Would you pay for instanced housing

I got into a heated debate with my partner over this one; who said he would happily support this if it was <€5 which is i belive $7 or £3 for brits

got me wondering. would you pay for this monthly ontop of your sub? would this drive you away. is this a good or bad idea for CBU3 really hoping this thread doesnt give squex ideas

Are we talking monthly? Like a retainer?

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

Are we talking monthly? Like a retainer?

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it would be added on to your sub

Honestly the housing scarcity has been such an issue for so long on so many worlds, that if they finally do instanced, the first one should be free. After all, no one who was lucky enough to get a current house had to pay extra for it. Then if you want extra houses for whatever reason, maybe then you pay a retainer-like fee, an extra $1-2 a month. Retainers are kinda similar: get two free and pay for additional.

No. I would not.

I'm heavily against extra paid services on top of a subscription, so no. Feels like it's one step away from going all in on microtransactions imo

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

really hoping this thread doesnt give squex ideas

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The shareholders are excitedly showing this thread to YoshiP as we speak

No, but I'd love to turn my Island Sanctuary into my private home. Officially.

No, I rather not give them an incentive to further monetize the game

I would be fine with a less FOMO variant of ESO housing (sub long enough and you can buy the premium houses, as you get premium currency by being subbed, own as many houses as you want in many interesting locations, not monthly just one time purchase), the FOMO part is that they do, last I check, encourage FOMO by cycling houses rather than leaving them on the market.

Definitely would like to see SE bring the gil making tools outside of housing exclusives, like you could run airships from your garrison or something (that is part of the reason for shell FC- they do make crazy gil and encourages shells).

Would also like to second the island continuing to evolve with house features:)! My thoughts is improve apartments such everyone can have one. Allow players to place a magical doorway (Howels Moving Castle, FFXI Mog Door), then blend apartments with housing interiors such they become one and the same. Finally finish it off by allowing placement of exterior house pieces, so instead of a door you can have a whole house if you want.

Not without vast improvements to the housing system. We're talking full XYZ axis control, double if not triple the item limit, options for bigger yard space, adding balconies and honestly the list goes on. Basically, look at all the third third support nowadays and literally copy all of it as built in. Even then, it's still... questionable but at least you can argue we're getting something extra for the cost. Simply copying the current system wholesale with no changes whatsoever is a massive slap across the face of players unlucky to not get a free house.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

..got me wondering. would you pay for this monthly ontop of your sub? would this drive you away...

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No I wouldn't because I don't really care for Housing that much.
I had a house since 3.3 until early this year, (had to drop my sub due to RL f-ed me real bad and lost it because of that. came back in Nov after I got it all sorted again) and the excitement for having one, the joy of decorating and gardening wore off faster than I thought. At the end of Stormblood it literally became a housing item dump spot, never to be really used again.
Housing might just not be for me though.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

I got into a heated debate with my partner over this one; who said he would happily support this if it was <€5 which is i belive $7 or £3 for brits

got me wondering. would you pay for this monthly ontop of your sub? would this drive you away. is this a good or bad idea for CBU3 really hoping this thread doesnt give squex ideas

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Why would we need to pay an additional fee when housing already is mostly instanced, SE just chose a messed up supply chain?

If the question was what would get me to pay additional for housing in this game, I'd say give me RIFT Dimensions using FFXIV art aesthetic and locations. That had enough features that housing in this game lacks that it would be worth an extra $5 on my subscription to me (not sure how others would feel).

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Originally Posted by Erinellza

I'm a housing addict, so sure. Some cash shop exclusive instanced houses in ESO cost 85€ (each) and I have a few of them besides the ones that cost Gold.
The best thing about instanced houses is that neighbors can't ruin my view with boring empty yards and ugly styles like cringerbread.

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And I thought RIFT was on the predatory side when they charged $10 worth of store credits for some of their premium Dimensions. OUCH!

I don't think they should charge anything, they should fix the broken system. At most, some people might pay for additional houses past the first.

All that said, they won't do anything. They've shown zero interest in fixing the system for almost a decade now.

I wouldn't even want instanced housing for free, it's just completely boring.

Housing is already instanced, if you mean to make it so all "houses" are just an individual plot in your own zone, that won't help anything and is just current housing but with your house instance including a yard. You'd still run into issue of not enough available for everyone. The issue is with how housing was built and uses server resources. If they want to make it so there are enough houses for everyone, they need to rebuild housing from the ground up to be optimized for the intent of every player, no matter how big the game gets, being able to own a house. Which if they did that, they could keep whole neighborhood concept and still have enough houses for everyone.

IMO, It would depend very heavily on how it was actually implemented in game.

No, they need to overhaul the housing system. ESO and Rift have better systems. Every player in those mmos can own a house, and they have different sizes. Hell in Rift you can build your own house.

No. The moment they sell things for real money beyond cosmetic items is the moment I unsub.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

No. The moment they sell things for real money beyond cosmetic items is the moment I unsub.

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I admire the conviction, but what about retainer? And assuming OP isn't meaning buying FC houses for shell use, then I would assume that selling a house is essentially selling cosmetics.

Which isn't meant to be obtuse, just curious how specific that line is lol.

No lmao. I like my mansion.

You mean like paying a full sub one month out of two to keep your house when the game has done no effort to give long running content over the past year?

If it was a one-and-done payment, then sure but adding to the monthly fee? Maybe if it was like a dollar.
My question would be what happens if I cancel the service? Do I loose all my items, do they return to my inventory, or is it like retainers and they just stay in cold storage till I reactivate it? (ﾟ ヘﾟ) ~?

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

If it was a one-and-done payment, then sure but adding to the monthly fee? Maybe if it was like a dollar.
My question would be what happens if I cancel the service? Do I loose all my items, do they return to my inventory, or is it like retainers and they just stay in cold storage till I reactivate it? (ﾟ ヘﾟ) ~?

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contract suspended. you'de need to renew it to gain access

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

contract suspended. you'de need to renew it to gain access

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But would the items stay in the house when it's suspended like with retainers? (　`_ゝ´) ~?

Absolutely not. SE does not need more money.

Don't give SE ideas because they will someone how address the housing issue with real money.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

Don't give SE ideas because they will someone how address the housing issue with real money.

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It's the only way they'd address it. You've got to make it worth their while.

I'm not really for it, but I would like to see the playerbase's reaction to this if it was added. More so just to see the people who constantly gatekeep housing losing their minds.

No. But then again, I won my lotteries. so...

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

I got into a heated debate with my partner over this one; who said he would happily support this if it was <€5 which is i belive $7 or £3 for brits

got me wondering. would you pay for this monthly ontop of your sub? would this drive you away. is this a good or bad idea for CBU3 really hoping this thread doesnt give squex ideas

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Heck yes I would. In a hearbeat

No, that would put it at a higher monthly sub than any other game I play.

No, I have a house. I'm good.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I admire the conviction, but what about retainer? And assuming OP isn't meaning buying FC houses for shell use, then I would assume that selling a house is essentially selling cosmetics.

Which isn't meant to be obtuse, just curious how specific that line is lol.

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A house is playable content. Retainers is just convenience. I am not missing any gaming experience by not having extra retainers as I would if they start locking playable content such as housing behind extra fees. I went around and created a few alts to get additional free retainers for decos and dyes I keep for myself and later sales as well as fc submersible stuff. I just use the fc chest to exchange items. I‘m not a hoarder and don’t keep old trophies and other useless garbage.

24 losses in a row this is starting to get to my nerves

if every 1 boycotted ffx14 for a month they would fix this the right way or be screwed

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

A house is playable content. Retainers is just convenience. I am not missing any gaming experience by not having extra retainers as I would if they start locking playable content such as housing behind extra fees. I went around and created a few alts to get additional free retainers for decos and dyes I keep for myself and later sales as well as fc submersible stuff. I just use the fc chest to exchange items. I‘m not a hoarder and don’t keep old trophies and other useless garbage.

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While I'm not sure I 100% agree, I still appreciate your added detail and perspective. By that I just mean that id consider retainer a content as well, given they wear gear, go out on quests for you, generate gil, hold items, etc.

But I can see how a whole house feels physically more substantial, and particularly I see your point that you get free retainers, but you get no free house and in the current system there is a chance you never will.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

A house is playable content. Retainers is just convenience. I am not missing any gaming experience by not having extra retainers as I would if they start locking playable content such as housing behind extra fees. I went around and created a few alts to get additional free retainers for decos and dyes I keep for myself and later sales as well as fc submersible stuff. I just use the fc chest to exchange items. I‘m not a hoarder and don’t keep old trophies and other useless garbage.

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This is a strange analogy isn't it?

Retainers are an in-game advantage. The more of them you can send out the more items you can bring back per hour, and those items can be used by yourself or sold for gil.

A buyable house on the mogstore would probably be a gil sink if anything, assuming they didn't remove the in-game gil cost.

Not saying I think it's right, just pointing out that I don't think it would hurt anyone besides the housing extremists. I can imagine these houses having completely different wards, and certain toxic elements in the housing community mocking them for it.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

This is a strange analogy isn't it?

Retainers are an in-game advantage. The more of them you can send out the more items you can bring back per hour, and those items can be used by yourself or sold for gil.

A buyable house on the mogstore would probably be a gil sink if anything, assuming they didn't remove the in-game gil cost.

Not saying I think it's right, just pointing out that I don't think it would hurt anyone besides the housing extremists. I can imagine these houses having completely different wards, and certain toxic elements in the housing community mocking them for it.

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IMO for a paid sub addon, such housing would need to offer something the normal housing currently in game doesn't have. Examples being alternate floorplan layouts, larger yard, larger size category beyond large, etc.

Alternate floorplan layouts would probably be the biggest seller I think at least from my personal viewpoint. In game small houses aren't bad, neither are the large ones for the most part, however after buying a medium awhile back when Shirogane first opened and getting around to decorating it I've come to really dislike the placement of the stairs and the short depth wide width layout most noticeably on the ground floor which has me thinking I should have spent the extra at the time for a large despite thoughts that I would never finish decorating that much empty space.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

IMO for a paid sub addon, such housing would need to offer something the normal housing currently in game doesn't have. Examples being alternate floorplan layouts, larger yard, larger size category beyond large, etc.

Alternate floorplan layouts would probably be the biggest seller I think at least from my personal viewpoint. In game small houses aren't bad, neither are the large ones for the most part, however after buying a medium awhile back when Shirogane first opened and getting around to decorating it I've come to really dislike the placement of the stairs and the short depth wide width layout most noticeably on the ground floor which has me thinking I should have spent the extra at the time for a large despite thoughts that I would never finish decorating that much empty space.

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I don't know if they'd do that though. It'd kill off all of the regular housing wards at that point, and I don't think SE wants that. Pretty sure Yoshi P has said the reason he doesn't want instanced housing is because it'd harm the "housing community".

I guess the investors could pressure them to.

What's more likely is that they figure out how to let people change floor layouts with a mogstore only item.

They may be doing that (different interior layouts) with the “housing mirage” already, and from what little they’ve said about it, it doesn’t seem like it would be a mogstation thing. Would we need to pay extra gil to resize our interiors? Somehow I doubt that too, unless they make it a flat “remodeling” fee or permit thing, because you’re still going to have the same size plot no matter what you do to the inside, and the plot is what you’re bidding/paying for. I don’t see them making you fork over a full 50 million gil to make a large interior inside a small plot cottage, but who knows? I’m just hoping for a variety of layouts to be added, and not just the 3 existing sizes.

Square Enix should be on their hands and knees thanking their players for even putting up with a monthly sub in the year 2023, especially for how sparse the content rollouts are in this game. That "pay monthly or don't play at all" style of monetization is phased out pretty much everywhere except, I guess, WoW? I can't think of another game that even does it anymore. Some games will have monthly subs but it'll be to obtain extra stuff; you'll still be able to play the base game without paying a sub. But this game will log you out when your sub expires and that's pretty rare afaik. In that vein, Square is super fortunate to have players who're willing to buy the base game, pay a monthly subscription, and have a separate cash shop while they roll out like 3 major updates a year and then sit on their asses doing nothing but updating the cash shop monthly.

In that vein, hell no I wouldn't pay for instanced housing. SE gets enough of my money. Instanced housing is something they should've figured out years ago. Island Sanctuary should've been the key; they had instances with housing elements, but instead they discontinued further production of it because loooool of course they did. Gotta keep homeowners on a tight leash, right? After all, if people don't fear permanently losing a residence, they might unsubscribe while your devteam's pulling another 4-6 month down-period where nothing worth subbing for is happening, but there's still a subscription fee :)

Hell, I'll keep it real for a minute. With how many players don't even play the game but stay subbed so they can enter their house and keep it, they are essentially paying for a house already. I know this isn't what you mean, but I'm just saying -- consider how many people don't even take up space on this game's servers but they still hand the company money like they're just paying rent. the housing situation and the game's monetization in general are both atrocious. It's amazing that SE gets away with it with almost 0 vocal criticism from the community while other games that're at least free to play might have a similarly priced cash shop to XIV and get raked through the coals. If some f2p game sells level skips and time savers, it's awful! But when XIV sells job/story skips? Crickets. Free game has a 40 dollar mount? Disgusting! XIV has a 40 dollar aCcOuNt wIdE mount? "What are you, poor? If you don't like it, don't buy it!" MMO gamers are weird (putting it nicely) and deserve everything they get. Myself included, ngl