I'm getting tired of Unspoiled/Legendary Gathering Nodes not being accessible when you're on a different world from your own or simply on an entire different Data Center.
What is the purpose of restricting Legendary/Unspoiled Nodes?
Because as it stands right now when timers are up, we can't access them. It's a major inconvenience for those who want to gather while visiting friends on a separate world or are doing something to help them out - it's not going to crash the market either because we can't even access Retainers except on Home World.
If anything, I think it's just to artificially force people back to their Home World(as dead as some can be *cough* Dynamis *cough*). It's nothing but a nuisance at this point when I want to help someone out.
What do people think?
Remove the Gathering Restriction on Crossworld/Cross DC
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11-19-2023, 07:46 AMHyperiusUltimaRemove the Gathering Restriction on Crossworld/Cross DC
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11-20-2023, 02:30 AMJeeqbit
So you can't gather on one world, then switch to another and gather again, when the purpose of timed nodes is that it limits how much you can gather.
It does prevent off-worlders from spawning certain S ranks that involve timed nodes though. -
11-20-2023, 02:32 AMCanadane
I think more reasons to populate ones home world is a good thing.
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11-20-2023, 02:55 AMGTK0HLK
it's both a negative and a positive.
Regardless I doubt most people will be so fast to be able to travel between maps so quickly to be able to game it.
As for keeping people in their World/DC has other solutions for it. This isn't a good deterrent as it always has been.
(so in the end there really is no reason to not allow players to harvest, as they are likely there for other reasons)
The real question and answer that matters.
Is it only a technical reason why it isn't allowed, like players accessing retainers or other system related reasons?
If so, then the answer is probably no luck in future change, and it didn't even need responses that don't directly affect it. -
11-20-2023, 07:33 AMJojoyaWhy are you stopping to gather if your purpose on the other world is to do things with friends? Shouldn't you be doing things with those friends instead? It would be pretty annoying to be in a group with you if you were stepping away for 2 minutes every 6 minutes to gather from a node.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima
What do I think the purpose is? To keep the limits on how much a player can gather from the timed nodes. It could be that something about the transfer process wipes flags related to gathering. If they could set it so you could only gather from a node once per gathering window regardless of what world you're on, I doubt we'd have the restriction.
I don't think it's necessary to have off world access.
Dynamis wouldn't be dead if Dynamis characters would play on Dynamis and their friends come to Dynamis to play there instead of most of them going to other data centers. Dynamis worlds have level cap populations equal to or greater than most JP worlds now. It's the not the Dynamis of a year ago when it was a handful of just transferred level cap characters and a bunch of new characters trying to cash in on the million gil bonus. -
11-20-2023, 12:07 PMHyperiusUltimaWhy are you stopping to respond in here if your purpose is to make an assumption and not ask what's actually being done with my time? That's right - *INSERT CANNED SUB RESPONSE HERE*Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
That's a bit of an issue as is. They're called timed nodes for a reason: They have timers that limit the resource in the market, and also how much you can gather in said time hour by hour. Gathering once per window would suck given at most per hit even with proper GP buffs you only get anywhere from 5-7 in a hit depending on if you're using King's Yield II or banking on Gatherer's Boon GP-wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
If you don't think it's necessary, give me a good reason why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
Ah yes, the canned response in regards to Dynamis. You could say this about just about ANY world that isn't on Aether Data Center because it is the community's fault for forcing people to gather on one DC outright for content. This is why all other DCs are considered "Dead" in some respect and their raiding aspects have been completely removed from their world due to the Community's obsession with Aether being the DC to do anything and everything on. This included Crystal, which was building its raid scene pretty well already, and Primal, which had a developed raid scene that was in contrast to Aether.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
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11-20-2023, 12:10 PMHyperiusUltimaYeah, you wouldn't be able to travel around fast enough to even get enough gains on it, especially since your GP is going to be pretty drained after you dump your GP for Solid Reason/Ageless Words procs.Quote:
Originally Posted by GTK0HLK
If it is a technical reason as to why we can't have it, I'm willing to concede - but until then, I will push for it. -
11-20-2023, 12:13 PMHyperiusUltimaWhile it is a good incentive, if our worlds in perspective were alive for content and not wastelands like we're starting to see now even on Primal, we wouldn't be shoehorned to go to Aether for everything and it'd be hunky-dory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadane
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11-20-2023, 12:29 PMRitsukoSonodaWhich almost sounds like they need to impose more visitation restrictions so ppl do more on their home worlds or permanently move to the other one... >.> lolQuote:
Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima
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11-20-2023, 12:29 PMBellsong
SE: You cannot world hop and gather multiple timed nodes >: (
Also SE: World hop as many times as you want for hunt mobs fam :> -
11-20-2023, 06:54 PMNekoMataMataAccurate. You can spend an entire day doing nothing but hunt trains by hopping from world to world and DC to DC now. It's actually really annoying during peak hours or when people need endgame tomes for something(like new relic steps).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bellsong
Just curious but can you provide the data/stats for this? Not doubting, but I'm curious. I used to go to hosted events for EW's alliance raids on Dynamis, and half the time when I clicked through all the parties I'd notice that more people were travelers than not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
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11-20-2023, 08:51 PMJojoyaYou're the one who said it is inconvenient for those who are visiting their friends on other data centers. Pardon me for assuming that perhaps you are one of those players instead of someone simply using other players as an excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima
So you want me to ask. I'm asking. Just what do you do with your time that makes you think it is necessary to have access to timed nodes while you are off world?
I don't need to give you any reasons. I'm not asking for timed node access to be changed and you have no say in the game's design.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima
You're the one who needs to come up with good reasons that will convince the developers that it is necessary for players to have access to timed nodes when they are off world.
Good luck.
Latest LB census:Quote:
Originally Posted by NekoMataMata
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=627409761
Farthest right column is active level 90 character population. For Dynamis worlds, the range is 9434 to 13149. For JP worlds, the range is 3449 to 16507. There are 6 out 32 JP worlds that have more level 90 characters than the highest Dynamis world, 10 out of 32 worlds that have level 90 populations lower than the lowest Dynamis world and 16 out of 32 worlds within the same range as Dynamis.
Unfortunately, I doubt we're going to get enough players to change their minds about going off data center for content since that's a world wide problem for the game and not one that's limited to Dynamis or even NA. SE would have to shut down data center travel and that would be a very unpopular move with a large portion of the player base, including JP players. -
11-20-2023, 10:06 PMiVolkeThat's the only thing Jojoya doesQuote:
Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima
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11-20-2023, 11:15 PMThurmnmurmn
Agreed, they should let you gather on other worlds.
If they can figure out a way to add a limit of only mining 1 of any unique node per hour (or 30 mins for those old ARR nodes) per example. That way you can't double dip.
Dunno about the technical side of it though.
The fact you can do it with hunts is normal. Hunts require a group of people and require scouting/spawning for them to even occur. And none of that was actually even intended by the devs. That's all community made.
Meanwhile gathering is just, anyone can go get it when it's up. -
11-21-2023, 07:28 AMRavenblade1979*facepalms*Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima
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11-22-2023, 06:38 AMHyperiusUltimaSubmarines. My FC’s already set up for Fight Club as is and I want to help a friend’s FC. We already have no use for stuff aside from Cocobolo(since that’s a hot market item) anyhow. Mass gathering for Subs is a pain when you start out because you need a crap ton of Darksteel Ore for it all - here’s the kicker: Darksteel is up only once an hour. Missing that window sets people back a lot and they don’t have many Crafters and Gatherers up to level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
I ask for a reason because you state that it’s not necessary, when the stigma of the problem is the community stacking everything on Aether DC for nearly every piece of content. Also, people do have a say in the game’s design because whatever feedback we give Yoshida and his developers is considered; go look up Synodic Scribe’s video on that subject. It’s worth a watch and better than streamer perspectives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
Or you know…the biggest and most popular solution that needs infrastructure built? Cross-DC PF and DF for regional DCs. By doing that, you completely solve the Aether problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
To put it simply, if you create globalization, you need to globalize things so that they are accessible in a global environment(*global referring to Data Centers). Since we have some localized pieces of content, it makes things difficult and removes said activity from gameplay while you’re on another world.
To name them: Gathering, Cactpot Board, Retainers(understandable due to marketboard implications), Mog Mail(yes, you have to return home to access your newly bought Fantasia), and Free Company buffs and access, Duty Finder(limited to per DC at the moment), Party Finder(blame the community for stacking on Aether).
While small, globalizing Gathering by allowing Legendary and Unspoiled Nodes to be hit for the full durability would be a QoL to have unless they state specific technical limitations since Gathering is a large part of End-Game Marketboarding or Crafting Pots, Equipment, and High-End Food. -
11-22-2023, 08:01 AMGTK0HLKSadly, many here probably don't understand how many things overall give reasons for SE to not bother.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima
If we for say wanted a system that is both Accountwide in game/shop/achievements. it would press them to find a solution to things like storage, glamour, Gearing speed, progression types.
if they had you able to disconnect from your homeworld asides the reasonable things(which are very minor in what they are) people will be able to enjoy their servers, but also visit friends.
and if that applied well into a RegionWide DF/PF/PVP [KINDALIKETHECLOUDTESTISRN LOL], DCs such as Dynamis(and maybe even Materia if it had at least some partial interaction with their closest DCS) would have a more expedient growth in population rather than the Forced Growths that we will see around Major Expac/Patch Days.
<I certainly hope this topic of gathering for yourself, or making use of your time in other Worlds/DC reaches the devs Ears/Eyes/Mind. More So since there really is no huge loss. as many things prevent any negatives.>
Just as this will improve basic enjoyment of the game and how you can truly enjoy your time with others.
(this is just a piece of the tide that will raise other topics/boats to be considered or tested, and dare hope to be implemented.)
If anything, it's simply just doing a task and earning from it. (they can't even say it's technical. if it was, no one would DC Travel or World Travel for content.) -
11-22-2023, 08:55 AMJojoyaBrief suggestion for your friend's FC if they aren't using their garden patch(es) to grow other things they need: grow Voidrake then turn the Voidrake in at the Curious Crop Exchange for the Darksteel Ore. I haven't needed to farm the ore in a couple of years because I'm stockpiling the Voidrake.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima
But you're still able to farm the Darksteel on your home world then bring it with you when your friend's FC needs it. It goes a lot easier if you plan and collect what is needed in advance.
Yet it's still possible to play the game normally on Primal and Crystal, and some content can be played normally even on Dynamis. It's a player created problem and players have the ability to fix it if they would simply remember that they were getting all that content done even before data center travel was added. They don't need to be going to Aether.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima
We already know that a lot of our feedback doesn't reach the developers. There was the classic "RMT isn't a problem on any worlds" until YoshiP did one of his walks on a NA world just to be constantly interrupted by RMT spam. Suddenly part of the dev team was being asked to address it. Earlier this year YoshiP stated during a broadcast that the problem with players congregating on a single data center for PF content was limited to the JP worlds when NA/EU players had been complaining about the exact same problem for close to a year. That throws a lot of doubt on whether they even get the NA/EU feedback, and if they bother paying attention to it if they do. Sometimes the JP player base has had the same opinion as the NA/EU players (things like use of mods). Maybe the changes that made us feel like they are listening to us really happened because the same requests were made by the JP player base.
I'm not saying don't bother leaving feedback. It never hurts to try. But we still have no actual say in the game design. It's up to SE to decide if the player base has a legitimate concern that they will address or if they will not do it for whatever reason. If we had an actual say, the game would be very different right now because we would have a "vote" in the decision-making process.
And that is something that SE has been working toward outside of the timed nodes. Their original intent for world visit (though not data center travel) was to allow players to have access to their retainers when on other worlds in their home data center. They hit a technical limitation that they couldn't solve at the time. The homeworld restriction on the timed nodes could be another technical issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima
They may well be trying to "globalize" as you describe, which would be their choice about how to design their game. I still don't see a need to create the off world access to timed nodes with the current server set up when most gathering of that type is planned in advance. I also won't complain if SE chooses to change it as long as there is still access equivalent to what we currently have.
What you might consider is focusing your feedback on your specific concern, in this case access to the Darksteel Ore, instead of on timed nodes in general. Darksteel Ore was mainly for crafting end game gear when introduced. Now it's used mainly for the workshops and some housing furnishings. It's rarely used for making gear since most players are going to get the Ironworks tomestone gear.
Perhaps it's at the point that there's no benefit to the game in leaving those original ARR unspoiled nodes as timed. If SE wants to preserve some rarity, they could change the materials to hidden (similar to Mythrite Ore, etc.) so players wouldn't always get the material but would still get it often enough and would have more flexibility on when to gather. Then other nodes that should remain timed will not be affected by the change. -
11-22-2023, 09:05 AMEorzeaWanderer
A bit off-topic for this thread, but I disagree that congregating on a single data center is a player-created problem. It is a player-discovered, optimal solution to the game environment as it is currently designed by SE.
Multiplayer content works better with more people together, and we can freely DC transfer to congregate. Therefore, a single place of congregation makes sense from the players’ perspective.
For NA, for better or for worse, this place of congregation has become Aether.
(I hate this situation, by the way, but let’s not fault the players for it.) -
11-22-2023, 09:11 AMThurmnmurmnThe outcome is Square's fault for sure. But it is still a player made issue. Everyone decided to start going to aether. We could stop as a collective at any time (but we all know it's near impossible to coordinate/convince that many people).Quote:
Originally Posted by EorzeaWanderer
Blame still goes to square but to say it's not player made is false.
I just don't blame the players for it since it's the most logical for a better experience. -
11-22-2023, 09:59 AMJojoyaIn some cases, it's better. Not in all cases though.Quote:
Originally Posted by EorzeaWanderer
Having 10,000 players instead of 6,000 players available doesn't help if the needed role ratio is 2-2-4 but the ratio of those available is 2-1-5. You're still going to have a large number of players waiting longer in hopes that others will show up to fill the missing role.
There's also a limit on how many instances the instance servers for each data center can have open at one time. Using some numbers for an example: if the instance servers can handle 1,000 concurrent 8 man instances but there are 10,000 players waiting, even if the role ratio is correct you've got 2,000 player that have to wait on some of the 8,000 in those instances to finish their duties so a new instance can be formed.
I don't think anyone wants another Raubahn EX-like situation yet the more that players congregate on a single data center, the more likely it is to happen.
If SE is satisfied by the results of the stress test this week, it could be that they have a solution to the problem of having huge number of players choosing to congregate on the same data center.
If they are not happy with the cloud servers, then it would have been better for everyone if at least 2,000 of those hypothetical 10,000 had remained on their home data center to use the instance server resources available there instead of overburdening the instance servers on the already congested data center they traveled to.
It is a problem that players have caused. They are using data center travel for reasons other than SE intended.
It is a problem that players can solve by staying on their home data center unless they are playing with friends on other data centers.
Or we can let SE implement the only solution available to them at this time - shut down data center travel completely.
Is that what players really want so they can avoid accepting responsibility for the choices they freely made? They could continue to blame things on the big evil SE but it's not going to restore their access to other data centers if SE does not have anything else they can implement.