who is going to use the chat is going to be malicious about it. I feel like SE took the nuclear option, I never experienced feast before, so I don't know how it used to be like or what pushed SE to do this.

Matches last 5-6 minutes, I don't think there's much time to 'chat' anyway....I don't play CC anymore since it's usually against the same people here on chaos and it's very boring. It feels like the mode is pretty dead compared to how it was when it first came out.

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Feast was a mess. People would intentionally sabotage matches for their friends to rank higher (hence why there's no longer party matching) and botting was pretty common iirc. So pretty much unless you were friends with the right people, botting your wins, or had some insane luck + skill...the top ranks were unreachable for the average person.

https://i.imgur.com/3aCpwF0.png
I think Se doesn't want to deal with that.

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Originally Posted by ThaCa

It wouldn't be as big of an issue if the Quick Chat options in current PvP weren't so damn bad.

Imagine if they actually put some effort to them to bring them up on par with the ping systems of modern games, but nope they loop the few same sound effects for multiple things and have no visual indicators at all.

How hard would it be to just add those tracking aoe arrows from raids to people to show towards your own spawn point for few seconds when someone uses "Fall back and regroup" for example? How hard would it be to flash your MP % above your head in MP color when you use that for like 2 seconds?

They should just put hard stop to spam with built in cooldowns to the chat messages and make the quick chat actually useful if they aren't going to release the chat channel as is.

Also as side note, why are FC and other channels muted while in CC matches? It's super lazy from them to not just block the party chat but doing it to all channels.

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I don't disagree with what you've said. Quick Chat could be better, they used to ask for recommendations to improve it on the forums.

The other chats are blocked to prevent collusion iirc that was the reason they gave us. So you couldn't coordinate with the opposing side via Free company chat and tells.

It doesn't really solve the issue its meant to solve though, and makes pvp a really lonely experience.

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Originally Posted by Eastwall

https://i.imgur.com/3aCpwF0.png
I think Se doesn't want to deal with that.

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this looks older than my nan. using ancient standards to get around current day problems is not practical

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

this looks older than my nan. using ancient standards to get around current day problems is not practical

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The point wasn't the look of the photo lol, which btw is from GW2 I believe.

The point is the content and that it's people complaining and being toxic to each other about not playing well when given the opportunity to have open communication compared to the limited one we have now in CC.

I pretty much live in Frontlines when I play this game and chat usually consists of one of two things:

1. Someone spamming a macro for calls and pissing people off
2. The team playing poorly/not listening to calls and pissing people off

I would not be shocked if we have limited CC chat because of that, like the poster you quoted off of said. I can't count how many times I've been in Frontlines and had a chorus of like 4+ people yell "Reported" when people start arguing in there. If true, I can't blame SE for not wanting to wade through that much report spam if it's regularly occurring in pvp lol. I feel for you that you want to use it for good reasons but a lot of people won't and I'm glad Square is focusing on that.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

this looks older than my nan. using ancient standards to get around current day problems is not practical

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It’s GW2.

Anyway, some things never change and the garbage people spew in that screenshot remains pretty current. I’ve rarely seen non toxic pvp chat when playing with randoms and when instructions are posted, they are for the most part ignored. No chat is not a big loss.

I dont understand why a chat couldnt exist with a mute button. They want a competitive mode but coddle everyone out of a proper way to communicate.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

The point wasn't the look of the photo lol, which btw is from GW2 I believe.

The point is the content and that it's people complaining and being toxic to each other about not playing well when given the opportunity to have open communication compared to the limited one we have now in CC.

I pretty much live in Frontlines when I play this game and chat usually consists of one of two things:

1. Someone spamming a macro for calls and pissing people off
2. The team playing poorly/not listening to calls and pissing people off

I would not be shocked if we have limited CC chat because of that, like the poster you quoted off of said. I can't count how many times I've been in Frontlines and had a chorus of like 4+ people yell "Reported" when people start arguing in there. If true, I can't blame SE for not wanting to wade through that much report spam if it's regularly occurring in pvp lol. I feel for you that you want to use it for good reasons but a lot of people won't and I'm glad Square is focusing on that.

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Yes, it was a ranked match in Guild wars2. The dude was on my team. Although l lost because of him, but it was funny to watch.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I've never been told to never play my job again in raid. I have in pvp lol.

Pvp players are toxic on a whole other level.

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I have been because of a low parse.

Been kicked for asking 4 players to not AFK in a duty and was roasted up until vote went off.

Got called "one of the most toxic players Ive ever met" for typing "clem?" to a Paladin.

PvE players aren't really saints themselves in this game.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Sure, if ya'll want Frontline's shout chat in CC, by all means. You'll just be providing the "nice job" spammers actual room to throw insults around while still being ignored by your team anyway lol.
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I'm sure this won't lead anywhere toxic and everyone will be kind and productive.
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The current system already *is* toxic though.

I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen someone use "push the crystal" during a match or "nice job" after a win. But after a loss? Spam of both for days, sometimes from more than one teammate. In fact, I don't think I've *ever* seen anyone use the quick chat for anything helpful or productive, at least not in casual Crystaline Conflict on Aether (maybe it's different on other data centers, or at least the non-dead ones where PVP actually pops). And it's not like the jerks spamming quick chat are any more immune from blacklisting as the jerks shouting during Frontlines/Rival Wings either when it comes to dealing with both, so I at least want a proper chat for *my* benefit and those who would use it properly because the toxic folks are going to be treated the same way regardless of how they're acting it out.

A proper chat wouldn't add anything more negative than what's already there basically, and quick chat probably even encourages some poor behavior because someone can be a snot with a press of a hotkey instead of having to stop and type out whatever variation of "you suck" they're thinking about.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

The current system already *is* toxic though.

I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen someone use "push the crystal" during a match or "nice job" after a win. But after a loss? Spam of both for days, sometimes from more than one teammate. In fact, I don't think I've *ever* seen anyone use the quick chat for anything helpful or productive, at least not in casual Crystaline Conflict on Aether (maybe it's different on other data centers, or at least the non-dead ones where PVP actually pops). And it's not like the jerks spamming quick chat are any more immune from blacklisting as the jerks shouting during Frontlines/Rival Wings either when it comes to dealing with both, so I at least want a proper chat for *my* benefit and those who would use it properly because the toxic folks are going to be treated the same way regardless of how they're acting it out.

A proper chat wouldn't add anything more negative than what's already there basically, and quick chat probably even encourages some poor behavior because someone can be a snot with a press of a hotkey instead of having to stop and type out whatever variation of "you suck" they're thinking about.

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agreed. its absolutely ridiculous to punish everyone for the actions of a group of people years ago

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

The current system already *is* toxic though.

I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen someone use "push the crystal" during a match or "nice job" after a win. But after a loss? Spam of both for days, sometimes from more than one teammate. In fact, I don't think I've *ever* seen anyone use the quick chat for anything helpful or productive, at least not in casual Crystaline Conflict on Aether (maybe it's different on other data centers, or at least the non-dead ones where PVP actually pops). And it's not like the jerks spamming quick chat are any more immune from blacklisting as the jerks shouting during Frontlines/Rival Wings either when it comes to dealing with both, so I at least want a proper chat for *my* benefit and those who would use it properly because the toxic folks are going to be treated the same way regardless of how they're acting it out.

A proper chat wouldn't add anything more negative than what's already there basically, and quick chat probably even encourages some poor behavior because someone can be a snot with a press of a hotkey instead of having to stop and type out whatever variation of "you suck" they're thinking about.

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I'd still say the quick chat is the lesser of the two evils. I would rather have a quick chat where the spam can be muted by turning down the system sounds, make a macro for it even. Rather than someone raging in text chat, stopping the match to type at each other, and saying rather vile things.

It wouldn't be such an issue if they bothered getting around to adding more (actually relevant) Quick-Chat phrases to alert and coordinate with your team. As it stands now, their intern PvP person PvP team looks at all things PvP maybe twice a year, while tiny potency job adjustments being based-off of CC winrates (and nothing more), gets maybe a third look. Anything else that requires adjustments or considered being added needs to go through the correct bureaucratic channels and processes before being voted on being put on the very back of the back-burner for maybe being squeezed into a large patch release. If it's already the latter half of an expansion cycle, it almost certainly won't be implemented until the next expansion. Any glamour or mounts they couldn't fit anywhere else gets tossed to the Wolf's Den vendors or PvP series. :rolleyes:

Anywho. If they added more (relevant) Quick-Chat phrases at all at some point during this expansion after they added like, those extra 6 or whatever -it would have helped tremendously with coordination. Some basic ones to call attention to your teammates or just flat-out help with awareness would've gone a long way. I don't know why they feel like we needed "Hello" and "Good Match!" when we still don't have things like:

"Beware [Target Enemy]'s Limit Break!" (Which to be fair, would be a stealth nerf to almost all SAMs in Casual and low ranks)
"Help me!" (Though this will probably be overused. Especially by those people getting freaked-out from being chased around by a PLD)
"Go heal up!"
"They are focused on me!"
"[Target Teammate], Assist me!"
"My Guard/Purify is unavailable."
"Don't chase the enemy!"
"Temporarily move away from the crystal"
"Incoming arena hazard!"

-as some examples.

Lord knows our PvP hotbars are barren enough to fit more Quick-Chats.

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Originally Posted by iVolke

It's bs pvp arena players can't chat. There's toxicity among raid groups in PF, by that logic, they should lock chat for extreme, savage, and ultimate content.

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PvP is ridiculously competitive, and it brings out the worst in people. Having chat off is a big plus. I do think they need to expand on the chat macro list though what they have is kind of meh honestly. maybe even had some pvp exclusive markers.

I play quite a bit of PvP and I can't say I've ever had a problem with the lack of free chat. 99% of what you would need to communicate in a match is perfectly doable with quick chat. You may have the odd lack of communication death here and there but I'll take that any day of the week over trying to win a match solo while everyone else on my team stands around arguing about nonsense.

PVP is just bad in general, delete it and move the rewards to other content.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

It wouldn't be such an issue if they bothered getting around to adding more (actually relevant) Quick-Chat phrases to alert and coordinate with your team. As it stands now, their intern PvP person PvP team looks at all things PvP maybe twice a year, while tiny potency job adjustments being based-off of CC winrates (and nothing more), gets maybe a third look. Anything else that requires adjustments or considered being added needs to go through the correct bureaucratic channels and processes before being voted on being put on the very back of the back-burner for maybe being squeezed into a large patch release. If it's already the latter half of an expansion cycle, it almost certainly won't be implemented until the next expansion. Any glamour or mounts they couldn't fit anywhere else gets tossed to the Wolf's Den vendors or PvP series. :rolleyes:

Anywho. If they added more (relevant) Quick-Chat phrases at all at some point during this expansion after they added like, those extra 6 or whatever -it would have helped tremendously with coordination. Some basic ones to call attention to your teammates or just flat-out help with awareness would've gone a long way. I don't know why they feel like we needed "Hello" and "Good Match!" when we still don't have things like:

"Beware [Target Enemy]'s Limit Break!" (Which to be fair, would be a stealth nerf to almost all SAMs in Casual and low ranks)
"Help me!" (Though this will probably be overused. Especially by those people getting freaked-out from being chased around by a PLD)
"Go heal up!"
"They are focused on me!"
"[Target Teammate], Assist me!"
"My Guard/Purify is unavailable."
"Don't chase the enemy!"
"Temporarily move away from the crystal"
"Incoming arena hazard!"

-as some examples.

Lord knows our PvP hotbars are barren enough to fit more Quick-Chats.

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Something like "Follow me" or "Follow <player>" or "Go to/Move to <marker x>" would also be helpful.

With <marker x> I mean custom map markers or beacons you can place during the match. As of now you can already place markers but you can't really alert people to move there. So for the uninitiated they might look random (e.g. when people place markers on the oasis shortcut on the red sands map). But if you could make calls with movement directions you could direct your party in a more coordinated way and all in all communicate advanced strategies better.

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Originally Posted by LynxDubh

I'd still say the quick chat is the lesser of the two evils. I would rather have a quick chat where the spam can be muted by turning down the system sounds, make a macro for it even. Rather than someone raging in text chat, stopping the match to type at each other, and saying rather vile things.

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"Shutting off" quick chat in that way just seems to emphasize how useless it currently is though, in that it rarely gets used as intended during a match and is always used for mockery after.

Hell, I don't even have any of the quick chat stuff on my own PVP hotbars because I already know they're a waste despite how much free space there is, and simply adding *more* quick chat options isn't going to make me any more inclined to care about them. On the contrary, it just adds more stuff I can safely ignore during a match (because they'll never be used properly anyway) or someone will turn one or more of the new quick chats into the new post-match insult.

Can people use normal chat to make jerks of themselves? Of course they will, I see it all the time in Frontlines/Rival Wings, but I also see the chat there make a difference with shot-calling/pinch warnings. With Crystaline Conflict, you just kinda derp-zerg into the crystal/enemy team and hope things work out for you because there's no useful way to communicate otherwise. Could be teamed up with AI-controlled bots at that point for all the difference it makes.

There are ways to communicate these sort of things with the pvp chat templates.

I find it kinda sad that I get more salt bags spamming quick chat in casual queue rather than in higher ranks.

I have less than 0 interest in anything some nimrod in my casual queues has to say so no thanks.

Yeaahhh... you don't want chat back. It's a salt mine. That being said, they should absolutely mute people who spam nice job or whatever X times in a row. I wish we had a quick chat button for "Grow up."

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

"Shutting off" quick chat in that way just seems to emphasize how useless it currently is though, in that it rarely gets used as intended during a match and is always used for mockery after.

Hell, I don't even have any of the quick chat stuff on my own PVP hotbars because I already know they're a waste despite how much free space there is, and simply adding *more* quick chat options isn't going to make me any more inclined to care about them. On the contrary, it just adds more stuff I can safely ignore during a match (because they'll never be used properly anyway) or someone will turn one or more of the new quick chats into the new post-match insult.

Can people use normal chat to make jerks of themselves? Of course they will, I see it all the time in Frontlines/Rival Wings, but I also see the chat there make a difference with shot-calling/pinch warnings. With Crystaline Conflict, you just kinda derp-zerg into the crystal/enemy team and hope things work out for you because there's no useful way to communicate otherwise. Could be teamed up with AI-controlled bots at that point for all the difference it makes.

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You sound rather assured in your defeatism. I find the quick chats handy for coordination and targeting when people use it along with macros. They could use with extra and more through and informative options like others have posted in this thread.

But, having free chat in CC would give an avenue for people to keyboard PvP. Which heavily affects 5v5 CC games as opposed to 24v24v24 FL games. Salt is gonna salt, sometimes the best thing is to restrict how the salt can flow.

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Originally Posted by LynxDubh

You sound rather assured in your defeatism. I find the quick chats handy for coordination and targeting when people use it along with macros. They could use with extra and more through and informative options like others have posted in this thread.

But, having free chat in CC would give an avenue for people to keyboard PvP. Which heavily affects 5v5 CC games as opposed to 24v24v24 FL games. Salt is gonna salt, sometimes the best thing is to restrict how the salt can flow.

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If other people are getting results using quick chats in their matches, good for them, but my experience has gotten to the point where I treat them as background noise and ignore the chat completely in CC, and I've probably blocked just as many "nice job/push the crystal" spammers after a bad round of CC than I have salty loudmouths in FL/RW, even after taking into account some people pop off even when they're winning/already won, so it's not like one PVP mode is personally giving me more textual grief than the other so they might as well be the same anyway.

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Originally Posted by LynxDubh

You sound rather assured in your defeatism. I find the quick chats handy for coordination and targeting when people use it along with macros. They could use with extra and more through and informative options like others have posted in this thread. Your skill does nothing because some other player died once so you all wipe, leave the pf and kick the guy. Rinse repeat. Such non toxic content!

But, having free chat in CC would give an avenue for people to keyboard PvP. Which heavily affects 5v5 CC games as opposed to 24v24v24 FL games. Salt is gonna salt, sometimes the best thing is to restrict how the salt can flow.

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But people are salt mines and keyboard warriors in fl and rw. And yet you don't see them remove chat there. What I want is fair treatment. The chat DOESNT PREVENT toxicity and I think this is evidence that's being purposefully ignored. After matches I get messaged either in game or on discord and harassed by said player next match. So the chat restriction did nothing to prevent this. If the purpose of the restriction is to disarm toxicity, and it can't even do that. Tell Me... what is the point of it anymore?

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Originally Posted by ThaCa

I find it kinda sad that I get more salt bags spamming quick chat in casual queue rather than in higher ranks.

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Good players aren't toxic. Toxicity only comes from an inferiority complex, so players who actually take the time to learn how to be good don't act like this.

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Originally Posted by LynxDubh

I'd still say the quick chat is the lesser of the two evils. I would rather have a quick chat where the spam can be muted by turning down the system sounds, make a macro for it even. Rather than someone raging in text chat, stopping the match to type at each other, and saying rather vile things.

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Players already freeze mid Match. I had 1 guy throw an entire natch because he got a no no marker (from throwing 2 other matches )

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Originally Posted by 1313

PVP is just bad in general, delete it and move the rewards to other content.

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Imo pvp is the best content in the game. Jobs have identity and impact on the match, skill carries, the glam is sick and no match is ever the same. How is " and now it's time for light rampant wipe 1058" "ill give you special cells" the better content. It's so mindnumbing and repetitive it made my static quit raiding

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

PvP is ridiculously competitive, and it brings out the worst in people. Having chat off is a big plus. I do think they need to expand on the chat macro list though what they have is kind of meh honestly. maybe even had some pvp exclusive markers.

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Firstly - it is not competitive as much as you might think. Most people don't play for wins as only very few and massively grindy titles require wins ( prolly to turn pll off) not only that but almost ALL rewards can be obtained for loosing. Something I've confirmed people mostly play for - the rewards. I play to win since I'm grinding alpha wolf and 1/5 the way there, but I don't get super madge if my team looses, because I can just dm our weaker player and ask him if he knows his kit and how to improve. I had maybe 2-3 players dm me and say "you suck quit" when I ask them how quitting would make me improve they suddenly don't reply because it's a great way to shut them down. Ive had people tea bag me if i die ( i laugh it off brcause instead of doing the objective theyre standing there defensless, its even funnier when it gets them killed) ive had ppl ddos me (and my team Has still won) Toxicity is like rain. It happens. It's annoying. It won't kill you. So just ignore it. Thick skin if needed for everything in the adult world and you cannot let people come between you and your goals. Because trust me they will try
Secondly- it' brings out the worst in SOME pvp players. Not ALL pvp players.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

But people are salt mines and keyboard warriors in fl and rw. And yet you don't see them remove chat there. What I want is fair treatment. The chat DOESNT PREVENT toxicity and I think this is evidence that's being purposefully ignored. After matches I get messaged either in game or on discord and harassed by said player next match. So the chat restriction did nothing to prevent this. If the purpose of the restriction is to disarm toxicity, and it can't even do that. Tell Me... what is the point of it anymore?


Players already freeze mid Match. I had 1 guy throw an entire natch because he got a no no marker (from throwing 2 other matches )

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The point is to mitigate toxic behavior that would disrupt a fast paced, low player count match during said match, not remove it. The concept of a full-proof system that can completely remove toxicity from a PvP mode is fanciful nonsense. Salt lords will find a way to vent their frustrations and be toxic. With a quick chat "I was not fighting so I could type to my team" is no longer on the table as an excuse. It strips people who want to freeze and afk as a retaliation of plausible deniability.

As for people being toxic and abusive outside of a match, that's outside of the match it's irrelevant to this conversation. If you do as much PvP as you claim, you should know the drill. Report them through proper channels. Expecting an in instance feature to prevent actions outside itself and outside the game is ludicrous.