Achievements collecting has no real rewards

This game doesnt seam to care about achievement hunters despite many different achievements. There are no threshold rewards (like for example all arr, all stb, all shb achievements) and so this game does not incentivise the collection of achievements past the 1 title u want and or mount.

Some players really want to go for every achievement yet some of them ridiculous gaps like say. 10 times, the next achievement is 100. Then 1000 or 5000. These gaps are insane and just feel like padding it out to make u play the game more. Imo these gaps should be made much more realistic going forward.

But overall. I want to see reform to achievement collection so that hunting them has some tangible value and something you can show off that isn't just. Another title, another mount.

I don't care about achievements if they don't have rewards attached to them. After that, it's busy work and arbitrary numbers.

Unless every achievement gives you a reward, nothing is going to change. And if there's always a reward, there isn't one.

For me, when it comes to the 100 to 1000 to 5000, I just look at the person who made it that ridiculous with contempt. Because they don't care about your time. People shout long-term goals. But THE only reward being behind 5000 of anything makes 5000 the only number that matters to me. Letting me know I'm at 1000 is just a waste of code. So I can get named achievement number 2.

Maybe because I'm from the generation that was around for the birth of video game achievements and achievement points, but I don't care. I don't care if I have a million points or 12. I just want the item attached to the meta achievement. Everything else is worthless to me.

I would just ramp up the last tier to do X 1,000,000 times to get to the heart of the reason for these kinds of achievements: Engagement Therapy

While there are some interesting rewards from some achievements... I really agree with the OP.

I'd say that 80% of them are really meaningless. The achievement hoarding is not even useful for 'bragging rights' if someone likes that because who even checks other people's profiles to see those?

Plus, most of them are also just... grinds. I'd love to see more of something (with proper gratification) like "Do X Alliance Raid without taking any unavoidable damage". Currently out of my memory the only one that slightly resembles that is the Blue Mage achievement to get one of their weapon skins.

Na, I'm glad the rewards are just mounts/a silly hat (that I can't wear..)/ or a title that no one cares about. At least then it's super easy to just ignore them once I get what I want. 10k fates? I don't ever have to think about that achievement thankfully, because there's no reward!

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Originally Posted by Raikai

While there are some interesting rewards from some achievements... I really agree with the OP.

I'd say that 80% of them are really meaningless. The achievement hoarding is not even useful for 'bragging rights' if someone likes that because who even checks other people's profiles to see those?

Plus, most of them are also just... grinds. I'd love to see more of something (with proper gratification) like "Do X Alliance Raid without taking any unavoidable damage". Currently out of my memory the only one that slightly resembles that is the Blue Mage achievement to get one of their weapon skins.

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Only other achievement hunters do using third party websites and unsurprisingly most people cheat for high end achievements.

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Originally Posted by Bonoki

Only other achievement hunters do using third party websites and unsurprisingly most people cheat for high end achievements.

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Most people cheat for high end achievements? Sounds like nonsense. The people that do cheat for achievements are just losers regardless. The best part is they can't escape their conscience. They know deep down they are losers.

Weird how completionists have changed from enjoying the pride of accomplishment and instead want incentives and flashy rewards to show off to people who literally do not care whatsoever. Learn to value your own time instead of assuming it's a waste to do something if you don't get candy at the end.

Uh, it has rewards, it just doesn't have good milestones, or good enough participatory milestone rewards.

Looking at the Pteranodon, for example, I would've had more participatory stuff at, say, 200/250K. A minion, mount or adventurer plate would suffice in instances such as these. In fact, I probably would've reworked Gathering and Crafting in the air to be 50K on each class, rather than just a single class.

Like, I have been complemented, and had banter with friends over getting the Pteranodon - Just as I have done so with a friend that has the Tiger mount, because it is a pretty insane grind, especially for Divine Provider, even after the adjustments from ShB > EW. But there's simply nothing in between to actually encourage a lot of people to start the journey.

Achievement tokens themselves are in a weird spot, but that's just because I personally feel that the rewards from the achievements themselves should be funneled into this to some degree.

The fishing achievements are actually probably the best designed, in terms of rewards, and milestones.

You should probably consider that most people hunting achievements are just completionists regardless of the rewards, and some just compete with each others, some like the simple dopamine hit

Achievements are busywork to keep people subbed.

I am fine with how they are currently structured. They allow for a passive or aggressive pursuit towards obtaining them. Most of them anyway. But since the majority of the rewards aren't much to be desired, I don't feel obligated to get them done in a timely manner.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

Most people cheat for high end achievements? Sounds like nonsense. The people that do cheat for achievements are just losers regardless. The best part is they can't escape their conscience. They know deep down they are losers.

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I mean we literally had the Bill Murray situation not that long ago who also caused awareness to other achievement hunter cheaters from the aftermath. Happened again with Fall Guys. It is infact a thing that unfortunately happens. Maybe not on a widespread scale but it does happen. It is pathetic.

Not everything needs to have a reward at the end. It's the journey not the destination. It's the friends we made along the way.

<insert your own platitude>

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

This game doesnt seam to care about achievement hunters despite many different achievements. There are no threshold rewards (like for example all arr, all stb, all shb achievements) and so this game does not incentivise the collection of achievements past the 1 title u want and or mount.

Some players really want to go for every achievement yet some of them ridiculous gaps like say. 10 times, the next achievement is 100. Then 1000 or 5000. These gaps are insane and just feel like padding it out to make u play the game more. Imo these gaps should be made much more realistic going forward.

But overall. I want to see reform to achievement collection so that hunting them has some tangible value and something you can show off that isn't just. Another title, another mount.

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Some of them have actual rewards. I know crafting/gathering drops a few glam stuff not to mention the minions and mounts.

Achievements aren't meant to incentivize you to do them. It's a challenge for you to complete in game on that character.

It's a sense of completion of that specific aspect of the game. If you need something to insentivize you to do it then you don't need to be doing it.

Again, they are there for you to complete on your time and as a sense of accomplishment.

It's sad that this needed to be pointed out.

They could add adventurer plate design kits for 10k, 20k and 30k (when we get there) archievement points

Other than that, a mount every 5k could be a nice milestone too

Wait...what?

I mean, hunting achievements is its own reward to me, always is in games. It's the experience and knowing you did a thing and know a part of a game inside and out, or found/did some rare thing that few/no other people have done. I don't tend to 100% things for rewards, I 100% things because it's fun; it IS its own reward.

That said, there are tons of rewards, aren't there? A lot of rare mounts come from achievements, some gear pieces/sets, titles, glowy weapons, etc. It's also fun to look at the sites that give rough %s of people that have things and go "oh, that was a rare one, neat!" Like the DoL gather X000 things from Y-Z level range ones, not many people do those.

I dunno, I guess it depends on the type of person you are. I do think having some kind of region/expansion ones would be neat, but stop and ask yourself how many people actually have ALL ARR or ALL SB etc achievements - remember, that would include the things like raiding the deepest room of the Aquapolis 20 times. I'm not even sure ANYone has all achievements from any one given expansion just because of how diverse the content in a given expansion IS. Like, you'd have to clear battle content like Ultimates and Savages 20 times, but also the RNG luck of clearing all the maps of that expansion 20 times, but also the nonstandard content like Eureka or Bozja getting all the field notes and stuff, but also all the Deep Dungeon stuff like getting a solo clear and getting 10,000 pieces of the accursed horde WITHOUT A POMANDER telling you where to stand, making so many collectables from ALL the crafters, getting all relics weapons AND tools, maxing out your Island Sanctuary wallet, doing all quests in all zones in the game, win so many LORD OF VERMILION matches, get a high rating in Mahjong, etc.

Like, seriously think about that. For all people say that there's not much content to do in EW, look through all the EW achievements and ask yourself what it would take for you to do ALL of them. The reason people say they're out of content is because the content they haven't done is stuff they either don't know about or (more often) don't want to do. Even achievement hunters have limits. Like I've done (literally) every quest line in the game other than some of the relic weapons for Jobs I don't care to ever really use, and that I haven't finished any of the relic tools yet (almost finished one of the HW ones...), but I don't really care about doing Ultimates, for example.

I imagine "complete every achievement in X expansion" is kind of wasted development because the amount of people that would get THEM ALL is probably extremely slim, if not outright 0.

What I hate about Achievements in XIV and how they're handled is that they're busy work and structured like people can't think for themselves about if they wanna do content or not. I also dislike seeing people saying they feel obligated to do achievements if there are ones that are worth while. It sounds like a them problem that they cannot pase themselves and not just play the game ad naseum. It's like saying your friends shouldn't be allowed to drink because you can't control yourself when you drink.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

this game does not incentivise the collection of achievements past the 1 title u want and or mount.

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Yes, but it incentivises up to the mount or minion reward and usually that is a more reasonable achievement, so I just do up to there, personally.

I agree that being higher than this is just ridiculous or expecting people to repeat content an amount of times that is not only not fun, but also not healthy. For example, I have 411 out of 20,000 pieces of the Accursed Horde out of the entire time POTD has been out.

Not only do we need more rewards for collecting achievements, we need achievements for collecting those rewards. But what for? For other rewards, which in turn also reward achievements. What's the point of those achievements? More rewards. What's the point of those rewards? More achievements.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

This game doesnt seam to care about achievement hunters despite many different achievements. There are no threshold rewards (like for example all arr, all stb, all shb achievements) and so this game does not incentivise the collection of achievements past the 1 title u want and or mount.

Some players really want to go for every achievement yet some of them ridiculous gaps like say. 10 times, the next achievement is 100. Then 1000 or 5000. These gaps are insane and just feel like padding it out to make u play the game more. Imo these gaps should be made much more realistic going forward.

But overall. I want to see reform to achievement collection so that hunting them has some tangible value and something you can show off that isn't just. Another title, another mount.

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You're contradicting yourself. First you complain that achievements are just to pad the game out, then you say you want more reasons to pad the game out.

An achievement hunter is after completing the achievements, not getting the rewards. If they feel like an achievement isn't worth doing without a reward, then they're not achievement hunters. They're reward hunters.

The last thing achievements need are more rewards. As you say, it's gotten to the point where the rewards feel like just another title, just another cosmetic item to be forgotten in the Armoire, just another mount, just another minion. And yet there will be players who will feel like they have to play more to earn the achievements and get those rewards. It's not a healthy behavior and shouldn't be encouraged.

If SE needs to do anything, it's to make better use of the Achievement certificate system. Normal game play yields more certificates than can be used, especially for the Veteran players who had already received most of the rewards through the old Veteran program. Adding Fantasias and non-tradeable versions of the special dyes would give players an additional use for the certificates earned without making players feel like they have to go out of their way to earn more achievements to get special rewards.

I don't mind it, getting hard achievements is fun and I care about those ones.

I do not care about tedious achievements that are braindead, like the discover 20,000 Accursed Hoards one. That is a stupid achievement I have no interest in.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

I don't mind it, getting hard achievements is fun and I care about those ones.

I do not care about tedious achievements that are braindead, like the discover 20,000 Accursed Hoards one. That is a stupid achievement I have no interest in.

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The strange thing is those achievements actually give you nothing outside worthless points. I was going to do the 1k frontline wins for each gc but as there is no reward I decided my sanity was more important.

I work on certain achievements when I'm in the mood and I feel adding more rewards would be fine. It wouldn't inspire me to do content I'm not interested in, but as long as it was an overall increase not restricted to any one type of activity there would be something for me to do in my spare time.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Achievements are busywork to keep people subbed.

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The truth isn't allowed on these forums! How dare you!

Imo there are too many really unhealthy achievements, that unless it was a weak system I'd be quite leery of it and what would get put behind it and if it was weak then.. not sure it would help for the OP's desire.

I think best bet would be carefully revamping veteran reward system :) (which is essentially the certificate system).

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Some players really want to go for every achievement yet some of them ridiculous gaps like say. 10 times, the next achievement is 100. Then 1000 or 5000. These gaps are insane and just feel like padding it out to make u play the game more.

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Yes, that's kind of the idea behind most video game achievements.

If you don't feel like it, there's nothing saying you have to.

I greatly prefer achievement systems without rewards. The incentive for playing a game should be the enjoyment. Incentive systems just mask hollow content that isn't actually desirable and pressure people into devoting time to things they don't want to do.

I know that no one wants to hear this, but here it is: it's just not that serious, my friends.

This is why people do achievements:

https://www.lalachievements.com/rank...vement/global/

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Originally Posted by Reap00

Most people cheat for high end achievements? Sounds like nonsense. The people that do cheat for achievements are just losers regardless. The best part is they can't escape their conscience. They know deep down they are losers.

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I wouldn't say most.
But it only takes a few to take the enjoyment out of it for everyone.

I wish they were more creative with achievements. I liked the ones in WoW where you had to do something weird during a battle that often made it harder. Or the many bizarre event achievements.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I wouldn't say most.
But it only takes a few to take the enjoyment out of it for everyone.

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Was my enjoyment for earning Castle in the Sky less because others cheated? No, because I put honest effort into earning it every step of the way.

It's the other players' problem if they earned something through cheating because they're not competent enough to get it otherwise. In the end, they achieved nothing.

People are doing it wrong if they're measuring the value of what they do by what cheaters do.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Was my enjoyment for earning Castle in the Sky less because others cheated? No, because I put honest effort into earning it every step of the way.

It's the other players' problem if they earned something through cheating because they're not competent enough to get it otherwise. In the end, they achieved nothing.

People are doing it wrong if they're measuring the value of what they do by what cheaters do.

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Yeah i'll never understand why people are so hyper fixaited on what others do and how in XIV. This is the only game I've seen where players care more about themselves then others but at the same time hyper focus on what others are doing.

Even if there are no rewards, they need to be fun to do. Perhaps I am wrong, but aren't most achievements either "You completed X thing" or "You did thing 1/5/10/100/1000+ times"? It doesn't really make me go "Oh thats interesting/That could be fun!"

The reward is bragging to the thousands of woman I talk to everyday. The ladies love the achievements :cool:

There are some achievements that just scare me to get (looking at you Accursed Hoard), but I like the feeling of grinding an achievement out. I do wish that some of them came with more than just a pop-up and some points to a shop that only has 30 items, which I have most of minus the three I mention below.

Three you have to unlock via Mahjong or Fishing or Ocean Fishing achievements. I just learned about the framing kits there as I was typing this.

I'm glad they expanding the achievements with the framing kits, but I still wish there were more.

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Originally Posted by Equitable_Remedy

I know that no one wants to hear this, but here it is: it's just not that serious, my friends.

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Surely you can't be serious!

And no, I'm not calling you Shirley.

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Originally Posted by strawberrycake

Yeah i'll never understand why people are so hyper fixaited on what others do and how in XIV. This is the only game I've seen where players care more about themselves then others but at the same time hyper focus on what others are doing.

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It's the same when people clear ultimates. Automatically, you've been carried even if, like, let's say you're a streamer. You literally streamed all your prog, but you got carried. It's so stupid. Just play the game and shut up. Worry about you. Hell, I'm not super good at the game, and I did a BA run in Eureka, and my old FC mate asked me, "How much did it cost?" And I was like,"Nothing. I joined a discord and joined a run and listened to the voice chat." It's so dumb.

Btw. BA is super easy to do if you are reading this and you're worried about doing it.

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Originally Posted by KenZentra

Even if there are no rewards, they need to be fun to do. Perhaps I am wrong, but aren't most achievements either "You completed X thing" or "You did thing 1/5/10/100/1000+ times"? It doesn't really make me go "Oh thats interesting/That could be fun!"

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You are correct and I understand anyone who is not interested in them or looks at them and thinks that doesn't look fun or interesting. As someone who collects achievements in every game that I play, this one has me questioning myself all the time because a lot of them are not fun nor are they intresting.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

An achievement hunter is after completing the achievements, not getting the rewards. If they feel like an achievement isn't worth doing without a reward, then they're not achievement hunters. They're reward hunters.

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I agree, I dont care about the rewards but I do care about the structure and innovation of achievements. Currently, there is none and it doesn't feel good to complete most of the achievements in ffxiv to me. I just have because I have played for so long and people will be like hey it's you. I usually respond hello? cause I am confused because it means little to nothing to be ranked high on my server for achievements because these achievements are complete shit.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Achievements are busywork to keep people subbed.

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I hear this thrown around a lot but it's a niche group of people that do achievements enough to keep them sub. Myself being one of them, will stay subbed no matter what. I have for 10+ years now. I don't think it excuses the repetitive, boring structure that they have going on where every achievement is just x times a number and usually a high number that doesn't make you feel good about it in the end or insane achievements that take 7+ years to complete. If achievements are supposed to help keep people subbed and they see they have 7+ years minimum to get every achievement due to time-gated achievements attached to a dull repetitive task. I don't think it inspires people to get into it in the first place. They are just doing achievements completely wrong. If they want to force us to stay subbed then do an achievement that makes you do a certain task every month for a whole year. I don't think this is a good design but it's a lot better than x10k achievement or x20k that just encourages botting.