Next New Jobs after Dawntrail are likely Aiming/Striking

If you had to pick any job from these two categories, what would you pick?

Personally I would pick Ranger, or Corsair for aiming. Something that ticks a different box than what we already have.

For Striking, I would pick some kind of a druid class. Most people think that druids should be casting, and while I don't disagree that a caster druid shouldn't be implemented, there are examples in media of a fighting druid type. I was thinking a nature themed job that wields tomahawks. The class that fits the bill the most in my opinion is Hawkeye. https://bravelydefault.fandom.com/wi...Bravely_Second)

In Japan this class was themed after Native Americans, but in the west it had a cowboy look. I think the best compromise for this job would be to use the New World as inspiration, making it a second New World type of job (After Viper), but checking with Native Americans in the real world when building the lore around them, in order to not be offensive. I love the idea of a Native American inspired job in the game, and I think if done with precision, it would be a great addition.

Honestly the Bravely series, as well as the Octopath series does really well with coming up with new jobs, and should be a source of inspiration for FFXIVs future in my opinion. https://bravelydefault.fandom.com/wiki/Y%C5%8Dkai this alternative take on summoner is great for example~ Or how they handled the spell fencers~ https://bravelydefault.fandom.com/wi...avely_Default))

I'd be surprised if we got two jobs next expansion. I know they've said there's more jobs on the way, but at this point, the only role in dire need of any new jobs is Ranged. Melee will definitely, 100% be skipped next expansion. Two expansions in a row for new Melee jobs is more than enough for a long time.

yes the expansion after DT is the tank/ranged phys jobs.

this is definitly the time to think of a job you would like that would fit those roles.

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Originally Posted by ElysiumDragon

I'd be surprised if we got two jobs next expansion. I know they've said there's more jobs on the way, but at this point, the only role in dire need of any new jobs is Ranged. Melee will definitely, 100% be skipped next expansion. Two expansions in a row for new Melee jobs is more than enough for a long time.

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Honestly I wouldn't be surprised after the Pictomancer backlash if we got a physical ranged, and they just skipped for a second new caster. Though a new striking job would be cool, I feel like something from Time Mage, Geomancer, Green Mage, or Oracle would make fans happy to contrast Pictomancer. I'm not saying Picto isn't welcome, but it has been a LONG TIME since we had a new casting job, and I know some people are upset that its so cartoony.

I want a new ranged job but they need to fix the imbalance of support to DPS

They said we are getting another melee because they like the idea of separating the 4 DPS into 2 melee and 2 ranged so the current distribution of jobs becomes 6 melee to 7 ranged rather than 6 melee to 4 casters to 3 physical ranged

But take a wide look at 8 man content and you realise that we currently have 8 support jobs for 4 slots in the party and 13 DPS for the other 4 slots, if we go the most likely route for 8.0 and get 1 tank and 1 physical ranged then we would end up 9 vs 14, I honestly think 8.0 needs a tank and a healer to better align support vs DPS

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I want a new ranged job but they need to fix the imbalance of support to DPS

They said we are getting another melee because they like the idea of separating the 4 DPS into 2 melee and 2 ranged so the current distribution of jobs becomes 6 melee to 7 ranged rather than 6 melee to 4 casters to 3 physical ranged

But take a wide look at 8 man content and you realise that we currently have 8 support jobs for 4 slots in the party and 13 DPS for the other 4 slots, if we go the most likely route for 8.0 and get 1 tank and 1 physical ranged then we would end up 9 vs 14, I honestly think 8.0 needs a tank and a healer to better align support vs DPS

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A new healer and tank would be a dream come true for me tbh, but I would still HATE not getting a new DPS too. I seriously hate how its just two jobs an expansion every single time. I wish once in awhile they would do three. This isn't 2.0, and 3.0 anymore. I believe if they really wanted to put the resources for it, they could find a way to do three jobs again.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I honestly think 8.0 needs a tank and a healer to better align support vs DPS

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i will say they could go the heavensward route and do the tank/healer/phys ranged. while it is unlikely they could do that so its all hit plus it keeps tank/healers even.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised after the Pictomancer backlash if we got a physical ranged, and they just skipped for a second new caster. Though a new striking job would be cool, I feel like something from Time Mage, Geomancer, Green Mage, or Oracle would make fans happy to contrast Pictomancer. I'm not saying Picto isn't welcome, but it has been a LONG TIME since we had a new casting job, and I know some people are upset that its so cartoony.

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A friend of mine is hoping for Green Mage tank, so that we can have a full dungeon party of the color mages. I'm just hoping for Green Mage in general at this point, I really want a nature themed job since WHM is all holy based stuff now.

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Originally Posted by LynxDubh

A friend of mine is hoping for Green Mage tank, so that we can have a full dungeon party of the color mages. I'm just hoping for Green Mage in general at this point, I really want a nature themed job since WHM is all holy based stuff now.

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That would be so weird, and honestly not the magical tank I'd want. If we are going to get a magic tank, I think Rune Knight would be the best fit. Rune Knight is SIMILAR to spellfencer, and Mystic Knight, but has its own flare.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

That would be so weird, and honestly not the magical tank I'd want. If we are going to get a magic tank, I think Rune Knight would be the best fit. Rune Knight is SIMILAR to spellfencer, and Mystic Knight, but has its own flare.

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True, but a nature themed tank would be cool if they themed it that way. Though, they did us dirty with that clover tease, so Green Mage deserves something I'd say haha.

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Originally Posted by LynxDubh

True, but a nature themed tank would be cool if they themed it that way. Though, they did us dirty with that clover tease, so Green Mage deserves something I'd say haha.

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This Green Mage situation is reminding me so much of Dancer. Everyone hyped Green Mage up so much when they thought it was what we were getting. I have a feeling that we may end up getting it for a caster down the line because of fan requests. Its also so underutilized and lacks identity in the series beyond its image. Its a great candidate for a reimagined job.

I'd love Mystic Knight/Rune Fencer for the next expansion, personally.

Still holding out hope for Blitzballer as the ranged physical, added alongside the minigame. For the second one, Rune/Mystic Knight as tank because Celes was my favorite, though I'm scratching my head on what cool unique weapon they could give that one.

This is a thing I have posted whenever this topic comes up…so far it’s been pretty on point for roles, but I rarely guess the actual jobs themselves:

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My Assumptions:
1) Jobs (or really any additions) are chosen based on what will sell the expansion/get fans excited. $$$
2) Job choices are not forced to fill missing "gaps" in roles. (4 magical ranged including BLU before a 3rd physical ranged)
3) The way roles are organized is fluid. (It used to just be Melee DPS and Ranged DPS)
4) New jobs can be influenced by the place we're going. but this is not a requirement. (YoshiP was originally planning to do SAM in HW)


Job History:

2.0 (Initial Release)

• 2 Tanks (WAR, PLD)
• 2 Healers (WHM, SCH)
• 2 Melee DPS (DRG, MNK)
• 3 Ranged DPS (BLM, SMN, BRD)

2.x

• +1 Melee (NIN)
• Jobs have balance of 3 Melee and 3 Ranged DPS

3.0

• +1 Tank (DRK)
• +1 Healer (AST)
• +1 Ranged (MCH)
• Ranged reorganized to Magical Ranged and Physical Ranged

4.0

• +1 Melee(SAM)
• +1 Magical Ranged(RDM)

4.x

• +1 Magic Ranged* (BLU) (Note this is a Limited Job)

5.0

• +1 Tank(GNB)
• +1 Physical Ranged(DNC)

6.0

• +1 Healer (SGE)
• +1 Melee (RPR)

7.0

• +1 Melee (VPR)
• +1 Magic Ranged (PCT)

7.x

• +1 Melee?* (BST) (Note this is a Limited Job)

Current Situation:

• 4 Tanks (WAR, PLD, DRK, GNB)
• 4 Healers (WHM, SCH, AST, SGE)
• 6 Melee DPS (DRG, MNK, NIN, SAM, RPR, VPR)
• 3 Physical Ranged DPS (BRD, MCH, DNC)
• 4 Magical Ranged DPS (BLM, SMN, RDM, PCT)
• 2 Limited Jobs (BLU, BST)
  

Speculation:

Regarding jobs as a whole, I expect...

• Based on live letters, at least 1 DPS in each future expansion that has new jobs.
• An expansion will come with only 1 job, or possibly none at all.
• An eventual reorganization of jobs by GEAR SET.
• An attempt to balance of total Melee and Ranged, divided into their armor sets.
• BLU will be moved from "Magic Ranged DPS" to "Limited Job". (Shown above)
• Not so many full new expansions left; maybe 2-3.

Regarding new jobs, I expect the next expansion to have:

• A Physical Ranged DPS (I expect there will be only 1 job).
• …but maaaaybe possibly a Tank or Healer.

Regarding new jobs, EVENTUALLY I would guess/I could see...

• Ranger/Corsair/Marine: A ranged rifle user, wearing aiming gear, using the "bow-mage" mechanics. Possibly "Colonial Era" flavor. Possibly related to the "New World" to the west.
• Mystic Knight: A flashy sword user; probably scimitars or Khopesh. Possibly "Arabian Nights" flavor. Possibly related to Meracydia.

Regarding new jobs, my personal wish list..

• (New Job): A dual-crossbow-wielding, acrobatic trap user, wearing scouting gear. Something like Linkle or even Bayonetta.
• (New Job): A shape-shifting job.

I think the one job an expansion idea is horrible. Yeah, I know they become difficult to balance, but that is just an example of the fact that the devs need to create teams to handle the balance, instead of the way they are barely holding on to it right now.

With the amount of classic jobs In the series, we still have many that could be added to keep the momentum of at least two per expansion, that would mean waiting twice as long for those jobs to be added. Imagine two years of waiting at a time for an old favorite. It would be miserable. I don’t want to see Geomancer, Corsair, Chemist, Green Mage, or Oracle by the time I’m 50.

At this point I’d like an actual dedicated designer for the healer role

It’s obvious since about 5.0 that the healer role is both being designed by someone who is a DPS main and is designing healer based on how DPS think healers should play, and that regardless of what they actually design they really don’t care for the role at all

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I wish once in awhile they would do three. This isn't 2.0, and 3.0 anymore. I believe if they really wanted to put the resources for it, they could find a way to do three jobs again.

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They did three for 3.0 and explicitly said that they don't want to go through this again. The team was overworked so much that I vaguely remember Yoshida mentioning that they all went on a month long vacation after 3.0 release (which is generally unheard of for Japan). And "this isn't 2.0 or 3.0 anymore" is more so the reason why it would be a bad idea, because with higher amount of jobs it's getting harder to create new jobs and balance both new and old jobs around each other, not easier.

Sooooo yeah... most likely not happening, as DevTeam already been there. If nothing else, at some point we're likely to see the shift towards 1 job per expansion.

Creating new teams dedicated to balancing not only won't necessarily fix it - it can make things worse because in-department miscommunication is a thing and happens all the time as it is even within a single team, let alone if there's more than one working on the same thing. It's not all as easy as "just add more people" (I wish it was that easy as a developer, but yeah, nope).

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Originally Posted by Halivel

They did three for 3.0 and explicitly said that they don't want to go through this again. The team was overworked so much that I vaguely remember Yoshida mentioning that they all went on a month long vacation after 3.0 release (which is generally unheard of for Japan). And "this isn't 2.0 or 3.0 anymore" is more so the reason why it would be a bad idea, because with higher amount of jobs it's getting harder to create new jobs and balance both new and old jobs around each other, not easier.

Sooooo yeah... most likely not happening, as DevTeam already been there. If nothing else, at some point we're likely to see the shift towards 1 job per expansion.

Creating new teams dedicated to balancing not only won't necessarily fix it - it can make things worse because in-department miscommunication is a thing and happens all the time as it is even within a single team, let alone if there's more than one working on the same thing. It's not all as easy as "just add more people" (I wish it was that easy as a developer, but yeah, nope).

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If they had extra staff members, we could get more things like this. The dev team is always talking about constraints, and it makes me believe that they are working on a strawman budget and team. Its time to grow so that they can keep up. Not completely without limits obviously. I know that hiring too many people at once isn't the best thing, but they should assemble some new dev teams to help with other things that fans desire.

My feeling is that they just won't because the CEO won't approve it, which he should seriously think of doing. FFXIV is the lifeblood of the Final Fantasy series right now aside from FFXVI, and the VII remake. They have been facing some hard times, and without this game they wouldn't be as successful today.

Maybe Yoshi P should just threaten to leave the board, and ask them for more money as a compromise for not leaving lmao.

Since it's a thread on prediction/assumption.

I'll only say this.

Unless they expand more than 6 per Type.
[Tank, Healer, Melee, Ranged, Magic]

I seriously Doubt we will get more than 6 Total Melee DPS.

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My bets, and hopes are on eventually getting Two Tanks, Two Healers.

Ranged Could go into 6 total as well, but that requires some long cooking of concepts. So far, I've only thought of a Chemist/explosives/launcher.

Magic will Round off to 4 with DT.
(we could get 2 more, With a job that Specifically Deals with Dynamis. Non Specifc Damage type, like Psionics/Telekinesis. and another Unknown, hopefully something Original. and not preexisting.)

But as for the Next Expansion.

IDK, how much do we expect them to work the game in jobs.

assuming we get 4 more expansions after DT at a rate of 2 per expac that's 8 max jobs.

[2T/2H/3R/2M] there would needs be at least one expac with three.
(assuming we never get any more melee dps)

and then how long do we expect FFXIV to even run?

SE/CBUIII would need to show us that the next expansions are worth riding through with DT.

and hopefully give us an idea of how Classes/Jobs will Roll out in the future before we can accurately say which jobs.

But for now, I'm all For 2 Tanks next Expac.

We don't need another melee DPS that's for sure, we do not need 2 more DPS, Support Jobs (tanks/healers) take up 1/2 of the party but have 8 in total, while damage jobs take up the same amount but have 13 In DT (This would make it 15). I dislike that "using different melee gear" is now a excuse to why we need so much melee dps, infact the only purpose different gear on melee serves is making end game gearing annoying.

My Guess/want is Physical ranged, Tank if a second option, as they never have made a expansion with out one far ranged Job (Phys/mag/healer) or one close ranged job (tank/melee), I don't think we will get a Healer at least for a while because having that 2/2 split was the whole reason why they removed barrier astro. Maybe afterwards? But honestly I would make rather they just make the current jobs fun an different.

Honestly, I think we also need to consider how long this game will actually be in active development and not maintenance mode.

Yes it is still going strong, but the cost of making a team specifically for balance (or whatever) is a big cost to consider.

If they are planning for 10 more years then yes!! balance and major engine overhauls are welcome!

We just don’t know what their long term plans are, but considering they are updating the graphics maybe they are planning long-haul…

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Honestly, I think we also need to consider how long this game will actually be in active development and not maintenance mode.

Yes it is still going strong, but the cost of making a team specifically for balance (or whatever) is a big cost to consider.

If they are planning for 10 more years then yes!! balance and major engine overhauls are welcome!

We just don’t know what their long term plans are, but considering they are updating the graphics maybe they are planning long-haul…

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I hope its long haul. I want to play this game as long as I did WoW. Until something comes out that is more appealing than this game, I don't want to phase it out. I haven't played any other MMO nearly as much save for old school Runescape because of how much I love this game.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

If you had to pick any job from these two categories, what would you pick?

Personally I would pick Ranger, or Corsair for aiming. Something that ticks a different box than what we already have.

For Striking, I would pick some kind of a druid class. Most people think that druids should be casting, and while I don't disagree that a caster druid shouldn't be implemented, there are examples in media of a fighting druid type. I was thinking a nature themed job that wields tomahawks. The class that fits the bill the most in my opinion is Hawkeye. https://bravelydefault.fandom.com/wi...Bravely_Second)

In Japan this class was themed after Native Americans, but in the west it had a cowboy look. I think the best compromise for this job would be to use the New World as inspiration, making it a second New World type of job (After Viper), but checking with Native Americans in the real world when building the lore around them, in order to not be offensive. I love the idea of a Native American inspired job in the game, and I think if done with precision, it would be a great addition.

Honestly the Bravely series, as well as the Octopath series does really well with coming up with new jobs, and should be a source of inspiration for FFXIVs future in my opinion. https://bravelydefault.fandom.com/wiki/Y%C5%8Dkai this alternative take on summoner is great for example~ Or how they handled the spell fencers~ https://bravelydefault.fandom.com/wi...avely_Default))

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add a proper gunslinger then be done with jobs for good. just expand on them with professions, but no more new jobs after that final ranger

My copium brain wants it to be aiming, fending and healing yes, three jobs. We need an expansion with three jobs to balance everything.

As for my job options I would choose Corsair and Blitzballer for ranged. I would prefer if Corsair was melee, but if they had the Cannoneer aesthetic from FFV it could still work. Puppetmaster would be cool as well if they use their puppet as a ranged weapon.
I don't care much about the other roles.

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Originally Posted by Vandso

My copium brain wants it to be aiming, fending and healing yes, three jobs. We need an expansion with three jobs to balance everything.

As for my job options I would choose Corsair and Blitzballer for ranged. I would prefer if Corsair was melee, but if they had the Cannoneer aesthetic from FFV it could still work. Puppetmaster would be cool as well if they use their puppet as a ranged weapon.
I don't care much about the other roles.

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After Pictomancer I do not want any other silly jobs for awhile, so no puppet master for my pick.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised after the Pictomancer backlash

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What backlash? Those are just critics about the visuals.
This is like articles saying "XXX SLAMS YYY for doing ZZZ!"

Also during JP Fanfest, many people raised their hands when asked if they would play the job.
I'm not a fan and that's okay, not everything has to be for me.

Barrett's weapon would be a cool weapon for a new physical ranged job

Still waiting for a dual wield gunner, such as Yuna from X-2 or gunslinger from Aion.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

After Pictomancer I do not want any other silly jobs for awhile, so no puppet master for my pick.

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Wdym, Puppet Master is badass

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Originally Posted by Yuella

Barrett's weapon would be a cool weapon for a new physical ranged job

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First jobquest: "So... you got to get rid of that hand"

Hell yeah Blitzballer phys ranged

I just want a ranger class. Bow and arrow, use of traps and such. It could summon animals without being a full-fledged pet job or like summoner itself -- with the spirit of the animal somehow imbued in the attacks since we know Yoshi & Co. don't want to make another pet class.