My fellow Monks, what are hoping for in 7.0

I for one hope they don't re-work the entire thing AGAIN

Overall I'm happy with where Monk is but there a few things I would like to see added
1/ Another OGCD we are really light on these and it would be nice to have something else to press between rotations now and then (maybe rework 6 sided star into a normal OGCD with a cooldown)

2/Finally do something, anything with anatman to make it not pointless

What would you like to see?

anyone who frequents Monk discussion will already know what I'm about, so I'll spare people my usual drivel about Chakra and talk about other stuff for once. I'm gonna mostly repeat some stuff that I've said in a thread almost 7 months back so this is what I would generally like to see outside of the obvious:

- Pressure Point (trait) - using skills like Forbidden Chakra/Enlightenment, Six Sided Star, Form Shift or Riddle of Wind gives the Pressure Point buff, increasing the next (non-Blitz) GCD skill's damage by 50%. add some more interplay to our kit and I think it would create some interesting situations in both downtime and in conjunction with Perfect Balance.

- Internal Release (returning oGCD) - 15 second buff on a 45s cooldown, all GCDs under this buff open a Chakra. preferably without the awful delay that Brotherhood has. nothing special, just a roaming cooldown to make downtime more engaging.

- a visual upgrade to Elixir Field, preferably named Aura Bolt. upgrade the other GCD skills too I guess, it would be cool to see some more XI weaponskills like Shijin Spiral.

- give Leaden Bootshine the Raiden Thrust treatment. yes, I'm still bothered that one of our strongest combo GCDs looks completely pathetic. it would have some actual quality of life too so people who can't keep track of buffs can notice when Leaden Fist is active by seeing the skill change on their bar.

-Something to do in between Blitz windows. More impactful positionals or a more varied rotation to keep us mentally engaged between the fun bits.

-Anatman being a cooldown to turn us into a super saiyan. Martial artists channeling their ki to power up is such a cool trope and the closest we get is the wet fart that is powering up Forbidden Chakra.

-Touch of Death. Pretty please? I miss you.

Positionals returned, though alongside some manner of leniency system.

Twin Snakes and Dragon Kick base potency nerfed; siphoned away towards other actions, especially True Strike, as to allow for Twin Snakes dropping for a GCD to be situationally optimal, as compared to forcing up to 6s of duration waste in all contexts during any normal rotational string (one not manipulable via a [prior] PB).

Chakra generation (and maybe initial damage display) given a more consistent (and shorter) delay from weaponskill hits.

Removing Meditation in place of just generating a point of Chakra for each half-GCD spent off the GCD (i.e., of downtime), with granular progress saved and visibly tracked. (Mostly so this can free us up to spend Chakra at less than the maximum amount that can be held at once without needing button-bloat.)

Chakra spenders varied in actions yet consolidated in button count. (E.g., maybe performing Quivering Palm -> Steel Peak -> The Forbidden Chakra -> Howling Fist -> Enlightenment, based on the amount of Chakra spent, with TFC having a bit of splash damage and the maximum amount of Chakra held and spendable at a time increasing with further unlocks and increases to Chakra's rate of in-combat generation.)

Some way of (more softly) enforcing form rotations that doesn't require Form Shift.

Riddle of Wind made more interesting, perhaps even as an alternative to Riddle of Fire (shared charges in such a way that optimal play floats the Riddle of Wind to varied timings and certain odd minutes don't use an RoF despite every even minute burst still using it, etc.).

Anatman made more interesting, perhaps as something that steadily generates durations (i.e., 1s of duration per second charging Anatman, not draining until after Anatman ends) of each of your personal buffs (Disciplined Fist, RoF, RoW, RoE, and even Sprint) for free, allowing you to seriously unload as soon as uptime resumes.

Maybe revise Blitz to have 1-step and 2-step forms as well, and the different Blitzes doing more than just slightly varying amounts of damage (though not splitting them merely into ST vs. AoE).

Maaaaayyybe replace the Chakra system altogether with MP generation, with MP being spendable to rush the cooldowns of your offensive and utility CDs, with said oGCDs returning as a few different actions varied by most recent form and %MP, or something like that. Said returning actions, too, though, shouldn't be left as mere empty apm (mere ST and/or AoE potency to be hit on CD).

I dont like Nadi and i want oGCDs and positionals back.

In fact, just go back to 5.4 monk with 7 Chakra added thanks.

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Originally Posted by VentVanitas

anyone who frequents Monk discussion will already know what I'm about, so I'll spare people my usual drivel about Chakra and talk about other stuff for once. I'm gonna mostly repeat some stuff that I've said in a thread almost 7 months back so this is what I would generally like to see outside of the obvious:

- Pressure Point (trait) - using skills like Forbidden Chakra/Enlightenment, Six Sided Star, Form Shift or Riddle of Wind gives the Pressure Point buff, increasing the next (non-Blitz) GCD skill's damage by 50%. add some more interplay to our kit and I think it would create some interesting situations in both downtime and in conjunction with Perfect Balance.

- Internal Release (returning oGCD) - 15 second buff on a 45s cooldown, all GCDs under this buff open a Chakra. preferably without the awful delay that Brotherhood has. nothing special, just a roaming cooldown to make downtime more engaging.

- a visual upgrade to Elixir Field, preferably named Aura Bolt. upgrade the other GCD skills too I guess, it would be cool to see some more XI weaponskills like Shijin Spiral.

- give Leaden Bootshine the Raiden Thrust treatment. yes, I'm still bothered that one of our strongest combo GCDs looks completely pathetic. it would have some actual quality of life too so people who can't keep track of buffs can notice when Leaden Fist is active by seeing the skill change on their bar.

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Wow those are some great ideas, love that pressure point, and yeah also hate the elixir field animation

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Originally Posted by Mecia

I dont like Nadi and i want oGCDs and positionals back.

In fact, just go back to 5.4 monk with 7 Chakra added thanks.

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While late Stormblood was my favorite iteration of Monk... I don't see how either among Shadowbringers' (A) original unusable-GL-based design and Anatman-dependence or (B) its later just-hit-on-CD oGCD bloat with virtually no core mechanic beyond not letting Chakra overcap... could be seen as better than Endwalker Monk if the latter were just given back its positionals and Anatman and RoW given some extra heft.

If we can't actually spend/manipulate GL in any meaningful fashion, to significant gameplay addition, I don't care to see it return. In Shadowbringers, it was solely a punishment (especially in shorter encounters) for being a Monk, with no commensurate advantage for that punishment. It took longer than ever to wind up, and Tornado Kick was by then pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

While late Stormblood was my favorite iteration of Monk... I don't see how either among Shadowbringers' (A) original unusable-GL-based design and Anatman-dependence or (B) its later just-hit-on-CD oGCD bloat with virtually no core mechanic beyond not letting Chakra overcap... could be seen as better than Endwalker Monk if the latter were just given back its positionals and Anatman and RoW given some extra heft.

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It would still feel like a lv70 job masquerading as a lv90 job, like SMN.

Current Monk feels like the complaints people have of doing nothing between bursts but instead its all throughout. A fast base GCD doesnt make combo GCDs interesting. Neither does fight specific optimizations.

I dont so much care for the GL timer but taking away 2 damage CDs with it made Monk feel so barebones. I like XIVs more oGCD centric combat system so agree to disagree i guess.

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Originally Posted by Mecia

It would still feel like a lv70 job masquerading as a lv90 job, like SMN.

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It doesn't feel any more like a "level 70 job" than BLM, DRG, NIN, etc., though? (Granted, that is about the most easily misconstrued comparison we can make, as Level 70 Monk in late Stormblood, when 70 was the cap, was probably the most complex it has ever been.)

Shadowbringer Monk oGCDs were just hit-on-CD. That was it. They were the equivalent of Empyreal Arrow if it didn't even grant Repertoire. And they had far less of an effect on the actual considerations across the periods between bursts than our off-minute Perfect Balance uses do now.

I wouldn't mind having them back if the cpm weren't just siphoned away from TFC/EnL, simply because I'm an apm junkie, but they offered nothing in terms of complexity.

• ARR's 10s GL timer actually gave the job depth in a small few contexts just by forcing the occasional Rockbreaker, Sprint, or delayed Demolish to maintain GL.
• HW's ToD and Fracture gave the job a bit further depth around the 21s Demolish at that time to create more GCD tiers and available variations than ARR's 18s Demolish was capable of despite otherwise being mostly cognitively identical (TK was only used as a finisher, EF was hit-on-CD, and Meditation didn't really see any more use cases than any other ranged filler; it was just outright better than Talon and Daggers in ppgcd and not cancelling combos). Unfortunately, it also replaced GL maintenance and MNK's accordant compositional impact with Form Shift (a chore in place of actual constraints).
• Stormblood, though only due to a lingering bug paired with Wind Tackle->Riddle of Wind, actually made GL a real resource for once (if only in single-target) and allowed for still more GCD tiers and available variations.
• Then Shadowbringers removed almost all of that thinking outside of its Anatman opener, in favor of alternatively clunk or empty apm. It was largely the worse state Monk was ever in.

Address the issue of chakra over-capping during brotherhood. Either make the cap for how many we can hold higher (and if they need to, make it so that we only still unlock 5 stacks when using meditate out of combat) or reduce the number of chakras needed to execute forbidden chakra. I also wouldn't mind if, like ninki, if there wasn't another skill added in we could use beyond just forbidden chakra and enlightenment, even if it's one that has a longer cooldown.

And just spitballing here, might be something they can do to make six sided star or anatman usable.

Also the job desperately needs something to do between perfect balance windows... though not sure what that might be since too much added means people will just save those skills for burst windows

Lastly, let using meditate out of combat also give both the lunar and solar nadi. It was really dumb to design the job so that unlike every other job in the game, if played as intended you can't use your hardest hitting move during the party burst window.

Not a monk main but i'll throw this out there: Give nadi's passive effects. If you have a solar nadi, your movement speed is increased. If you have a lunar nadi your defense is increased. Or something like that.

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Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull

Not a monk main but i'll throw this out there: Give nadi's passive effects. If you have a solar nadi, your movement speed is increased. If you have a lunar nadi your defense is increased. Or something like that.

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I wouldn't mind it, but it would be an exceptionally unresponsive way to provide either advantage, leaving it more preemptive/tactical than Monk has typically tended to be and unlikely to give reason for change the use cases (timings and order) of either.

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What if we didn't need Forms or Form Shift to provide our current rhythm (rotating through a trio of forms), and could maybe expand some of the available nuance therein just by getting rid of some clunk?

Expand the collapsible box below for a mock-up example:

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Greased Lightning - Trait
Attacking with your Opo-opo, Raptor, or Coeurl skills increases the damage of your next weaponskill from either other form by 30 potency. You may hold two instances of this effect at a time.

※ Form-based weaponskills used under Perfect Balance benefit and benefit from all forms.

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That is to say, when you open with an Opo-opo skill (e.g., Dragon Kick), then your next Raptor and Coeurl damage is increased by 30 potency. If you thereafter use a Raptor skill (e.g., Twin Snakes), then your next Coeurl skill will have +60 potency, while using an Opo-opo skill would only see +30 potency and another use of Raptor would see no damage increase.

Accordingly, repeating the same form twice would waste a would-be 60 potency bonus, and skipping ahead by a step would waste a would-be 30 potency bonus.

※Base potencies would of course be reduced by 60 in compensation, with the sum (during typical rotation) having identical power to now.

As such --with small tuning adjustments (that should occur regardless) to make Dragon Kick a little less OP-- you'd still be obliged to rotate as we do now in sustained combat.
However, it would also allow us to...

• dispense with the jank of needing Form bonuses and their lock-outs, as not to have the oddity of Opo-opo skills not actually being Opo-opo skills until after Coeurl or Form Shift,
• get rid of the bloat of Form Shift, and
• have some further situational burst options (e.g., Dragon->True->Leaden to finish off an enemy if it'd be too long before the next use case for ST damage).

Would that be of any interest to anyone?

From 7.0 I want all positionals returned and 6.3 Riddle of Earth change reverted.

I'd like for Riddle of Wind to grant a status/resource that causes the next use of Six Sided Star to be used without the doubled Weaponskill recast (IE: Instead of 3.88s it would be 1.94 like a normal GCD).

This succeeds in two goals. The primary goal is to give Six Sided Star occasional rotational use while still allowing it to be used for disconnects, letting it keep it's original utility while addressing player desire to use it rotationally. It also gives Riddle of Wind a more tangible effect since it just being an Auto Attack makes it nearly invisible as far as actual benefit in combat goes.

Otherwise I'm mostly just hoping they don't continue to strip things out of it, like if they were to change demolish so it wasn't used every third form Coeurl Skill by shortening the timer or changing the effect to simplify the job I'd be livid. I'd also like for them to return most of our positionals but I doubt that's going to happen.

My actual expectations are pretty easy to meet though. Elixir Field gets upgraded into a new skill that gets 50 more potency, potentially an animation update to a few of our other skills (True Strike, Bootshine, and Snap Punch all need this desperately), and probably a trait that increases the Chakra cap.

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Originally Posted by Salaatti

From 7.0 I want all positionals returned and 6.3 Riddle of Earth change reverted.

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God please no

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Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd

I'd like for Riddle of Wind to grant a status/resource that causes the next use of Six Sided Star to be used without the doubled Weaponskill recast (IE: Instead of 3.88s it would be 1.94 like a normal GCD).

This succeeds in two goals. The primary goal is to give Six Sided Star occasional rotational use while still allowing it to be used for disconnects, letting it keep it's original utility while addressing player desire to use it rotationally. It also gives Riddle of Wind a more tangible effect since it just being an Auto Attack makes it nearly invisible as far as actual benefit in combat goes.

Otherwise I'm mostly just hoping they don't continue to strip things out of it, like if they were to change demolish so it wasn't used every third form Coeurl Skill by shortening the timer or changing the effect to simplify the job I'd be livid. I'd also like for them to return most of our positionals but I doubt that's going to happen.

My actual expectations are pretty easy to meet though. Elixir Field gets upgraded into a new skill that gets 50 more potency, potentially an animation update to a few of our other skills (True Strike, Bootshine, and Snap Punch all need this desperately), and probably a trait that increases the Chakra cap.

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Love that idea

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Originally Posted by Powercow

-Anatman being a cooldown to turn us into a super saiyan. Martial artists channeling their ki to power up is such a cool trope and the closest we get is the wet fart that is powering up Forbidden Chakra.

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still forever mad that we don't have a real aura, even though every other Monk in the game does.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...a04186305f8da&

XIV MNK wishes it could have this insane swag.

I want my greased lightning aura back

I want positionals and apm and/or some form of complexity back. stormblood monk was one of my favorite jobs to play and potentially favorite out of any games I've played. from their changes in shb i played ff even less because of how bad the state of monk was and I've only played about 4-6 months of EW and i couldn't even bring myself to leveling monk because of how boring it is. i've mostly subbed this expansion to just check the game out here and there because i'm bored of other games at the moment.

a ranged attack that doesnt have to be hidden behind chakra would be decent XD

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Originally Posted by SerophisRagnarok

a ranged attack that doesnt have to be hidden behind chakra would be decent XD

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...Why would you want to specifically waste a core mechanic, just to replace a half-GCD means of potency generation that can be used regardless of range or target availability and can be banked for damage amplifiers... with a full-GCD (making it less granular) attack that has finite range and requires a target and cannot be banked for damage amplifiers?

That could only either make Meditation (the more leverageable and iconic tool) redundant or be made redundant by Meditation.

I'm actually really happy with where Monk is right now. I wouldn't say no to some animation upgrades, and that Pressure Point idea that VentVanitas suggested seems like it'd be really cool to play around with. But as long as it doesn't get massively reworked, I'd be happy.

But then, I started with Astro in Stormblood, then went to Summoner in Shadowbringers. So I guess we'll see what the impending massive rework has in store for Monk, lol.

It probably has already been said, but a prominent visual indicator on your gauge for when you have leaden fist active. Same for disciplined fist. Keep Nadis on death.

I mained monk from HW through SB for everything from dungeons to savage and the rework killed it for me. :(
I miss the aura visuals while breakdancing faces off. I miss positionals and having to play like a cat chasing a laser pointer. I miss being able to hadouken the floor as a frequent oGCD instead of a finisher with long intervals. I miss GL juggling tricks. I liked the rhythm changes of the cooldowns during Stormblood and Touch of Death and lining everything up for sick aoe here and there instead of the droning monotony it is now.

I would legit rather have the anatman tick opener back vs the current incarnation, which as far as I can tell has done nothing to bring monk out of the least popular melee bin. At least before it felt nice and looked slick, now it just feels like 10x the planning of other melee for no payoff.

I would like a free distance attack, like every other meele has, for the phase, when you can not go near the enemy.
Than, a rework of the 7star kick(?, the one, who has high dmg and increase your speed, but block all skills for some seconds, it not usable for normal rotation, and not much worth of a escape skill).

And, animation rework of his attacks. Maybe, instant of giving use New buttons (even, when he has many free places), let us evovle the old attacks.
My bigges complain to the monk, aside of the question, how he can fight peoples with weapons, when he has only the reach of his arm, is: that his attacks looks lame.
Whe mostly have no nice weapons to watch (many monks fights only with the fist, or?). And, most of them has no impact behinde the attacks. Like, dragoon, Samurai or reaper.
Whe see in the Trailer, that the monk can create shockweaves, if he hit someone. Or, has aura around the fist.
Something like that could maybe be better for the monk, to watch him.

Aside of that, did i like his gameplay. He is very fast (the fastes or second fastes meele). Has big freedom with the skills. That reduce the impact of errors. And the chakra System is nice (only the round, where you have to use the same color is minimal boring). The only thing that he is missing is a free distance attacks. And maybe some long CD special attacks with higher power (similary, like many other has). The only thing im missing from the past monks is his aura and his free kamehameha^^

Make Anatman into a an OGCD you can hit every once in a while to supercharge your next GCD.

Yes that is just Kaiten. Yes I do almost solely want this to watch the absolute explosion of Samurai mains everywhere.

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Originally Posted by Rika007

Make Anatman into a an OGCD you can hit every once in a while to supercharge your next GCD.

Yes that is just Kaiten. Yes I do almost solely want this to watch the absolute explosion of Samurai mains everywhere.

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...Unless its CD is removed to instead spend (say, 4) Chakra and Monk gets an added higher-priority rotational ability that also spends Chakra and/or Thunderclap would begin spending (say, 2) Chakra while dealing damage or in some different but equally potent way interacts with Monk's job builder-spender gauge, that is not Kaiten.

That's Life Surge / Reassemble / Barrage.

Your schadenfreude may be getting in the way of the actual thinking there.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

...Unless its CD is removed to instead spend (say, 4) Chakra and Monk gets an added higher-priority rotational ability that also spends Chakra and/or Thunderclap would begin spending (say, 2) Chakra while dealing damage or in some different but equally potent way interacts with Monk's job builder-spender gauge, that is not Kaiten.

That's Life Surge / Reassemble / Barrage.

Your schadenfreude may be getting in the way of the actual thinking there.

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In my head I was thinking was the timing would lineup with perfect balance usage so the proper use would only be on Elixir Field, Rising Phoenix, and Phantom Rush as they were the closest thing I associate to Samurai's Iaijutsu, but I honestly straight up forgot to type that in lol. As for the resource usage, you can't always have a perfect analogy, so I'm not thinking that deep on it, I just want something that's close.

Full disclosure, I'm one of the people still salty they removed Kaiten, so this wouldn't be schadenfreude, it would be self flagellation. I want to live vicariously back with something like Kaiten on another job, and having it on the other striking job would be hilarious to me.

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Originally Posted by Rika007

Full disclosure, I'm one of the people still salty they removed Kaiten, so this wouldn't be schadenfreude, it would be self flagellation. I want to live vicariously back with something like Kaiten on another job, and having it on the other striking job would be hilarious to me.

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Haha, fair enough. But yeah, the whole point of Kaiten was margining of gauge and weave space. Without either of those elements, you wouldn't really have a Kaiten. You'd just have bloat apm.

...Which, come to think of it, is exactly what the devs would add if they wanted to poison discourse against any sort of complexity and thereby remove any traction the "Give us back Kaiten! *puppy/angry eyes*" folks produced.

Remove the form system entirely (raptor/coeurl/opo-opo). Make the fighting stance more aesthetically nice similar to that of Glasya Labolas (Syrcus Tower monk boss) or the MNK in FFXI.

Add Chi Blast and a charge ability.

Bring back shoulder tackle.

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Originally Posted by Ryskim

Make the fighting stance more aesthetically nice similar to that of Glasya Labolas (Syrcus Tower monk boss)

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So... 50% time idling, 10% super basic hook punches, 10% stomping, 10% yelling, 10% punching the ground, 10% spawning turret traps?

Hard pass. And honestly, I had never even have considered that boss as potentially being a Monk until now.

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Originally Posted by VentVanitas

still forever mad that we don't have a real aura, even though every other Monk in the game does.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...a04186305f8da&

XIV MNK wishes it could have this insane swag.

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As long we have the option to hide it, sure.

Personally, if the aura's visuals don't convey any useful information, I'd rather it not obscure anything... which basically means I'd rather it not exist. GL's made some sense.

An aura that appears at 1 away from Chakra cap and doubles in intensity at said cap, or appears only while Leaden Fist is active, would be useful. A permanent one? Not so much.

Id been a monk main since launch and Im still torn up having to drop monk at the end of Endwalker's msq for Reaper because the nadi system frustrated me so much. Sure maybe I just suck but I kept fucking it up and spent way too much time watching it to make sure I was doing the right stuff rather then paying attention to my positionals only to depressingly remember my positionals are gone...

Mostly I want all my positionals back, the dance was part of playing a monk to me. Felt like they took the dance from us and just gave it to reaper during burst phases.

You totally get it. The groove and zipping all over the hitbox felt great and I miss it every time I waffle on what class to focus on now. Nothing else out there fits that niche and rhythm, nadis feel so fiddly. Did people think monk was too easy before? I don't think that was the case because it was never really that popular.

the rework was okay. I honestly see the blitz system as something like what you see in fighting games with their target combos. It was much better than Fire into wind GL opener in e8s where server ticks screwed your anatman. Some changes I expect to see are:

-Chakras going beyond five
-Anatman getting an additional buff upon moving that keeps the anatman buff just a bit longer or alternatively lower the recast so its much more accessible
-Movement speed buff during riddle of wind
-Six-sided star changed from a weaponskill to an ability
-Increased direct hit chance when hitting positionals