FF7 Crosover

I think apart from myself im sure there are other fans out there have been wanting to have a crosover with FF7 and having Sephiroth appear and having him as a boss battle and having the One Winged Angel Theme playing while fighting him, i think it would be a great boss fight, as Sephiroth is a fan Favourite to most FF Fans.

What do you guys think? Think he should appear

Unfortunately, I don't see a specific FFVII crossover event ever happening simply because FFVII is such a major iconic success for SE - SE seems to add crossover events for as a form of cross-promotion for games that actually aren't selling well or are not as successful as they should be (FFXIII, XV, XVI). As much as I'd love to have a FFVII event though, I don't see it ever happening (I'd love to have Aeris Aerith's original FFVII attire in the game for my WHM, but... alas..).

We do have other items and references from FFVII already in the game (Cloud's Advent Children attire is a Veteran/Achievement reward, his hairstyle is a rare contest prize occassionally offered, the Buster Sword shows up as the level 1 and 2 DPS Limit Break, his Advent Children SDS Fenrir motorcycle is on the Mogstation, as are Cloud, Aeris and Tifa minions, to say nothing of Gold Saucer, the DRK victory pose is literally Cloud's victory pose, then there's the WEAPON fights in ShB, the whole materia system, the Lifestream, the Guard Scorpion shows up as the first boss of Ala Mhigo, part of Garlemald is literally the playground in Sector 6, Aulus mal Asina was basically Hojo, Zenos (and Nael before him) is Sephiroth in draconic armour... etc etc.) so a FFVII event would be kind of superflorous anyway.

Idk if you can say only "less successful mainline FF can get the crossover treatment". 11 got an crossover and it was the cashcow for SE until 14 ARR.

FFVII would be a great crossover as long as they're pulling from the original and not the dumpster fire that is the remake series.

We have Sephiroth at home.

http://static2.minitokyo.net/view/07/02/742607.jpg

I'm just so tired of FF7. Give me 8 or 9 remake please.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Idk if you can say only "less successful mainline FF can get the crossover treatment". 11 got an crossover and it was the cashcow for SE until 14 ARR.

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FFXI got two crossovers here in ARR incidentally (the one with Iroha that tied into the Rhapsodies of Vana'diel story finale, and a seperate much earlier one early in ARR's life involving Shantotto that tied in with her mini-expansion A Shantotto Ascension). And yes, there was a FFXIV crossover in FFXI to boot, although it was... pretty lame (just had players fighting FFXIV spriggans that had somehow ended up on Vana'diel and rewarded spriggan costume attire).

Either way, FFXI's crossovers in ARR were a tribute to FFXIV's MMORPG predecessor (FFXIV 1.0 had the same original producer as XI - Hiromichi Tanaka, and many of the same development team members worked on both), and so there was a direct connection between the two games (and, despite FFXI paying for itself, it was still... mostly ignored sadly by most FF fans, so only really broke even because of the monthly subscription - on sales numbers alone it probably would have tanked. But I digress.).

FFVII on the other hand, basically prints money for SE so there is no need to do a resource costly special event in the game where they can just put some gear or minions or whatever on the Mogstation and make even more money. Would I want a FFVII crossover event in the game though? Of course I do. But I think at this stage we'll probably never see one (and that's even taking into account Yoshi is on record stating his personal favourite FF game is FFVII, so take from that what you will.).

I don't see it likely having a VII crossover because for XII and before they seem to trend more to integrating the concepts from those games into XIV with their own flavor. So that's more likely than an actual crossover.

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Originally Posted by JuicyHeals

I'm just so tired of FF7. Give me 8 or 9 remake please.

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And Sephiroth. He is the most overrated villain in the series or maybe SE just keeps pushing him on us so much for the past nearly 30 years I am just tired of him. He is just a dude who never matured beyond 9th grade, with a big sword and mommy issues. Even when I first played FF7 back when it was brand new on the ps1 I eyerolled that dude more than anything.

Kefka, Golbez, Lady Lilith even mute just sitting in the background Sin was more compelling of a villain.

Sephiroth is only welcome in FF14 if he comes in Lalafell form.

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Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus

And Sephiroth. He is the most overrated villain in the series or maybe SE just keeps pushing him on us so much for the past nearly 30 years I am just tired of him. He is just a dude who never matured beyond 9th grade, with a big sword and mommy issues. Even when I first played FF7 back when it was brand new on the ps1 I eyerolled that dude more than anything.

Kefka, Golbez, Lady Lilith even mute just sitting in the background Sin was more compelling of a villain.

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Basically this.

Though, I have to admit I thought he was pretty cool back in the day. Then my brother introduced me to Metal Gear Solid, which coincidentally came out the same year as FFVII. You could pull a name out of a hat from its entourage of villains to find one cooler, better written, and better executed than Sephiroth. That game holds up today, and was eons ahead of its time.

Please....for the love of all that's holy..... let FF7 die already. It was (at best IMO) a mediocre game that would have never been more than just another game if it hadn't worn the Final Fantasy label. FF9 needs some serious loving, as it was the only one of the series (ff7-ff12) that is actually "fantasy" (again IMO).

I prefer when they just sprinkle in references to old games through locations, enemies, music, and items. Post-EW content felt like they relied too much on FF4 fanservice that the story became quite predictable and forced.

Make your character go on a gold saucer date with Cloud

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the entire Gold Saucer plus Chocobo racing/breeding already a nod to FF7?

As long as we get Aerith or Tifa outfits for completing it, i'd welcome it

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Originally Posted by kcj

Please....for the love of all that's holy..... let FF7 die already. It was (at best IMO) a mediocre game that would have never been more than just another game if it hadn't worn the Final Fantasy label. FF9 needs some serious loving, as it was the only one of the series (ff7-ff12) that is actually "fantasy" (again IMO).

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ff9 is such a gem of a game; and better than 7

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Originally Posted by kcj

FF9 needs some serious loving, as it was the only one of the series (ff7-ff12) that is actually "fantasy" (again IMO).

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Do not lump FF12 in with Nomura slop

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

As long as we get Aerith or Tifa outfits for completing it, i'd welcome it

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This. As much as the female glamours tend to get the better half overall, when it comes to FF inspired glams, they defenitely get the short hand. No Tifa, Aerith, Rinoa, Dagger (I want that orange jumpsuit, DT seems the time to give it to us) outfits, when all their counterparts are ingame. As simple as it is, I would also have liked a Lunafreya outfit (but yeah, FFXV being a sausage fest, I get it). Lightning is a special case since she is the main character. XII got all the cast but that's also a special case. The only one that got a fair treatment is FFX (well XIII too, but I'm not sure it would have if the main character was a guy, but let's give them the benefit of the doubt).

It would be pretty cool to get the buster sword.

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ff9 is such a gem of a game; and better than 7

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FFIX is what I perceive to be a true Final Fantasy game in the sense that it focuses more on being an RPG than an anime fan service like VII. There really isn't a main character, but each character has a distinctive path they follow and personal goals/hardships, a true job system focusing on heavy D&D elements, a compelling villain with clear motives, and a phenomenal story with plenty of comic relief and a fantastic ending to wave off severe depression. IX was nearly perfect. It fumbled a bit with Necron as the insert last boss, and a Kuja redemption arc, but I personally forgive it.

That game definitely has a special place with me.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

FFIX is what I perceive to be a true Final Fantasy game in the sense that it focuses more on being an RPG than an anime fan service like VII. There really isn't a main character, but each character has a distinctive path they follow and personal goals/hardships, a true job system focusing on heavy D&D elements, a compelling villain with clear motives, and a phenomenal story with plenty of comic relief and a fantastic ending to wave off severe depression. IX was nearly perfect. It fumbled a bit with Necron as the insert last boss, and a Kuja redemption arc, but I personally forgive it.

That game definitely has a special place with me.

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IX is my absolute favorite but I think you're confusing it with something else. There's no job system in it. Everyone is very much specific jobs and the abilities they can learn from gear go along with those jobs. Only ones who really toe that line are Eiko and Dagger for white mage/summoner.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

IX is my absolute favorite but I think you're confusing it with something else. There's no job system in it. Everyone is very much specific jobs and the abilities they can learn from gear go along with those jobs. Only ones who really toe that line are Eiko and Dagger for white mage/summoner.

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That's exactly what the job system is. The job titles don't have to spelled out for you in the menu screen for the game to be classified as a FF with an intact job system. Based on abilities, weapons, and even personalities, you know Vivi is a Black Mage, Zidane is a Thief, Steiner is a Knight/Paladin, Beatrix is a Paladin, Dagger is a White Mage, Eiko a summoner, Freya a Dragoon, etc.
Not only are their jobs mentioned in dialogue throughout the game and stated in their lore, they are also arguably some of the best representations of Final Fantasy's iconic jobs. If Dagger's callback wearing the WHM robe when she flees the castle keep doesn't say this, I don't know what does.

FF games without a job system are games like VI, VII, and VIII where aside from some niche innate skills, everyone can learn everything if enough game time is put in. Making them all essentially the same. One of the reasons why IX was so refreshing was because it returned what made FF games great in the first place.

I am definitely not confusing this title with something else. It's one of my favorite games of all time.

Please no, especially with tifa or aerith glamour rewards. The amount of cringe couples with cloud and aerith or tifa glamours will be catastrophic.

Eiko is more White Mage than Sarah is. Based on their respective trance modes, Sarah's Summon changes to Eidolon while Eiko gets Double White Magic.. Though both are from the same Madain Sari

Glad to see some fellow IX enjoyers out here, I wouldn't be so opposed to VII if Square didn't try to take any opportunity to keep shoving it down the people's throats.

If anyone game deserves to be crossed over with FFXIV it'd be IX. Maybe with Dawntrail.. hopefully. That being said Beatrix and Steiner glamour please.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

That's exactly what the job system is. The job titles don't have to spelled out for you in the menu screen for the game to be classified as a FF with an intact job system. Based on abilities, weapons, and even personalities, you know Vivi is a Black Mage, Zidane is a Thief, Steiner is a Knight/Paladin, Beatrix is a Paladin, Dagger is a White Mage, Eiko a summoner, Freya a Dragoon, etc.
Not only are their jobs mentioned in dialogue throughout the game and stated in their lore, they are also arguably some of the best representations of Final Fantasy's iconic jobs. If Dagger's callback wearing the WHM robe when she flees the castle keep doesn't say this, I don't know what does.

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Except for Amarant, who's basically a red mage, but you'd never guess by looking at him. And Quina the blue mage, but how would you call them at all?

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Originally Posted by Gemina

FFIX is what I perceive to be a true Final Fantasy game in the sense that it focuses more on being an RPG than an anime fan service like VII. There really isn't a main character, but each character has a distinctive path they follow and personal goals/hardships, a true job system focusing on heavy D&D elements, a compelling villain with clear motives, and a phenomenal story with plenty of comic relief and a fantastic ending to wave off severe depression. IX was nearly perfect. It fumbled a bit with Necron as the insert last boss, and a Kuja redemption arc, but I personally forgive it.

That game definitely has a special place with me.

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I largely agree with your post but how is FFVII "anime fan service" ?

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Eiko is more White Mage than Sarah is. Based on their respective trance modes, Sarah's Summon changes to Eidolon while Eiko gets Double White Magic.. Though both are from the same Madain Sari

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Potato/potata. Like you said, both are from the same village and can summon Eidolons along with using curative magic. But instead of making them identical they made one more offensive and the other more supportive. I just mentioned that Garnet is more representative due to wearing the iconic WHM robe to conceal her identity during her escape. I admit to a small bias as WHM has always been one of my favorite jobs and Garnet is more memorable to me than Eiko.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Except for Amarant, who's basically a red mage, but you'd never guess by looking at him. And Quina the blue mage, but how would you call them at all?

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More or less through their abilities. I mean, Quina's main hand was a spoon, but BLU has never really had a distinctive weapon. It has changed from game to game. The point remains the same, and each of them had a distinctive 'job' within the party, even if a bit ambiguous among classic FF jobs.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

I largely agree with your post but how is FFVII "anime fan service" ?

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Oh man, how is it not? Anime is essentially action/RPG, which is what VII leans towards. Even more so with later iterations of it such as Crisis Core, Remake, and Rebirth.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Anime is essentially action/RPG, which is what VII leans towards.

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Hmm, I could see the Remake series being defined as an Action RPG but OG FFVII isn't any more of an Action RPG than FFIX. They use the same battle system.

Unless by action/RPG you meant it just has a lot of action, which also would apply to every other entry in the series.

Not trying to argue I'm just trying to understand what you mean. I haven't heard that description of the game before.

EDIT: This was my 666th post HAIL DIABOLOS!

Oh yeah shinra trooper outfits would be cool too. Love those helmets.

I'd also like to see Galbadian soldier glamours from FF8 too.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

That's exactly what the job system is. The job titles don't have to spelled out for you in the menu screen for the game to be classified as a FF with an intact job system. Based on abilities, weapons, and even personalities, you know Vivi is a Black Mage, Zidane is a Thief, Steiner is a Knight/Paladin, Beatrix is a Paladin, Dagger is a White Mage, Eiko a summoner, Freya a Dragoon, etc.
Not only are their jobs mentioned in dialogue throughout the game and stated in their lore, they are also arguably some of the best representations of Final Fantasy's iconic jobs. If Dagger's callback wearing the WHM robe when she flees the castle keep doesn't say this, I don't know what does.

FF games without a job system are games like VI, VII, and VIII where aside from some niche innate skills, everyone can learn everything if enough game time is put in. Making them all essentially the same. One of the reasons why IX was so refreshing was because it returned what made FF games great in the first place.

I am definitely not confusing this title with something else. It's one of my favorite games of all time.

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Then what you're confused about is what Job System means in Final Fantasy context. It means you can change your Job. It's used to describe the systems in games like III, V, X-2, XI, XIV, etc. Characters in IX have assigned Jobs but it's not a Job System because they can't change from those jobs.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Then what you're confused about is what Job System means in Final Fantasy context. It means you can change your Job. It's used to describe the systems in games like III, V, X-2, XI, XIV, etc. Characters in IX have assigned Jobs but it's not a Job System because they can't change from those jobs.

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No, I'm not. I am well versed in what FF jobs and the job system are, and that should be pretty clear based off my statements thus far in this thread. I never said games like III, V, X-2, XI, and XIV do, or do not have job systems. You are trying to state that FFIX does not have a job system. Sorry, but this is just wrong.

How a job system is structured can vary from one FF game to the next. It most certainly does not mean "you can change your job" specifically. That is just one of several ways the job system has been implemented in some FF games. The bare bones of it simply means jobs are present within the game, and a job is structured to have a certain set of abilities and skills tied to it. That is why I said games like VI, VII, and VIII do not have job systems. At best characters have niche abilities/limit breaks that are based on the weapon they are using, which is exclusive to them. This is not enough to constitute an actual job, though.

To elaborate further, in a game like VII, every single character can learn restorative magic such as Cure. In a game like IX only Garnet and Eiko can use these abilities. Other types of curative skills such as White Wind do not count. Same concepts can be applied to other skills such as Climhazzard, Steal/Mug, Firaga/Blizzaga/Thundaga, Meteor, etc.

IOW, tl:dr? In order to "change your job" in the first place, what a job is has to be established in order to even be able to change to it.

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki...nal_Fantasy_IX

only if they actually gave us tifa's outfit and hairstyle + reno hairstyle & a red XIII mount. otherwise no

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No, I'm not. I am well versed in what FF jobs and the job system are, and that should be pretty clear based off my statements thus far in this thread. I never said games like III, V, X-2, XI, and XIV do, or do not have job systems. You are trying to state that FFIX does not have a job system. Sorry, but this is just wrong.

How a job system is structured can vary from one FF game to the next. It most certainly does not mean "you can change your job" specifically. That is just one of several ways the job system has been implemented in some FF games. The bare bones of it simply means jobs are present within the game, and a job is structured to have a certain set of abilities and skills tied to it. That is why I said games like VI, VII, and VIII do not have job systems. At best characters have niche abilities/limit breaks that are based on the weapon they are using, which is exclusive to them. This is not enough to constitute an actual job, though.

To elaborate further, in a game like VII, every single character can learn restorative magic such as Cure. In a game like IX only Garnet and Eiko can use these abilities. Other types of curative skills such as White Wind do not count. Same concepts can be applied to other skills such as Climhazzard, Steal/Mug, Firaga/Blizzaga/Thundaga, Meteor, etc.

IOW, tl:dr? In order to "change your job" in the first place, what a job is has to be established in order to even be able to change to it.

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki...nal_Fantasy_IX

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Jobs aren't just spells. What's the iconic ability that Dragoons have? What can Cid HIGHWIND in VII do and nobody else can? He is 100% a Dragoon, whether he can cast other abilities because of materia or not.

Cloud is a Fighter, Tifa is a Monk, Aerith is a White Mage, Cid is a Dragoon, Yuffie is a Ninja, Barret and Vincent would probably be Machinists now, Cait Sith is mostly a Gambler.

And you say VI doesn't have Jobs but we're getting a Job in the next expansion that is unique from that game.

You don't have to hate on other Final Fantasy entries or somehow imply they're lesser to prop your favorite up. I love IX. I'm not a fan of VII. But VII is just as much a Final Fantasy game and a solid JRPG and not "anime fan service" as IX is.

And since we're posting links:

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Job_system

Also nearly everyone in IX is some flavor of multiclass.

Garnet and Eiko have abilities from white mage and summoner
Zidane is a thief but also a spellcaster
Freya is mosty dragoon with some fighter
Amarant is a monk and a red mage
Quina is a blue mage which already is a hodgepodge

The only two that could be argued to be "pure" are Vivi as a black mage and Steiner as a fighter. But even Vivi can learn the Healer ability.

FFXVI sold very well.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Also nearly everyone in IX is some flavor of multiclass.

Garnet and Eiko have abilities from white mage and summoner
Zidane is a thief but also a spellcaster
Freya is mosty dragoon with some fighter
Amarant is a monk and a red mage
Quina is a blue mage which already is a hodgepodge

The only two that could be argued to be "pure" are Vivi as a black mage and Steiner as a fighter. But even Vivi can learn the Healer ability.

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And Steiner use magic blades when Vivi is in the party, so not even him is "pure"