Direct Hit is just diet Crit

No sane player builds it over Critical hit. Why should the meta be so rigid? Why not make DH affect proc rate? For proc focused builds starting out with a base percentage is great, but why leave it a fixed percentage when DH could easily contribute to strategic variety by affecting the rate at which a skill procs an effect? An added 25% damage every so often is redundant and could be funneled back into crit and rebalanced.

If the tier bonus is balanced to always be an additive percentage of a skill's base chance, then it could give players more incentive to stack Direct Hit. That way the gear stat curve also doesn't neglect an aspect of the kit as the stats rocket upwards in later content.

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No sane player builds it over Critical hit. Why should the meta be so rigid? Why not make DH affect proc rate? For proc focused builds starting out with a base percentage is great, but why leave it a fixed percentage when DH could easily contribute to strategic variety by affecting the rate at which a skill procs an effect? An added 25% damage every so often is redundant and could be funneled back into crit and rebalanced.

If the tier bonus is balanced to always be an additive percentage of a skill's base chance, then it could give players more incentive to stack Direct Hit. That way the gear stat curve also doesn't neglect an aspect of the kit as the stats rocket upwards in later content.

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The more variables for damage you add, the more difficult is will be to balance the game, i agree that stats in Ff14 are boring or worse, useless (piety, tenacity)
The game is made in a way that all jobs are viable to clear the content which is a good and bad thing at the same time.

Because DH is the direct replacement to Accuracy much like Tenacity is for Parry.

They could remove it but then will have to do so with every piece of equipment.

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Because DH is the direct replacement to Accuracy much like Tenacity is for Parry.

They could remove it but then will have to do so with every piece of equipment.

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They don't need to remove it. They just need to revamp it.

Actually, Piety and Tenacity have such low value that every Tank and Healer avoid that as much as possible. The answer ? It doesn't provide DPS (Well, it does for Tenacity, but not to the extent of Determination, which is way more valuable.)

I think that Determination should be a DPS only stat and make Piety and Tenacity quite the same as today (Just add damage and heal increase to Piety). Of course, the % of damage increase would be much more consistent on DPS, because it's their main purpose. Tenacity would stack greatly too, but too a much lesser extent since it's also reduce damage income a little, and Piety will be the worst in term of pure Damage increase (Because healer are the weakest in term of DPS)

Crit always increase both Chance and Damage when you up it, making it an exponential stat. That means if you don't have any, it is the ultimate garbage, but if you have a lot it's a godly stat.

DH is a linear stat, because only the chance increase when you up that stat. But the function behind it is literraly the old critical damage we had on older game. I think Direct Hit should have a different effect than just a +25% damage up. Maybe something like a second attack (with reduced damage) added (on which Crit could also occur, but each hit is independant) (This is a crappy idea of course, I'm aware. We just need more thinking about this).

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Why not make DH affect proc rate? For proc focused builds starting out with a base percentage is great, but why leave it a fixed percentage when DH could easily contribute to strategic variety by affecting the rate at which a skill procs an effect? An added 25% damage every so often is redundant and could be funneled back into crit and rebalanced.

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Increasing proc for DH is a terrrible idea because only a few class depends on proc, like BRD or DNC. This would be a crappy stat for 80% of the possible class you play.

For as long as DH is not exclusive to actual DPS jobs, tanks and healers will still meld DH. Funny how Tenacity and Piety are exclusive to their respective jobs but DH isn't.

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For as long as DH is not exclusive to actual DPS jobs, tanks and healers will still meld DH. Funny how Tenacity and Piety are exclusive to their respective jobs but DH isn't.

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Ho yeah, they can do it that way too. This will also make a greater difference between a DPS's damage and a Tank Damage. DPS need an exclusive stat that will make them different from the rest.

CH should increase chance to crit and DH should increase crit damage when you get the crit

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Increasing proc for DH is a terrrible idea because only a few class depends on proc, like BRD or DNC. This would be a crappy stat for 80% of the possible class you play.

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BRD & DNC depend on proc for a significant portion of their kit. Don't forget about MCH. This sets up all the physical ranged classes to utilize procs. Yet other classes could benefit too. BLM has Thundercloud & Firestarter, RDM has Stone and Fire for resource generation. WHM has freecure. They tried giving AST that enhanced benefic, but no one cares because it's locked behind basic benefic. And these are just what's already in the game.

I'd argue that there are many other classes that COULD benefit from a proc mechanic that could shortcut some of their rotation or add a strategic niche for more creative synergies in gameplay. Especially beneficial for classes that otherwise lack complexity. Before people start complaining about homogenization, not every class has to utilize procs for the same purposes. Possibilities for proc effects could literally include anything. To name a few beyond just damage, mobility, duration extension, resource generation, cast time reduction, cooldown reset, shields, vulnerability, mitigation, heals, aoe, interrupts, and status effects in general, because in my honest and unwavering opinion, some of them could really come back through proc mechanics without breaking the game (slows, stuns, and binds).

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BRD & DNC depend on proc for a significant portion of their kit. Don't forget about MCH. This sets up all the physical ranged classes to utilize procs. Yet other classes could benefit too. BLM has Thundercloud & Firestarter, RDM has Stone and Fire for resource generation. WHM has freecure. They tried giving AST that enhanced benefic, but no one cares because it's locked behind basic benefic. And these are just what's already in the game.

I'd argue that there are many other classes that COULD benefit from a proc mechanic that could shortcut some of their rotation or add a strategic niche for more creative synergies in gameplay. Especially beneficial for classes that otherwise lack complexity. Before people start complaining about homogenization, not every class has to utilize procs for the same purposes. Possibilities for proc effects could literally include anything. To name a few beyond just damage, mobility, duration extension, resource generation, cast time reduction, cooldown reset, shields, vulnerability, mitigation, heals, aoe, interrupts, and status effects in general, because in my honest and unwavering opinion, some of them could really come back through proc mechanics without breaking the game (slows, stuns, and binds).

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Why are you acting like freecure is any more remotely useful than critfic, they are equally as useless as each other and freecure still bring in the game is functionally only for coils which critfic really isn’t much worse at achieving

Regardless shields, heals and mitigations should never rely on procs, lady of crowns is already bad enough

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BRD & DNC depend on proc for a significant portion of their kit. Don't forget about MCH. This sets up all the physical ranged classes to utilize procs. Yet other classes could benefit too. BLM has Thundercloud & Firestarter, RDM has Stone and Fire for resource generation. WHM has freecure. They tried giving AST that enhanced benefic, but no one cares because it's locked behind basic benefic. And these are just what's already in the game.

I'd argue that there are many other classes that COULD benefit from a proc mechanic that could shortcut some of their rotation or add a strategic niche for more creative synergies in gameplay. Especially beneficial for classes that otherwise lack complexity. Before people start complaining about homogenization, not every class has to utilize procs for the same purposes. Possibilities for proc effects could literally include anything. To name a few beyond just damage, mobility, duration extension, resource generation, cast time reduction, cooldown reset, shields, vulnerability, mitigation, heals, aoe, interrupts, and status effects in general, because in my honest and unwavering opinion, some of them could really come back through proc mechanics without breaking the game (slows, stuns, and binds).

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MCH doesn't have procs anymore since the rework. I forgot about BLM and RDM tho, but still. WHM and AST aren't even worth mentionning for that particular mecanic.

If you make all classes works on proc, you will have a huge problem overall. Any benefits you get from procs you mentionned will only lead at huge difference inside each fight. If your team is terribly unlucky you could just not kill a Savage boss just because nobody got the correct proc at the correct time. This is a punishing mecanic by sheer luck for skilled player who will miss a kill just because they are really unlucky. And if SE do that and recalculate the DPS meters to kill the boss, this could also lead to skip of mecanics because the team is incredibly lucky.

BRD, DNC, BLM and RDM should just have their procs removed and reworked completely imo. They need to rework some of their skills so they are actually more playable for a huge portion of player. I know their is talented BRD/BLM/DNC/RDM player outhere but to be honest, i've never encountered a really good bard player. Bard isn't an easy class at all from what I've seen because there is too much thing you have to take care about. Duration of DoT, Number of stack for PP before using EA, Using EA on CD by checking if you have to use PP before or immediatly after, making sure you have a song played at all time, using Apex at 80 or more each time and if possible inside the 2 Minute burst, etc etc... In order to play a bard perfectly, this is hard, and many player just don't bother because procs make the class not rigid at all. So you have to time perfectly what you have in order to be inside the 2 minute burst. The actual Proc version of the bard is really bad with this, cause if you are unlucky, you will have a crappy burst window.

Using procs on anything actually will lead to a complete rework of the game, which will probabbly never happen unless SE is forced to.

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MCH doesn't have procs anymore since the rework. I forgot about BLM and RDM tho, but still. WHM and AST aren't even worth mentionning for that particular mecanic.

If you make all classes works on proc, you will have a huge problem overall. Any benefits you get from procs you mentionned will only lead at huge difference inside each fight. If your team is terribly unlucky you could just not kill a Savage boss just because nobody got the correct proc at the correct time. This is a punishing mecanic by sheer luck for skilled player who will miss a kill just because they are really unlucky. And if SE do that and recalculate the DPS meters to kill the boss, this could also lead to skip of mecanics because the team is incredibly lucky.

BRD, DNC, BLM and RDM should just have their procs removed and reworked completely imo. They need to rework some of their skills so they are actually more playable for a huge portion of player.

Using procs on anything actually will lead to a complete rework of the game, which will probabbly never happen unless SE is forced to.

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I get it, you fear change. I argue that DPS meters to kill should be calculated without the influence of procs. Whereas Procs (and tbh Crits) are bonus luck-based effects, as in there is an inherent variance in their appearance and function. Requiring the player to be lucky to kill is counter to the event of being lucky to begin with. Luck, and therefore procs, should be an opportunity, not a necessity.

Listen, I thought DNC and BRD were too proc heavy too, but people playing those classes *like* procs. I do feel that focus in the class should include more thematic elements. Like if DNC shifted more to weaving and rhythm, or if bard went deeper into the buffs.

Black Mage is perfect in that its proc mechanic doesn't overpower the other elements of its kit. It does have a force-proc mechanic, and the Procs are all instant cast. It makes it perfect to use in between casts of an ability with virtually no lost time. This enables players to do actions at double time, which fits better into the window of damage buffs and cast time buffs (ley lines). You might see more investment into Lucky DH variations if the thunder proc rate could be enhanced

Dancer goes way into proc-of-the-proc, which frankly no one can sell me on. However its characteristic weaving of fan dance between its combo adds double-time with the damage. A lucky hit version of DH would enable the proc flow to increase. My wish? give em access to all 4 abilities and make the combo order randomly determined but telegraphed in advance with something similar to an arrow. And make fan dance proc off of successes. Like thematically dancers are always counting rhythm. One-and-two-and-three-and-four-and. Usually in 8 counts.

I can't speak for Bard.

There's an entire community out there for theorycrafting. The moment they change something, they'll do their testing and figure out the new meta. If stacking determination is suddenly better than crit and increases your DPS by 0.1%, people will dump crit and go with determination instead.

Same thing when they change anything. People figure out what the new best gear/rotation/melds/strategy and everyone mimics that.

I almost miss the early days of MMOs when all of this information wasn't readily at your fingertips. There was more mystery to the game. But, who am I kidding? I don't have that kind of time anymore.

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There's an entire community out there for theorycrafting. The moment they change something, they'll do their testing and figure out the new meta. If stacking determination is suddenly better than crit and increases your DPS by 0.1%, people will dump crit and go with determination instead.

Same thing when they change anything. People figure out what the new best gear/rotation/melds/strategy and everyone mimics that.

I almost miss the early days of MMOs when all of this information wasn't readily at your fingertips. There was more mystery to the game. But, who am I kidding? I don't have that kind of time anymore.

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This is what I feel deep in my heart is the next evolution of gameplay. Strategic diversity. It doesn't matter to me when someone says "best in slot". They very concept of 'best in slot" should be avoided at all costs. It instead should be, what is best to suit the needs of the situation. Fights that repeat one standard pattern you have to memorize are cool, but like... other things can be difficult too. When is something a unique advantage? When is that advantage a liability?

Lately raids seem to be investing heavily in rote memorization. The kit of each class at present is configured to support balance in ability to complete the singular objective of mostly stationary combat. If we had enemies that were constantly on the move. It would make situations where you had to fight and race at the same time. How would each class be able to adapt? Like what if sub roles were formally acknowledged? Wouldn't that revolutionize everything too?

You already see it a glimpse with dungeons. Having the tank rush through while the healer blows everything to keep the horde from annihilating them. That's the part of dungeons that I enjoy actually. Basic enemies aren't just the flavor text for a boss fight. It's a test of ability knowledge and speed of execution. If you had to chase or kite the boss for the entire fight, that would be SO COOL. This shift is just one of many that would enable more possibility, not less. Balance should be merely the scaffold of strategic combat. Everyone wants equality, but like... there's room for innovation. Some people will be pissed off if the sun comes up in the morning. Ideas should be refined by disagreement.

What about if a boss tries to escape and regens out of combat? Or if you had to fight it in two very distant places? How would each class accomplish that? Which classes would excel, which would lag behind?

What if some mages had more extreme range? Like 40 yalms or so and you had to hunt them down? You already see players having to deal with this in PvP. Pop the healer, try to not get pinned down by the tank, don't let the enemy DPS reach the back line. There's more than one way to deal with a situation, we shouldn't corral everyone into the same strategy or build.

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Strategic diversity. It doesn't matter to me when someone says "best in slot". They very concept of 'best in slot" should be avoided at all costs. It instead should be, what is best to suit the needs of the situation. Fights that repeat one standard pattern you have to memorize are cool, but like... other things can be difficult too. When is something a unique advantage? When is that advantage a liability?

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The game's encounters would have to be redesigned from a fundamental level for a "best in situation" scenario instead of a "best in slot".

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Lately raids seem to be investing heavily in rote memorization.

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Lately? Rote memorization of an encounter is all this game has ever been. Nothing really is truly "random" in this game in this aspect.

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The kit of each class at present is configured to support balance in ability to complete the singular objective of mostly stationary combat. If we had enemies that were constantly on the move. It would make situations where you had to fight and race at the same time. How would each class be able to adapt? Like what if sub roles were formally acknowledged? Wouldn't that revolutionize everything too?

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I dunno where you've been. What game do you think you have been playing? This is how it's always been. This is fundamentally how the devs have wanted to design this game. I don't see them changing that anytime soon.

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You already see it a glimpse with dungeons. Having the tank rush through while the healer blows everything to keep the horde from annihilating them. That's the part of dungeons that I enjoy actually.

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This is the most boring-est part of dungeons.

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If you had to chase or kite the boss for the entire fight, that would be SO COOL.

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That would be lame, everyone would be complaining about loss of uptime and MUH DEEPS.

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Everyone wants equality, but like... there's room for innovation. Some people will be pissed off if the sun comes up in the morning. Ideas should be refined by disagreement.

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You'd better bribe a lot of devs then to change how they think, esp Yoshi-P.

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we shouldn't corral everyone into the same strategy or build.

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This idea that somehow everyone should be special doesn't fit into the way this game is currently built. Go play a single player game if you want this kind of variety. Even then most people playing will just look up the fastest/best way to play anyways there too. lol

The ONLY THING that matters in this game right now when it comes to encounters is PLAYER SKILL. Dying to mechanics? You're not good enough. Hitting enrage? you're not good enough. No unique build should be able to compensate for that. That's the way the devs have always thought about this game.

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They don't need to remove it. They just need to revamp it.

Actually, Piety and Tenacity have such low value that every Tank and Healer avoid that as much as possible. The answer ? It doesn't provide DPS (Well, it does for Tenacity, but not to the extent of Determination, which is way more valuable.)

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Indeed it all comes down to DPS.
For tanks, the solution would be actually rather simple (assuming no complexe rework of function).
Increasing its mitigation effectiveness while, at the same time, increasing boss AA in such a way that a tank going full tenacity would take significantly less AA than a tank that had none. If you crank up the numbers high enough (and make bosses do, either very hard hitting AA or plenty of smaller TB), you can reach a point where healer might need to actually spend GCD on the tank to keep them alive. If they do it often enough, then can become a dps gain because you make healer heal you less.


However I do not believe going from "Tenacity is utter trash" to "Tenacity stack is mandatory" is a good solution, we're just changing which stat is useless.

An interesting sweet spot could be to have "some" tenacity as to reduces bosses damage enough to actually survive properly and not require constant healers attention (and thus, dps loss through the use of gcd heals).

Obviously, the tenacity effect would need to be drastically increased and the boss damage as well to reach this state.

For healers, piety shouldn't affect the mp economy as
First, linking mp economy to a state makes it entirely useless once the extra mp are unnecessary, so at is currently is. A stat that goes from "100% necessary" to "100% useless" once a threshold is passed is a bad stat. Currently, the amount of piety required is 0.
Second, it would make for a horrible gameplay experience. Let say we'd need to have 500 for a job to be able to DPS nonstop in order to not run oom in a 10min fight.
Any extra costy healing (shield, rez) disturb the balance, making the healer mp too low for the rest of fight, forcing it to stop dpsing as stoping healing would obviously be worse. This results in poor gameplay experience. If more piety is stacked to avoid this problem, we go back to problem one, the extra piety is useless.

It's a circular problem. Currently, piety works fine because it is 100% useless. Therefor, beside being annoying to see on gear, we stack 0 and still have plenty of mp.

To make piety viable, they'd need to make it work like tenacity, but with something that might actually be usefull. So increasing healing and 80% of damage of determination. If the values aren't too low. Some piety could end up being desirable. If your healers can increase their healing by 15-20% by sacrificing only 1-2% of their dps, fight with tight healing check could see this being a viable strategy.

Obviously, that's assuming we'd want to keep those two stats.
Making tenacity and piety stats that you "want a little but not too much" would be a very difficult thing to achieve I feel. The gain is tbh very minor at the risk of throwing off balance.

Determination could indeed be a DPS only stat, however we're back to the same problem. Unless DH is also a dps only stat, we'd have tank and healer stack crit dh (and ss for healers) and avoid tenacity and piety.
The only real solution would either be to remove those two stats or simply buff them to the roof. Piety would, at the very very least, need the tenacity treatment regarding damage.

The changes to stats I would like to see

Critical hit rating now only affects critical hit chance, how hard crits becomes standardized, critical hit damage is now indicated by two exclamation points (crit!!)

Skill speed, and spell speed get merged into a singular haste stat

Determination is kinda boring, but should more or less stay the same by providing bonus damage, and healing potency

Direct hit should increase the potency of critical hits for DPS jobs only, visually bold direct hits, and critical direct hits get removed

Tenacity should be buffed so its damage multiplier is equal to determination as well as increasing its mitigation bonus

Piety needs an overhaul. Piety should provide bonus damage equal to determination, and should reduce the cast, and recast of any spell with a cure potency attached to it including damage spells that have healing attached to them, and works on top of haste

I would like to argue the following:

1. Healing from Determination to be moved to Piety since it is a Healer-exclusive stat.
2. Remove damage dealt from Tenacity and make the mitigation even more potent.
3. Damage increase from Determination be buffed.
4. MP regen from Piety is removed.
5. Introduce an interaction between Critical and Tenacity that further reduces the damage received by the tank... much like how Critical Hit will have its interaction to Direct Hit and to some extent Piety for more potent critical heals.

Removing the damage up for tenacity makes it even more of a useless stat to the point people will actively run lower level gear to avoid it like people currently do on piety

Crit heals are also a terrible design because you can’t balance your healing plan around them, it’s why everyone hates lady of crowns

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Removing the damage up for tenacity makes it even more of a useless stat to the point people will actively run lower level gear to avoid it like people currently do on piety

Crit heals are also a terrible design because you can’t balance your healing plan around them, it’s why everyone hates lady of crowns

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It's time for the devs to take some risks for Tenacity. If my math is correct, the soft cap from defense (both physical and magical), not including active mitigation from tanks, is at 40%. Tenacity when maxed out sits at around ~10%. Please correct me on that.. I know it's wrong. If its weight increased so that it is 1/3 of what defense from gear does... using the above case mitigation from Tenacity would be 20%. Of course further balancing needs to be done. But the gist of it is that if they want Tanks to care about Tenacity, make its value worth the investment.

Crit Spreadlo and to some extent crit Euk Prog/Diag will benefit from crit heals.

Edit.. yes I mentioned 20% since 40% + 20% = 60%... 20% is 1/3 of 60%.

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It's time for the devs to take some risks for Tenacity. If my math is correct, the soft cap from defense (both physical and magical), not including active mitigation from tanks, is at 40%. Tenacity when maxed out sits at around ~10%. Please correct me on that.. I know it's wrong. If its weight increased so that it is 1/3 of what defense from gear does... using the above case mitigation from Tenacity would be 20%. Of course further balancing needs to be done. But the gist of it is that if they want Tanks to care about Tenacity, make its value worth the investment.

Crit Spreadlo and to some extent crit Euk Prog/Diag will benefit from crit heals.

Edit.. yes I mentioned 20% since 40% + 20% = 60%... 20% is 1/3 of 60%.

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Critlo if you want it you just force it with recitation, crit diagnosis is completely useless and doesn’t even need to be in the game

Attempting to make tenacity useful would require retooling of almost the entire game because to make it useful you would have to make the current tank kits with zero tenacity unable to survive, even then this probably would mostly get externalised to the shield healer anyway

Hence, I stated to some extent for SGE. SCH would be the only healer that can fully utilize crit healing. This makes the other healers less reliant on Crit. There are plenty of ways to "diversify" healing. You are an advocate to that, as far as I am concerned.

As for tenacity, SE has always been forward with how they balance the game. Old content has been an after thought in terms of considering when (re)designing the jobs. With this in mind, what's the probability of having a Holminster Switch jump of difficulty for heal and tank checks come Dawntrail?

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Hence, I stated to some extent for SGE. SCH would be the only healer that can fully utilize crit healing. This makes the other healers less reliant on Crit. There are plenty of ways to "diversify" healing. You are an advocate to that, as far as I am concerned.

As for tenacity, SE has always been forward with how they balance the game. Old content has been an after thought in terms of considering when (re)designing the jobs. With this in mind, what's the probability of having a Holminster Switch jump of difficulty for heal and tank checks come Dawntrail?

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SCH doesn’t really “use” crit healing it’s just that there is only 2 skills in the game that actually have a different different effect if they crit and only one healer has the ability to force skills to crit. Actual RNG critting of any heal that’s not been forced to crit with recitation can never actually be properly balanced around (it’s why recitation is probably SCH’s strongest skill) at worse it’s pointless overheal, at best it’s the “oh I guess that’s fine” sort of feeling you get when you are spamming e diagnosis on the tank and it crit giving you a bit of breathing room

Either you give every healer a recitation equivalent and change the nature of certain heals to utilise it (which both invalidates the suggestion of stats that increase crit chance and also removes one of SCH’s strongest niches) or you basically leave crit heals as they currently are, wasteful at worst. Pointless at best

As for tenacity sure they don’t explicitly balance old content but if you are going to change tenacity that drastically you run the risk of either

A) a singly pull doing mt gulg pentapull damage if the alignment is wrong (basically a worse version of old bardems mettle) or
B) mt gulg pentapull is ends up doing as much damage as current single pull

You would really need to tweak almost the entire game to not have it break the vast majority of old content in one way or another

Call me selfish but I don't like every healer to get an Excog Recitation equivalent. Aside from the pet, being able to deploy a big shield reliably is what drives me to continue to love SCH. I do see your point on crit heals usually goes to waste due to overhealing and is unreliable. To address that, make other healers rely on something else that is reliable. Just keep the crit shield deployment to SCH.

Going back to Tenacity, we might get another round of damage pruning that will trivialize old content, further. Also, isn't it that every start of a new expansion, defense/crit/speed scaling soft resets to a base value? That also explains the sudden difficulty spike. I don't see any reason for them to go back and redo every content when the calculation soft resets at the beginning of DT.

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The game's encounters would have to be redesigned from a fundamental level for a "best in situation" scenario instead of a "best in slot".

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Lately? Rote memorization of an encounter is all this game has ever been. Nothing really is truly "random" in this game in this aspect.

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Point still stands. Adaptation is growth. The existing parameters only challenge specific forms of intelligence.

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I dunno where you've been. What game do you think you have been playing? This is how it's always been. This is fundamentally how the devs have wanted to design this game. I don't see them changing that anytime soon.

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They Certainly Can.

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This is the most boring-est part of dungeons.

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SHOULD IT BE?

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That would be lame, everyone would be complaining about loss of uptime and MUH DEEPS.

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Not if other aspects of the game shift to compensate. (Range increases, Slidecast windows, movement abilities)

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You'd better bribe a lot of devs then to change how they think, esp Yoshi-P.

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I'm sure developers are trying to combat stagnation, but if they want description down to the minutiae I will give it.

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This idea that somehow everyone should be special doesn't fit into the way this game is currently built. Go play a single player game if you want this kind of variety. Even then most people playing will just look up the fastest/best way to play anyways there too. lol

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I'm not saying people have to be "special". I'm saying this game is prescriptive about fine tuning via materia. One singular advantage (crit), and many other negligible effects. If the devs made other stats less USELESS, then we'd have to actually make smarter decisions. ALSO Precedent of multiplayer games with strategic diversity: Monster Hunter World, Warframe, Destiny 2, WoW, Diablo 4, Borderlands 3. Go find another thread if you want to be this petty.

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The ONLY THING that matters in this game right now when it comes to encounters is PLAYER SKILL. Dying to mechanics? You're not good enough. Hitting enrage? you're not good enough. No unique build should be able to compensate for that. That's the way the devs have always thought about this game.

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No, the only thing that matters is player knowledge. Bosses will one shot you, and it's not because you're good, it's because they're designed to one shot you. Figuring that out is the first step, everything else is about being able to move and remember. If you can meet those conditions, the rest should be up to the comforts of your own design.

I like the addition of Direct Hit, I mean a Big Number that goes now with !! instead of !, that's Cool.
But as a Samurai Player with the guaranteed Crit without Kaiten we only really do the lvl50 Rotation for 40lvls. They could've make Kaiten turn the following Weaponskill do Direct Hit Damage, thus rewarding good resource management with every Big Attack also doing Big looking Damage but, they just removed it and now we have Kenki to spam Shinten :/

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Originally Posted by eldritchAvatar

No sane player builds it over Critical hit. Why should the meta be so rigid? Why not make DH affect proc rate? For proc focused builds starting out with a base percentage is great, but why leave it a fixed percentage when DH could easily contribute to strategic variety by affecting the rate at which a skill procs an effect? An added 25% damage every so often is redundant and could be funneled back into crit and rebalanced.

If the tier bonus is balanced to always be an additive percentage of a skill's base chance, then it could give players more incentive to stack Direct Hit. That way the gear stat curve also doesn't neglect an aspect of the kit as the stats rocket upwards in later content.

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Overall, XIV stats are pretty bland to the state of asking "what's even the point of having customizable stats?" if straying from the norm impacts severely your performance.

Honestly, Sks/Sps are the only actual interesting stats because you visibly see a (moderate) change in how you play your jobs, and guess what? It's a bad option for most of the jobs. Every other stat just impacts the number you see on your screen, and barely, given how much visual clutter, do you even notice big crits?

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Originally Posted by TabrisOmbrelame

BRD, DNC, BLM and RDM should just have their procs removed and reworked completely imo. They need to rework some of their skills so they are actually more playable for a huge portion of player.

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BLM being hard has nothing to do with the proc. You have 85% chance to get a proc by sheer luck and you're suppose, usually, to put dynamisation to reach 100% so really, the proc is a non issue.

BRD/DNC/RDM are proc based, but the proc chance is so high that over an entire fight it's totally normalised.
RDM combo cost rework also helped a lot as to avoid over/under capping by basically allowing you to have up to twice as much as single combo.
JoltII vs Earth/Fire is only 20 potency and 1 extra mana point. If you properly use swift cast and acceleration, you don't cast that many JoltII and an unlucky run vs a lucky one would be as trivial as having an extra crit+dh on 1-2 skills over the course of a fight. Sure, it would change a few things (especially if you aim at 100%perf) but as this point, you might want to also remove crit entirely because this would have a bigger impact overall.

Like they're fine. Procs aren't the problem on those jobs.

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Originally Posted by TabrisOmbrelame

Crit always increase both Chance and Damage when you up it, making it an exponential stat. That means if you don't have any, it is the ultimate garbage, but if you have a lot it's a godly stat.

DH is a linear stat, because only the chance increase when you up that stat. But the function behind it is literraly the old critical damage we had on older game. I think Direct Hit should have a different effect than just a +25% damage up. Maybe something like a second attack (with reduced damage) added (on which Crit could also occur, but each hit is independant) (This is a crappy idea of course, I'm aware. We just need more thinking about this).

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This then just becomes a game of math. Can the crit stat reliably beat the DH stat? If not, go full DH, if yes, go full crit. It will involve an easy number treshold.
Therefor adding complexity that i think just isnt needed as it doesnt benefit anyone.

You want a simple system. As anything more difficult will as a result most players having suboptimal gear, making content harder for you. Adding damage to piety is on that simple as it just changes the materia priorities, and then remains the same for all. No strange tresholds to consider then, but piety does have a side effect that can make it mandatory: spell speed. The more you cast, the faster you burn mana, and therefor need piety to cover. So if we can do something here, piety might not need any damage.

I think spell speed/skill speed are the 2 stats that need more attention. These are far more awkward as they rely on tresholds far more and have near insignificant results (0.02s on a 2.5 gcd is still less than a percent of value, yet 72 points on your crit stat of 2000 is already a 3.5% increase in just its number). The scaling here does a quite bad job, yet would otherwise be the most reliable stat to compete against crit as its scaling is potentialy also exponential (if the removed GCD portion scales linearly downward, the more you get, the more bonus value you generate).
And these used to actualy be able to compete with crit on jobs like blm.

And yes, if this works well, we will get a more complex case as now you need to find a balanced value. Which might not be what we want. But spell/skill speed has a side effect that might not be noticed: it can make uptime easier during mechanics. This makes it a far more personal thing making it less strict to be optimal. Only in ultimate (where things are strict) these strict values can then matter, which is exactly where we want this.