New Shatter feels awful

I just got out of my first time playing Shatter since the changes and it feels absolutely awful. They made it lean away from the Macro elements it had before of trying to pick up the smaller nodes when they came up between bigger nodes and made it more Teamfight based by constantly having big nodes with nothing to go for in between while ALSO reducing points from kills. Shatter has never been the Team Deathmatch mode, since we don't have one and quite frankly it'd likely be boring at the scale we have frontlines (Feast was better for that), but now it just feels like they WANT us to have constant team fights over big points and with kills giving less value and the small points all spawning ONCE and never again it feels like unless a team snowballs it'll always run into the timer which never feels like a satisfying way to end a game. Our Frontlines modes are already in a weird spot with Seal Rock being King of the Hill and Onsal Hakair being similar but different (this feels like the mode team fighting and skirmishes are best suited for), Shatter was always left in a weird spot.
I'm no heavy PvP grinder but I enjoy my Frontlines roulettes and PvP rewards and this just doesn't feel remotely fun. I don't literally need to fight another player to enjoy PvP, especially since Team Objectives allow Jobs to be more interesting in their applications rather than everyone grab a Job with giant AOE's and call it a day, but this just doesn't feel fun or interesting and the older Shatter at least felt nice to play with being able to secure the small nodes or contribute to the team fights around big points. I hope they take this feedback and at least revert it or make better changes because these recent ones were definitely not the right ones.

I have to disagree, it require different tactics for all now, before it was just getting Battlehigh on each map type using questionable means to do it...

As for shatter it is even better that way, especially because two big ones is open at the same time pretty much, it really start to ask questions to putting down some real strategy, who to hit and when.. and will the opponent do it as well and who get clapped in the sandwich.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

I have to disagree, it require different tactics for all now, before it was just getting Battlehigh on each map type using questionable means to do it...

As for shatter it is even better that way, especially because two big ones is open at the same time pretty much, it really start to ask questions to putting down some real strategy, who to hit and when.. and will the opponent do it as well and who get clapped in the sandwich.

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Tactics? Like what? Avoiding PvP because its a net loss in 90% of matches to be building battle high over hitting ice? Theres even LESS tactics in the new Shatter Rework. You can literally predict where the ice spawns - there is ZERO strategy, its the same rotation every single round. The previous versions of shatter were superior because PvP was rewarded, and encouraged even, so what "questionable" means are you referring to? Premades? Because premades are more of a problem on Onsal, and Seal rock, than they ever were on any previous versions of Shatter. If you want to solve premading, theres means to do that aside from forcing horrible map reworks on the community that a majority of people hate. All this Shatter Rework did, is make people avoid requeuing every third day.

Frontlines should be for PvP, not playing Mario Party-esque minigames to see which team can pound the ice nodes the fastest. If thats what people are looking for, make a seperate PvP mode for that garbage, and keep it out of our Frontline queues. The only Shatter Rework I want to see is it getting reverted to its pre-EW variants.

Somehow the node change made it worse now.... I feel it got even less pvp now? It is a good thing l figured out how to sleepwalk through it to get my roulette bonus

I liked the old version the most where you couldn't see in advance which nodes are going to spawn and all nodes just spawned once. The newer versions are less fun in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

I have to disagree, it require different tactics for all now, before it was just getting Battlehigh on each map type using questionable means to do it...

As for shatter it is even better that way, especially because two big ones is open at the same time pretty much, it really start to ask questions to putting down some real strategy, who to hit and when.. and will the opponent do it as well and who get clapped in the sandwich.

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i have to disagree, you dont look like someone who played the new map at all.

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Originally Posted by Gigawatt29

I just got out of my first time playing Shatter since the changes and it feels absolutely awful. They made it lean away from the Macro elements it had before of trying to pick up the smaller nodes when they came up between bigger nodes and made it more Teamfight based by constantly having big nodes with nothing to go for in between while ALSO reducing points from kills. Shatter has never been the Team Deathmatch mode, since we don't have one and quite frankly it'd likely be boring at the scale we have frontlines (Feast was better for that), but now it just feels like they WANT us to have constant team fights over big points and with kills giving less value and the small points all spawning ONCE and never again it feels like unless a team snowballs it'll always run into the timer which never feels like a satisfying way to end a game. Our Frontlines modes are already in a weird spot with Seal Rock being King of the Hill and Onsal Hakair being similar but different (this feels like the mode team fighting and skirmishes are best suited for), Shatter was always left in a weird spot.
I'm no heavy PvP grinder but I enjoy my Frontlines roulettes and PvP rewards and this just doesn't feel remotely fun. I don't literally need to fight another player to enjoy PvP, especially since Team Objectives allow Jobs to be more interesting in their applications rather than everyone grab a Job with giant AOE's and call it a day, but this just doesn't feel fun or interesting and the older Shatter at least felt nice to play with being able to secure the small nodes or contribute to the team fights around big points. I hope they take this feedback and at least revert it or make better changes because these recent ones were definitely not the right ones.

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I have not complained about Shattered 2.0 except I don't understand why people just not get the idea on how important Battle High is over first few ice spawns.
Besides that, I don't see any major issue beside I no longer can have my fun of stealing Outpost
Shattered 2.0 by design is favor of casuals like yourself yet you are still not happy
Not every mode need to be On Sal-like, isnt it

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

I have not complained about Shattered 2.0 except I don't understand why people just not get the idea on how important Battle High is over first few ice spawns.
Besides that, I don't see any major issue beside I no longer can have my fun of stealing Outpost
Shattered 2.0 by design is favor of casuals like yourself yet you are still not happy
Not every mode need to be On Sal-like, isnt it

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so youre not gonna explain why its important and instead will snidely call other players bad while providing the most vague and generic feedback, i see

in case people dont know, the leading team after the first set of ice rarely have to fight more than one team to keep their lead since the map chokepoints makes it impossible for them to face two fronts at the time, which provide a very safe way to secure their victory with minimal risks to their ongoing BHs, its a premade paradise, i can say that because i have personal experience with the amount of games i put in in this map by now.

its very easy to point out the flaws of this map, which are very glaring, which make people defending this map look foolish, or they are blatantly ignorant of the experience since ive seen many people complain about this map, or they want to keep riding the premade train, deflecting criticism so they can ride it for longer.

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Originally Posted by Tj_Azzam

so youre not gonna explain why its important and instead will snidely call other players bad while providing the most vague and generic feedback, i see

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Since when casuals = calling people bad?
Every single Frontline/PvP changes are making gameplay more suitable for casual players, it is a fact.
I don'[t think make a statement about fact has anything to do with insulting people
Don't be too woke at this forum, this is not Twitter/X

The 200 points lead from first ice spawn is a joke
Battle High is the key to open the door to victory and it has been that way since last expansion.
Any team don't have Battle High by 3rd round of Ice Spawn will just end up as punch bag.

Map of Shattered 2.0 is not flawed; it is merely designed for casuals so casuals don't need to worry about strategic entry/exit.
People on this forum basically calling everything they don't like as flawed, such a mass mis-used word
I am not defending Shattered 2.0 as by honesty, I can make people screaming in anger in Shattered 1.0 just by myself
Shattered 1.0 is my backyard and i am freely doing what i want to people
Shattered 2.0, my hand is tied by SE but I accepted the change.
Learn and adopt, it is the key

P.S. Please don't brag about number of games you have played in order to put weight in your statement.
You are talking to someone with over 20,000 Frontline games in the pocket on 2 characters

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Since when casuals = calling people bad?

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being arrogant and patronizing while ignoring other people's points is fine i guess xd

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Don't be too woke at this forum, this is not Twitter/X

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lol, lmao even, this is not the own you think it is

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Map of Shattered 2.0 is not flawed; it is merely designed for casuals so casuals don't need to worry about strategic entry/exit.

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"is not flawed! because...it's just not okay!" -proceeds inserts vague reasoning that is blatantly ignorant

casuals often arent organized to do these moves, but premades sure are, and they win easily because of that, you should see how good these chokepoints make it for them, and they dont even need to risk themselves that much since they only need to worry with one team at a time, its just too perfect, im sure casuals are happy with the exprience(that last line was sarcasm).

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

You are talking to someone with over 20,000 Frontline games in the pocket on 2 characters

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in the map, i suppose i made that clear, but i see reading comprehension is not your forte, or also pattern recognition by the looks of it.


hope your enjoying the free wins in the premade train, im sure farming them would be a better time than posting embarrassing responses in the forums.

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Originally Posted by Tj_Azzam

hope your enjoying the free wins in the premade train, im sure farming them would be a better time than posting embarrassing responses in the forums.

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Take a mirror and looking into it
Your every words only showing you are one being aggressive.

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Originally Posted by Tj_Azzam

I have to disagree, you dont look like someone who played the new map at all.

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That is your feedback without context in which makes your below statement even more laughable

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Originally Posted by Tj_Azzam

being arrogant and patronizing while ignoring other people's points is fine i guess xd

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Context, it is important
Where is your context beside bragging on how many games you played in order to put weight into your statement

This is second time you put words into my mouth.
I don't play with premade or Q sync for my two characters
But I do agree it is people's freedom to play with friends and I am not against it.

I also find it strange because I usually don't public support or against premade; not to mention I haven't even brought up premade once in this thread.
Am I dealing with a forum Karen here?

Just FYI, I don't join or against idea of premade and I have dealt with 8 men premade before the changes
I cant help your problem of butt hurt from getting stomped by organized game play when it is already water down.

The point I am making is to tell people learn and adopt like my usual tone.
By all mean, put in effort to bring back Shattered 1.0, I would be more happy.
Unfortunately, SE never reverse changes since FF14 PvP exists

yes its not fun to be stomped by a obvious premade and the pug(the team you are in?) spreading all over the map, or people not caring to win
aka the reasons lowscore third place happens
just break q sync and put premades in their own separate instances(with the amount of folks playing for the battlepass thingy i doubt it will make queue times longer)
this applies to ALL frontline maps not just the new shatter
and a FYI feeding the enemy teams free kills and points is how you lose/get a lowscore third place not a fan of this

i know also bad matchmaking can lead to those things happening if such a thing exists for the frontlines?

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Originally Posted by AriannaStormwake

yes its not fun to be stomped by a obvious premade and the pug(the team you are in?) spreading all over the map, or people not caring to win
aka the reasons lowscore third place happens
just break q sync and put premades in their own separate instances(with the amount of folks playing for the battlepass thingy i doubt it will make queue times longer)
this applies to ALL frontline maps not just the new shatter
and a FYI feeding the enemy teams free kills and points is how you lose/get a lowscore third place not a fan of this

i know also bad matchmaking can lead to those things happening if such a thing exists for the frontlines?

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Not defending Premade but the truth is a good percentage of casuals caused it
There is always casual who said following:
"You don't pay my sub"
"I am just here to gin exp"
"I am just here to do duty roulette"
"Just let (insert name of GC) win so I can get out here quickly"

These casuals ruined the experience of others who want to enjoy Frontline experience because they are lacking the idea to respect others that also joined the mode.
These causals will push those who want to play Frontline and pushed them into corner and form premade
There is no Devs can fix that because this corruption comes within the player community

These type of casuals are the cancer but you can't do anything about it

I expect a PVP game mode to ENCOURAGE people to kill one another AND fight over objectives rather than encouraging them to PVE, without battle high you're relying that the other two teams will never turn on you and without BH you'll most likely get rolled. If you can't see the design flaw that a PVP map is trying to force your hand to ignore PVP and PVE then I don't know what to tell you, I'll let you figure that out

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Not defending Premade but the truth is a good percentage of casuals caused it
There is always casual who said following:
"You don't pay my sub"
"I am just here to gin exp"
"I am just here to do duty roulette"
"Just let (insert name of GC) win so I can get out here quickly"

These casuals ruined the experience of others who want to enjoy Frontline experience because they are lacking the idea to respect others that also joined the mode.
These causals will push those who want to play Frontline and pushed them into corner and form premade
There is no Devs can fix that because this corruption comes within the player community

These type of casuals are the cancer but you can't do anything about it

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shame people intentionally afk
when they remove the rewards for lowscore third losses they gonna start trying to win and thats better

Hitting ice when you are down 500 points is like torture. This mode is garbage. I want to SMASH HEADS. I want to kill. ; ;

I hate you ; ; Please die (in frontlines)

Even if this mode is modified (and if, for example PVP point contribution was again increased, I would be in favour of that) , it would still have objectives, as with all FL modes. None of them are "last man standing".

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

Even if this mode is modified (and if, for example PVP point contribution was again increased, I would be in favour of that) , it would still have objectives, as with all FL modes. None of them are "last man standing".

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Have you ever seen a casino slot tournament? Typically it involves rows of people sitting in front of a machine mashing a button as fast as they can for several minutes. I realized biffing ice in Shatter reminds me of that. I really like objective-based PvP, but there's just something about the ice objectives that turns me off.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Have you ever seen a casino slot tournament? Typically it involves rows of people sitting in front of a machine mashing a button as fast as they can for several minutes. I realized biffing ice in Shatter reminds me of that. I really like objective-based PvP, but there's just something about the ice objectives that turns me off.

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I haven't seen a tournament, just casinos, so I would find the analogy to bit extreme- you're looking at comparing someone spending literally hours at a time in front a slot machine and a 15- 20 minute PVP/PVE encounter.

However, it gets a pretty good image across of how time is spent on the crystals, and I don't know how to improve it- maybe just spawn one big one in the center, to force more PVP? The only games where that woked were once with static factions, not some random alliances thrown together, let alone a 3 alliance mode. Might be fun, who knows.

OP, did you verify your information before making your initial thread? They actually increased the incentive and reward for killing in shatter 2.0

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

I haven't seen a tournament, just casinos, so I would find the analogy to bit extreme- you're looking at comparing someone spending literally hours at a time in front a slot machine and a 15- 20 minute PVP/PVE encounter.

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The rounds of a slot tournament take a few minutes. I'm trying to reel (oof) in my hyperbolic statements.

There are some days that I feel bad for not giving the new Shatter a fair chance. However, it's threads like these that only reaffirms that I made the correct decision when I chose to not touch the map anymore upon the remake.

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Originally Posted by FatCatEnjoyer

OP, did you verify your information before making your initial thread? They actually increased the incentive and reward for killing in shatter 2.0

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I realize you addressed your comment to the OP, however the map design doesn't really incentivize many players to do so.

I thought Shatter kills went from 10-->5 initially then 5-->8 when we all howled about it?

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

I thought Shatter kills went from 10-->5 initially then 5-->8 when we all howled about it?

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Something like that, it was pretty silly, it really removed the PvP incentive. Then they increased it and changed how the small ice spawned, which in theory should increase PvP encounters, but with so many PvE centric players and random parties I think Shatter is just poorly designed.

if it was in a PvP game, it would have a better chance, alliance would probably develop strategies to roam the map for PvP, but it's not so easy here.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

I realize you addressed your comment to the OP, however the map design doesn't really incentivize many players to do so.

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I strongly disagree.
The map now is heavily incentivized players to engage in PvP
First, there will only be two large ice spawns and forces 3rd GC into PvP.
Second, the game is unofficially end when a GC reaches 1400 because leading GC can kill the ice spawn near their location without real contest.
Third, because of second point where game ends at 1400, this means 800 to 1400 range is heavily PvP incentivized and only middle ice spawn has real contest value.

I personally likes Shattered 2.0 more right now than 2 other modes (not as much as Shattered 1.0 of course)
I can always PvP either chokehold at tunnel against attacking GC or go flank GC that is attacking other GC.
Especially, how people behave is very predictable and makes my lonewolf experience decent

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

I strongly disagree.
The map now is heavily incentivized players to engage in PvP
First, there will only be two large ice spawns and forces 3rd GC into PvP.
Second, the game is unofficially end when a GC reaches 1400 because leading GC can kill the ice spawn near their location without real contest.
Third, because of second point where game ends at 1400, this means 800 to 1400 range is heavily PvP incentivized and only middle ice spawn has real contest value.

I personally likes Shattered 2.0 more right now than 2 other modes (not as much as Shattered 1.0 of course)
I can always PvP either chokehold at tunnel against attacking GC or go flank GC that is attacking other GC.
Especially, how people behave is very predictable and makes my lonewolf experience decent

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Looking at the last line in your comment, I'm not surprised that you would disagree, however that also contradicts your first statement - while I could be wrong, my impression is that while some players fall into the lonewolf category, a significant percentage don't for various reasons.

In addition, for various reasons, a number of them aren't intrinsically motivated to PvP (there goes your first case"3rd GC into PvP") , and/or don't understand how the scoring system works, and/or get split during various phase (small spawns), etc.

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Originally Posted by Mistress_Irika

There are some days that I feel bad for not giving the new Shatter a fair chance. However, it's threads like these that only reaffirms that I made the correct decision when I chose to not touch the map anymore upon the remake.

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It's somewhat ok now, there's pvp. But on bad odds you might still get the ice licking alliance, in which case I just take the penalty. The odds are lower now though.

aye leaving when your team is staying for lowscore third or rather at a big points disadvantage seems to be the best choice