I've actually thought about this recently, and made some list of Jobs, their weapons, and their skills. I've also listed down hundreds of different weapons in real-life that could be used, but I won't post it since It's too much :p
I Know there's another Thread for this, but I think my post is too long >.>
Here's my Idea for Class and Jobs:
Divided into several Tiers-
[Tier 0] > [Tier I] > [Tier II] > [Tier III] > [Tier IV]
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[Proficiency of Adventurer] > [Separate Jobs]
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[Tier 0] Adventurer's Proficiency
[Adventurer/Freelancer] They are Versatile, able to wield any weapons and skills.
Weapon: All/Any Ability: Cross-class skills only
This Job is a mix of the Old Class and Armory system, It will have Proficiency(Level) of all weapons.
Once a Proficiency is on a certain level, they are able to unlock the [Tier I] Jobs. It can wield any weapons and equip any ability, but there is a certain Cap for say, a Sword-wielder equipping Archer WS, etc.
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[Tier I] Proficiency & Jobs
[Pugilist]>[Monk] A Deadly Ala mhigan Martial Arts. Their body is their weapon.
Weapon: (x2) Fists / H2H Ability: Elemental Fists, Aura skill, Kicks
Role: Quickest DPS, but with the average accuracy, misses a lot
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[Lancer]>[Dragoon] Originated from Ishgard, their lance pierces through thick monsters.
Weapon: 2H Pole-arm Ability: Jump, Dragon-breath
Role: Critical DPS, Piercing attacks and Jump that evades any attack.
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[Archer]>[Bard] First developed in the wars' past, the way of the Bard is almost extinct.
Weapon: Bows & Arrows Ability: Sing, Aim
Role: Bard can reach a "good" DPS line If it is geared. It's Support Song is a great boost.
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[Marauder]>[Warrior] Ancient way of war developed by the mountain warriors.
Weapon: 2H Great Axes Ability: Berserk, Arts of War
Role: Sub-tank DPS, deals average DPS while being able to Tank pretty well.
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[Gladiator]>[Paladin] Secret arts of Paladin passed down by Elite of Sultansworn.
Weapon: Sword and shield Ability: Cover, White Magic, Sentinel
Role: Best Tank in the game. Has thick HP, thick Defense, but very low Damage.
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[Conjurer]>[White Mage] Forgotten white magic lives in the hands of Elder seed-seers.
Weapon: Cane, Wand & shield Ability: White Magic, Holy Magic
Role: Best Healer in the game, fully supportive role but can utilize Holy for a Last-attack.
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[Thaumaturge] > [Black Mage] There existed an arcane art known as black magic.
Weapon: Staff, Scepters & Shield Ability: Black Magic, Ancient Magic
Role: Highest Burst DPS, can Combo constantly If you watch enmity, MP runs out fast.
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[Tier II and so on] Proficiency & Jobs (Feel free to specify which jobs for which Tier)
Unlocking Job Tiers-
Tier II Job Unlocking: 2 Lv.50 TI Jobs, 2 Lv.30 TI Jobs (Different)
Tier III Job Unlocking: 2 Lv.50 TII Jobs, 5 Lv.50 TI Jobs
(This is the basic Idea)
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[Bushido] > [Samurai] These Mighty Samurai excels in the way of Katana.
Weapon: Great Katana Ability: Bushido, Demon Killer, Iai
Role: Combo DPS, Emergency-tank with Counterattack and transferable hate.
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[Assassin] > [Ninja] A Killing machine who's blade is trained to assassinate.
Weapon: (x2) Wakizashi, Tanto Ability: Ninjutsu
Role: Burst damage, Slow down on Cooldown. Uses Throwing Weapons as well.
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[Scout] > [Thief] Specializing in covert actions, thieves aim for stealth attacks.
Weapon: (x2) Daggers, short-sword Ability: Stealth, Sneak Attacks, Steal
Role: Manipulate Enmity and have High Constant DPS, Lowest HP and DEF.
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[Enforcer] > [Red Mage] These Mages wields mace while casting white & black magic.
Weapon: Mace & Shield Ability: White Magic, Black Magic, En- Magic, Element WS
Role: Enhance Elemental Arms, Use Spellblade WS and White/Black Magic for Support.
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[Mystic] > [Blue Mage] Decimating their enemies with magic mastered from opponents.
Weapon: (x2) Whipsword Ability: Blue Magic, Mysticism
Role: Variable Class, a monster of one with its' Monster Skills.
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[Musketeer] > [Corsair] Unrivaled Aim with the guns, they possess an Iron-willed heart.
Weapon: (x2) Pistol/Gun, 2H Sniper Rifle Ability: Gunnery, Snipe, Gamble
Role: Able to switch positions during the Battlefield and use Luck-based skills for Party.
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[Scholar] > [Sage] Extensive years of study has granted these people vast knowledges.
Weapon: Spellbooks Ability: Time Magic, Geomancy
Role: Haste, Stop, Slow, etc (TP, HP/MP Regen, etc) Control Weather with time.
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[Bladedancer] > [Fencer] These practitioner wields rapier for accurate, elegant combat.
Weapon: Fleurets & Buckler Ability: Fencing, Imbued attacks, Rally Skills (PT Critical Up)
Role: Highest Accuracy DPS, Enfeebling strikes and Support allies' DPS (Crit+, Atk+, etc)
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[Arcanist] > [Archmage] These archmages studies the way of Arcane Magics.
Weapon: 2H Arcane Staff Ability: Arcane Magic, Trap-Magic
Role: Utilize Arcane Magic to Trap enemies and render them temporarily useless.
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[Evoker] > [Summoner] Summoner are born when Avatar pacts are forged.
Weapon: Orbs Ability: Summon Avatar, Summon Spirit, Elementals
Role: Elemental Companion, Half DD and Half Support. (Light and Dark Elementals)
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[Mediator] > [Beastmaster] Communicating & controlling Animal is a Beastmaster's forte.
Weapon: Whip Ability: Tame, Monster Commands, Monster Traits (Seedkin Killer, etc)
Role: Crowd-Control, make enemies fight themselves, or capture them instead.
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[Soldier] > [Dark Knight] Fallen soldiers of Darkness, they are feared as The Reapers.
Weapon: 2H Scythe / 2H Sword Ability: Several Dark Magic, Siphon Spell, Blood Skills
Role: High-but slow DPS, surviving Battle while dealing Siphons and Blood skills. (Drain)-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[Shaman] > [Green Mage] The Green Mage studies the art of Enfeebling Green Magic.
Weapon: (x2) Magic/Battle Ringbands/Gloves Ability: Dark Magic, Green Magic (Enfeeble)
Role: Purely Enfeebling Job, deals enemy with Poison, Bleed, etc.
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[Gunbladier] > [Imperial] Ala-mhigan spies have brought back a new tech of war.
Weapon: Gunblade & Gun-attached gloves Ability: Shoot, Magi-tech, Blast Wave, Aether
Role: A Balanced-Adaptive DPS, however some of his skills generate massive Enmity.
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The Idea of this is adapted from XIV's Class > Job system, since I don't think SE is going to throw out the Class system, this is merely an Idea.
If you feel this is a spam thread, let it die in the seas of dead-threads :p
P.S.
I apologize If It's difficult to read :p
EDIT: Added a few Ideas from Comment, thank you for the feedback!
My Job Ideas for XIV
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07-10-2012, 04:46 PMAnimaMy Job Ideas for XIV
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07-10-2012, 05:02 PMRathSkybreaker
I like a lot of these suggestions, though I see a lot of leveling in my future if this is the path the game chooses xD...
:p Bring on the gunblades :p .. a lot of these could have other job requirements as well.. like dark knight requiring blm to be unlocked. Etc.. nothing super hard, but at least it makes sense. -
07-10-2012, 05:18 PMAnimaYeah, I wasn't sure of the Requirements for Job Tiers so I put anything there :p I like the ones that makes out a root, like in FF Tactics. DRK could derive from a combination of Jobs such as WAR DRG BLM too.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathSkybreaker
I really had fun while making these lol -
07-10-2012, 05:24 PMPlatinumstorm
Thieves don't have a great deal of a point in this game [musketeers will have dual wield, they can have treasure hunter from lore, and there is no reason they couldn't do some thieving also], and we don't need a straight copy/paste of classes from FFXI.
You have a ton of classes there and a ton of jobs but what unique roles do they bring? -
07-10-2012, 05:24 PMAlerith
The one I would change is Blade-Dancer > Fencer.
Should be Fencer > Red Mage. -
07-10-2012, 05:42 PMAnimaWhat I had in mind:Quote:
Originally Posted by Platinumstorm
-Samurai is mostly for counter-attack skills (With Iai and all)
-Ninja for Stealth Job
-Thief is similar to Ninja I guess, give Ninja steal and voila, Thief ! (You want me to delete)
-Red Mage is for White, Black and En-spells. They also have Melee Spellblade WS
-Blue Mage is quite unique to others as he absorbs unique Monster WS and spells
-Corsair can switch between close-range guns or long-range guns, + luck based skill
-Sage has Light/Dark Arts and Time Magic such as Haste, Stop, Slow and Geomancy.
-Fencer has Imbued Piercing Strikes such as Poison Strikes, while being able to boost Party Critical rate (pair up with DRG)
-Archmage (Arcanist) Arcane Magic is Trap-magic for Crowd control as Yoshi has said
-Summoner summon Lesser Avatars and Spirit like what Yoshi said
-Beastmaster tame enemy monsters and make them a temporary pet
-Dark Knight has several Dark Magics, Siphon spell (ACC, STR, INT, etc), drains, blood skills, etc
-Dancer breakdances and rap for the party, just thought I'd add this coz people loved them 0.0
-Berserker is Pure-DPS with no other focus, they wield Greatsword and kills mob like hell
-Shaman is pure Enfeebling Job whose job is to enfeeble ! (Since THM enfeebles were removed)
-Imperial for the pew-pews and mechanical attribute
I guess that was a Wall-o-text 0.0 Here's a Potato for you !
EDIT: I know there's a lot of Jobs there, and I can just pile them up to fewer jobs, but It's there for people to choose 0.0 -
07-10-2012, 06:06 PMSuzakuCMX
IMO:
-> Samurai should be able to deal low amounts of damage, but their damage should be unaffected by defenses. They should also be fairly tanky (like Auron from FFX)
-> Ninja should be able to do physical burst damage, and then their DPS drops low until their cooldowns come back up. Also should be able to use all throwing items for ranged damage. Perhaps they can also have the "Scan" ability.
-> Thieves should be able to manipulate the battlefield via enmity manipulation and have constant high DPS, but should be VERY squishy (therefore have to master enmity manipulation to survive) and also have the "steal" ability.
-> Red Mages should be focused on weapon skills that deal magic damage and also En-spells that are like the Monk "Fist" skills but able to be cast on allies.
-> Blue Mages are obvious, since they just take monster's abilities.
-> Corsairs should be ranged DD that are a bit more luck-based than other DDs, with something like Tifa's Limit Break that allows them to cast random Weapon Skills or something.
-> Summoners are obvious
-> Beastmasters are harder to describe since their function wouldn't be much different than a Blue Mage in terms of DD.
Don't like any of your other jobs, really.
Also missing:
Arcanist > GREEN MAGE
-> Should have debuff skills and DoTs mostly.
Disciplies of the Hand > CHEMIST
-> Mix and combine different ingredients and materials for bombs/grenades. Don't use any MP/TP but rather their skills cost materials.
Disciples of the Land > GEOMANCER
-> Gain different elemental spells depending on the area they're in + can change the aether around them, increasing the effectiveness of their allies' elemental spells
Something > TIME MAGE
-> Manipulates time, such as resetting enemy's TP to 0 in exchange for healing them for a small amount, can Silence, and use Haste/Slow as straight-up abilities, along with a Teleport ability. Also can use Gravity and Banish (+ Comet/Meteor for AoE), maybe can cast a buff on allies that lowers their cooldowns by a bit or gives them TP. -
07-10-2012, 06:16 PMTempleton
interesting
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07-10-2012, 06:26 PMAnimaThat's nice, but I thought a lot of it were similar to my Ideas (At least what I had in mind)Quote:
Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX
-Samurai deals DPS and can tank through Counterattack abilities (Must not be as good as WAR or PLD)
-Ninja>> Your Idea is quite nice and throwing weapons is surely nice
-Thief>> It's a nice Idea, I don't really see the Thief in it though. (Maybe coz I never played XI)
-Red Mage>> That's what I wrote ?
-Blue Mage>> Same thing
-Corsair>> Similar Luck-based skills, I thought it would be fun for COR to have 2 type of ranged weapons.
-Summoner>> Same :D
-Beastmaster>> Yeah, I know but BST has Taming abilities so It could be used in CControl ?
Green Mage>> Same as my Shaman, just different names
Chemist>> Not really talking about DoH, just DoW/M Jobs, but that's a really neat Idea ! :D
Geomancer>> Same as the Sage above 0.0
Time Mage>> Same as the Sage above, Sage has both xD -
07-10-2012, 06:34 PMRokien
I for one like it. That's what I miss about FFXI, being able to equip whatever weapon on whatever job.
Sadly though, you should have made this a long time ago ; ;
In fact, ya, I really like it, a lot. Of course jobs might need tweaking and what not, but I really love the idea, a lot.
I just have to say, two thumbs up. -
07-10-2012, 06:48 PMSuzakuCMXGreen Mage is an "official" FF job, while I don't think I've seen Shaman. Also Sage has a bit too many abilities in your version :P Jobs are supposed to be highly specialized. They're also only supposed to have like 3 different damage abilities + upgrades (not counting Weaponskills).Quote:
Originally Posted by Anima
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07-10-2012, 06:48 PMChurchill
Why would I invite one of these instead of WAR/PLD WHM Ranged DD (BLM+BRD) or MNK/DRG for close range stuff
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07-10-2012, 06:53 PMSuzakuCMXPvP, specialized abilities (such as debuffs, other buffs, DoTs, status effects, etc), don't have to follow the metagame...Quote:
Originally Posted by Churchill
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07-10-2012, 07:04 PMAnimaWhy would I take a Variable PT (PLD WHM BLM MNK MNK DRG, etc) instead of a Class-stacked PT (WAR WHM WHM BLM BLM BLM BLM BRD)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Churchill
Same thing, the more options, the better. ofc, It has to be unique so It doesn't render a Job useless, but It's difficult not to and I don't know If mine does or not, so If you spot one, tell me and I'll fix it ! I'm also having fun after all (lol)
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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX
I got the Idea of Shaman from FF: 4 Heroes of the light :p I'll change some stuffs. -
07-10-2012, 07:05 PMprymortal
im going to be honast, to much to read, but it looks well thought out so i'll give you a like anyway :)
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07-10-2012, 07:16 PMChurchill
When they release more jobs, inevitably one job will be the best at what it does, rendering other jobs not very important.
SAM could be the new tank, and DPS could be Musketeer only. That leaves a ton of wasted effort gearing jobs and leveling jobs if only for achievement. (I see this as a relevant problem given how the damage formula works as a lot of gear is not interchangeable between classes, at least from a melding standpoint)
I'd rather see more capabilities added to what we have than new jobs that exist solely for the reason of having them. FFXI and WoW both suffer from this problem. XI is really bad, some jobs exist for their 2h ability only, though it does a semi-decent (or laughable) job of making content that some jobs excel at while others don't. For the most part though, you're going to grab 2 CORs, 2 BRDs, 2-3 WHMs, WARx2-3 DRKx2-3 and some BLM's and that's the end of your recruitment.
I understand people want to get all fantasy and play shit they have wet dreams about but from a gaming standpoint the community is going to find what works best and dictate that's what gets used, invited, etc. Then there will be people saying "Make x job stronger, y is too strong" so they nerf y and buff x, "x is too strong, make y stronger!" and the shit just continues. That's if you see changes, some jobs may not even get touched and be relegated for solo play (which isn't really a category of job in 14, as any can solo)
I think they have a good mix at the moment, and I understand they are adding more and there's nothing I can do about that, but I would be hesitant about wanting such a wide variety of jobs to choose from. -
07-11-2012, 03:02 AMAnima
{Hmmm..} I agree that lots of stuffs can be unbalanced, and I do realize that my suggestion has lots of Jobs xD I was giving Ideas of what I thought could be a good-job :p Despite that, I feel that we still need Enfeebling Job, Dual/Stealth Job and Crowd Control Jobs.