Why did Asmongold stop playing FF14 if FF14 is so good with a good community?

I think we all know the real reason why Asmongold stopped playing FF14.

Isn't it interesting how even Asmongold had to quit? Despite this being the "best community"?

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No. Not even remotely interesting.

And "had to quit"?. I doubt he "had" to quit.

Asmongold imo operates on undisclosed paid influencer deals but pretends he doesn't because it is a schtick for his dumb audience.

To expound, I'm saying that if he isn't getting paid he likely isn't playing that game. If he likes the game and it has sufficient audience reception then he will keep playing after whatever influencer deal he has expires. So in the case of XIV either he doesn't like the game or his audience is a problem (I'm guessing the latter).

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Asmongold imo operates on undisclosed paid influencer deals but pretends he doesn't because it is a schitick for his dumb audience.

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I wonder if CBU3 paid Asmongold to play FF14, and he didn't actually like it and quit the first moment he could :)

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

Despite this being the "best community"?

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Many people who play this game know this isn't the case. There's another thread up on the r/ffxivdiscussion subreddit that raises this issue. Link for those who are curious: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscus...xicaggressive/


As for Asmongold's case, I'll copy and paste this quote here:

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

Ok, I'll bite and recount the events of the asmongold subreddit FFXIV fan banwave of summer 2022. He made it into about a third of the way through Stormblood before he finally called it quits. It just seems that if Asmon didn't play MSQ the way people wanted to, FFXIV fans would become mad at him. They were expecting Asmon to binge the whole MSQ which wasn't something he planned on doing. He preferred to play a little bit of MSQ one day and maybe play something else that same day, like Lost Ark or Wow. But the angry twitch messages and reddit posts kept rolling in about how Asmon was ruining the MSQ by taking it at a leisurely pace, and they made strange accusations about him not actually enjoying the game and that he was baiting the FFXIV community for views. Like the guy has made an entire youtube review raving about how FFXIV was a great game and how he was enjoying it. He's spent countless hours grinding lower level raids for glamour gearsets and even completed old raid content like the Coils of Bahamut, synced. But no, the FFXIV viewers instead want to gaslight him by saying this was all a set up by him to farm views, and that he doesn't actually enjoy the game... all because he won't binge MSQ.

Eventually Asmon lost his shit and started banning all the users that were making such posts and refused to stream the game. I don't blame the guy for doing so because it was just so bizarre. He made the comparison that these types of FFXIV viewers were similar to an overly attached girlfriend/boyfriend in constant need of attention and validation, and if they didn't get that validation and assurance then they would flip out. And you know what? I don't entirely disagree with his analogy.

Hopefully one day Asmon comes back to FFXIV. Overall, it's a very decent game with plenty of things left for him to do, but he's gotta learn to avoid and shrug off all the obsessive crazies in this community.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

this quote here:

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Quintessentially FF14.

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

I wonder if CBU3 paid Asmongold to play FF14, and he didn't actually like it and quit the first moment he could :)

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Tons of streamers were playing all around the time Asmon did. It was a huge PR blitz for EW. And it worked BTW-- but all those streamers went right back to Dragonflight and Diablo IV at the same times. They're just promo hoppers.

I think Asmon liked the game but his audience didn't and trolled him into stopping. Plus I think other lucrative deals were upcoming so he could afford to drop it. So it's both.

And yes he said the community is crazy blah blah blah...again don't be naive. Yes, the trolling is a factor but ultimately money talks.

he stopped playing because no matter what else he was doing people bugged him to continue playing xiv

the community lives to harass streamers into playing the msq so they can relive vicariously since you will never experience the same emotions of going thru it the first time again and once the streamer has finished the msq they toss em in the trash and move onto the next streamer playing through the msq

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

he stopped playing because no matter what else he was doing people bugged him to continue playing xiv

the community lives to harass streamers into playing the msq so they can relive vicariously since you will never experience the same emotions of going thru it the first time again and once the streamer has finished the msq they toss em in the trash and move onto the next streamer playing through the msq

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All I can say is ... Parasocial is weird, and it get weirder.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

All I can say is ... Parasocial is weird, and it get weirder.

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parasocial relationships are weird but it makes sense why people gravitate towards it, in a world increasingly online it was kind of inevitable

Never mind what Asmongold does. Clearly the game and community is good enough for you to stick around, so isn't that all that matters?

Quite literally, who cares? These posts are getting absurd.

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Originally Posted by OliverQ

Quite literally, who cares? These posts are getting absurd.

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there really isnt i just felt like weighing in on it tho

If anyone's grappling with this, pretend you were reading a thread titled "Why did <your name here> stop playing FF14 if FF14 is so good with a good community?" and maybe the answer will be clearer.

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

parasocial relationships are weird but it makes sense why people gravitate towards it, in a world increasingly online it was kind of inevitable

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Come to think about it this behavior isn't exactly news. Obsessive fans have been a thing in the pop culture for a long time with idols and celebrities. Streamers in a way is just a new type, internet celebrity, so it's understandable they attract similar crow. The difference is, the old IRL obsessive fans had to spend the time and effort to track down, stalk, then harras their subject of affection and maybe get a restrained order sic on them. Whether just like with everything else in the internet age, they just have to log in and be obsessive from the comfort of their chair.

In this case I think it's also a double whammy for parasocial people. So they like the game, and they like these streamers, so they want the streamers to like the game too just like them, then throw a fit when it doesn't work out. Kinda remind me of people playing match maker in their own wedding. The bride/groom has this brilliant idea of playing match maker between their 2 friends with the bridemaids and groommen because they just look so good together so it'll definitely work out, right? Then things get ackward because they insist on being pushy and not taking the hint things not panning out, then destroy their own special day and of course proceed on blaming everyone else.

Eh, given the nature of a community, whether it is the best or not is just going to be anecdotal.

Communities have a wide variety of people and a wide variety of sub-communities and cultures, so really it's no more toxic, and no more better than any other community.

Given the right circumstances you could literally claim any gaming community is the best ever -- Similarly, you could make a pretty reasonable claim that any gaming community also has the worst ever. Just depends on personal experience when you're dealing with communities this large. Sometimes it just seems like people feel so invalidated if someone has a different experience or opinion.

On the note of Asmongold, personally, I chalk it up for a variety of reasons. He's a very large figure in the streaming and MMO space, so his swapping would have accrued a lot of new audiences watching who aren't entirely familiar with how he actually streams, and what he dedicates his time to when streaming, e.g., react content. Personally, I don't care, I just stopped watching outright after a certain point - But I can understand why it would probably aggravate people.

He stopped playing because he doesn't play any game for long (except WoW and he got bored of that when he discovered his audience now follows him to other games). He could barely even finish FF16 and I think he didn't do NG+. He has a massive backlog of games he's been putting off for ages. It's just how he is.

He doesn't really like gaming much. He admits he's not good at games and they just make him frustrated on stream. He prefers react content (watching youtube videos) and his audience prefers that too actually because it allows him to stop the video and say hot takes and controversial opinions every minute, which is what he's good at and makes him more popular.

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

Isn't it interesting how even Asmongold had to quit? Despite this being the "best community"?

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Don't think it was even this community particularly, but his. His community like "react content". When they want him to react to something, they spam his chat endlessly. They wanted him to react to FF14 (because FF14 is basically a video spanning ARR and 4 expansions). He didn't want to play it that frequently so he had to ban a lot of people over it so that they stopped asking him to react to FF14.

Two things: first, Asmongold is an arse and a clout chaser, FFXIV was "hot" during COVID, then he moved onto the next hot thing, LA.
Second, the community itself isn't overly hostile but it isn't the bastion of good vibes. We just have a lot of "UwU OmO" people in Cities using Yell, and also lots of LGBTQ+ presence, which gives the impression that it's a very tolerant place when in reality said groups are mostly concentrated in specific Worlds.

Try initiating a random conversation anywhere, odds are you'll be ignored, most conversations are either between FC cliques, or taking about/complaining about the game or current duty. Sure, your won't be told to KYS, and for some that's enough nowadays to consider this a friendly community.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

He stopped playing because he doesn't play any game for long (except WoW and he got bored of that when he discovered his audience now follows him to other games). He could barely even finish FF16 and I think he didn't do NG+. He has a massive backlog of games he's been putting off for ages. It's just how he is.

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Originally Posted by Aldath

Two things: first, Asmongold is an arse and a clout chaser, FFXIV was "hot" during COVID, then he moved onto the next hot thing, LA.

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You know, I think both the group who thought their favorite streamer betrayed them for stop playing, and the group who thought they stop playing because of the community - assuming they're being genuie (although I think the latter is just trolls) - are just ... naive.


I watched a few of these "ex-WoW" streamers compared FF14 to WoW around 2 years ago and it was ... cringe. Like, I life FF14, but the praise and comparison these streamers had for the game back then was so out of proportion that I was like "ok, FF14 is good but it's not THAT good." So it became obvious to me fairly early that it wouldn't last. One, it definitely felt more like the "next hot thing" moment. But secondly, and more importantly, I felt these streamers were just borrowing FF14 and its community as a beating stick and outlet for their dissatisfaction with WoW. In short and bluntly: FF14 and the more gullible portion of its community was used, as simple as that.


It's like someone who got into a fight with their partner, then decided to pick you as a new date. And while they may praise you to high heaven how much more special and better you are comparing to their old date ... the reality is you're just a convenience and temporary subtitle with the sole purpose of making their original partner jealous. Now, if you have good head on your shoulder, you just accept it as a temporary thing as enjoy it while it last. But anyone who think that would amount to any kind of long term relationship then ... naive, too naive.

Edit: 'cause I just remember the stuffs from other thread. I should add a 3rd group into this naive narrative, it's the people who thought FF14 can keep the majority of WoW refugee by appealing to them. You're like that destined fling who believe they make person forget their old fire and stay with you. That ... most likely not gonna happen.



Like I said, I never thought FF14 were as good as MOST of these streamers claimed 2 years ago. But 2 years later, I'm still here while most of them already gone.

Stop making threads about youtubers.

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Originally Posted by mythgraven

Stop making threads about youtubers.

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In all honesty the best way to counter threads that you don't like is to just create threads that you do. It could be about a particular aspect of the game that you enjoy, asking people who their forum poster is or making a thread to share tips for new players.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

In all honesty the best way to counter threads that you don't like is to just create threads that you do. It could be about a particular aspect of the game that you enjoy, asking people who their forum poster is or making a thread to share tips for new players.

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Part of me, the very jaded part of me, thinks it's likely that the yubtuber thread spam is partially active because the authors *know* it annoys people.

Like a few other topics I could mention. When folks are unwilling to contain their discussions to one or two pre-existing threads, and instead feel the need to make new ones constantly, it's because they want the visual clutter. The annoyance.

Titanmen didn't make threads because he really cared. He did it to be annoying.

As such, yeah we could try to up the signal to noise ratio, but that still just increases noise over all. It doesn't reduce it.

If communities (lol) could ever band together and make annoyance and trolling boring to the troll, the trolls would get bored and move away.

30 years of internet has more or less proven that this is impossible however.

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Originally Posted by mythgraven

Part of me, the very jaded part of me, thinks it's likely that the yubtuber thread spam is partially active because the authors *know* it annoys people.

Like a few other topics I could mention. When folks are unwilling to contain their discussions to one or two pre-existing threads, and instead feel the need to make new ones constantly, it's because they want the visual clutter. The annoyance.

Titanmen didn't make threads because he really cared. He did it to be annoying.

As such, yeah we could try to up the signal to noise ratio, but that still just increases noise over all. It doesn't reduce it.

If communities (lol) could ever band together and make annoyance and trolling boring to the troll, the trolls would get bored and move away.

30 years of internet has more or less proven that this is impossible however.

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You actually bring up an important point if people would just stop replying to this person his posts would drop off the front page.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

You know, I think both the group who thought their favorite streamer betrayed them for stop playing, and the group who thought they stop playing because of the community - assuming they're being genuie (although I think the latter is just trolls) - are just ... naive.


I watched a few of these "ex-WoW" streamers compared FF14 to WoW around 2 years ago and it was ... cringe. Like, I life FF14, but the praise and comparison these streamers had for the game back then was so out of proportion that I was like "ok, FF14 is good but it's not THAT good." So it became obvious to me fairly early that it wouldn't last. One, it definitely felt more like the "next hot thing" moment. But secondly, and more importantly, I felt these streamers were just borrowing FF14 and its community as a beating stick and outlet for their dissatisfaction with WoW. In short and bluntly: FF14 and the more gullible portion of its community was used, as simple as that.

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Exactly, very good choice of words and analogy. I was out of WoW long before it went the way it is now, but even in my longest staying period within an MMO, Gw2, the community used FFXIV as a threat. "Things suck here, I'm going to FFXIV". I have to say I was one of the people who fell for it. I hadn't even played FF and I kept comparing GW2 to it because it was supposed to be the golden standard for MMOs.

Look, I went away from Gw2 because of how mismanaged it is, and because of other issues with the longevity of content and lack of future proofing, and people said there was this promised land of MMOs where all my grievances with Gw2 would be forgotten and honestly...We're kind of in the same situation. I'm still enjoying FFXIV and I don't see myself stopping soon, but I learnt my lesson

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

I think we all know the real reason why Asmongold stopped playing FF14.

Isn't it interesting how even Asmongold had to quit? Despite this being the "best community"?

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Why are you still here if the community is so bad?

I think we all know the real reason.

Isn't it interesting that you haven't quit yet? Despite how 'bad' this community is?

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Originally Posted by mythgraven

Stop making threads about youtubers.

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Correction. He's a twitch streamer who happens to have a YouTube.

In regards to the subject though. He still talks good about FFXIV to this day. The reason he stopped playing was due to his viewers annoying him to play it at all times. And we all know the guy is notorious for spending most of his streams doing reacts.
He still talks about how he needs to come back to play it though.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

Many people who play this game know this isn't the case. There's another thread up on the r/ffxivdiscussion subreddit that raises this issue. Link for those who are curious: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscus...xicaggressive/


As for Asmongold's case, I'll copy and paste this quote here:

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Pretty much this. He actually was enjoying himself but the rabid FFXIV community kept bugging him because he wasnt binging on the game like other streamers and most likely gave him such a bad experience that he honestly just quietly left.

I hate this community so damn much. Not because of Asmon's sake but the overal shared mentality shared here is exactly why everyone us so damn cringe with this game.

Becuase Endwalker is bad and the community for this game is bad.

Is that what you wanted to hear? I mean its true but, everyone knows it, even the people who deny it know it.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Becuase Endwalker is bad and the community for this game is bad.

Is that what you wanted to hear? I mean its true but, everyone knows it, even the people who deny it know it.

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"You know it, I know it, everyone knows it"

That's an interesting Reddit post. I guess it is only better at surface level When compared with cod that l have played in the past

To answer directly

Asmongold is a guy that likes to do whatever he wants, but when he played XIV everything was XIV
Entering his comments? XIV
His Subreddit? Only XIV memes and stuff
When he wasn't playing? "Hey XIV when"

Think that was the main reason, XIV community can be as annoying as it can be, specially with MSQ, when people wait for a streamer to react to "that one scene" they're already overhyping the next one, and the next one, and so on
I don't really blame him for not wanting to continue despite being an overall good product
+ as an extra i think he complained about the amount of text?
Wich perse is not a problem but for a streamer having to read so much text was bothersome for him or some thing like that

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Originally Posted by Snorky

You actually bring up an important point if people would just stop replying to this person his posts would drop off the front page.

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Except when his threads drop off the front page, he starts necroing old threads until he comes up with new ideas to post.

Those who don't spend much time in the forums won't identify the poster (or notice the post dates) and fall into the trap.

More attentive moderation with stricter penalties for repeat offenders would help. If they would start banning for the pointless necros, we'd also be rid of most of the threads started solely to stir up trouble.

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Originally Posted by WantlessYoYo

To answer directly

Asmongold is a guy that likes to do whatever he wants, but when he played XIV everything was XIV
Entering his comments? XIV
His Subreddit? Only XIV memes and stuff
When he wasn't playing? "Hey XIV when"

Think that was the main reason, XIV community can be as annoying as it can be, specially with MSQ, when people wait for a streamer to react to "that one scene" they're already overhyping the next one, and the next one, and so on
I don't really blame him for not wanting to continue despite being an overall good product
+ as an extra i think he complained about the amount of text?
Wich perse is not a problem but for a streamer having to read so much text was bothersome for him or some thing like that

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I don't buy this take at all. I don't watch Asmongold frequently, but I've flipped through 8 hour streams of him playing Diablo IV endgame while actively hating on the game and his entire chat being confused about why he's even playing it. He still makes content about it right now. It's pretty blatantly obvious Blizzard locked him into something and he had to play it. He literally made videos about quitting it and then unironically kept playing (miserably) with zero explanation. The explanation is that Asmon, like many popular streamers, wants to be perceived as this individual who does whatever, when they are paid or otherwise supplemented by these companies and simply not disclosing it.

To go even further, this take that he quit due to comments is silly. So Asmon gives zero f's about everything and is such an individual, yet can't handle comments and reddit posts? That doesn't even make any sense. It sounds like you've been fooled by Asmon, to be quite honest.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

More attentive moderation with stricter penalties for repeat offenders would help. If they would start banning for the pointless necros, we'd also be rid of most of the threads started solely to stir up trouble.

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Why am I restricted to only one upvote?

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

I don't buy this take at all. I don't watch Asmongold frequently, but I've flipped through 8 hour streams of him playing Diablo IV endgame while actively hating on the game and his entire chat being confused about why he's even playing it. He still makes content about it right now. It's pretty blatantly obvious Blizzard locked him into something and he had to play it. He literally made videos about quitting it and then unironically kept playing (miserably) with zero explanation. The explanation is that Asmon, like many popular streamers, wants to be perceived as this individual who does whatever, when they are paid or otherwise supplemented by these companies and simply not disclosing it.

To go even further, this take that he quit due to comments is silly. So Asmon gives zero f's about everything and is such an individual, yet can't handle comments and reddit posts? That doesn't even make any sense. It sounds like you've been fooled by Asmon, to be quite honest.

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The reason why your theory makes no sense, citizen, is because Twitch requires streamers to disclose when they're being endorsed by another company. https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/bra...language=en_US

Also your theory suggests that Asmon was being paid by Blizzard to bash a game that was... made by Blizzard.




Spirits be with you.

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

I think we all know the real reason why Asmongold stopped playing FF14.

Isn't it interesting how even Asmongold had to quit? Despite this being the "best community"?

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as funny as ur posts are, just stop. please. im sick of reading this tripe on here. and im activly going to keep reporting your stuff untill the mods adress this

you should not be allowed to come on these forums, attack players, attack the developers, call artists like myself vultures, post on alt accounts once you hit the daily limit and overshadow legitimate disussion to improve the game with constant inflamatory trash. im sorry.

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Originally Posted by Snorky

You actually bring up an important point if people would just stop replying to this person his posts would drop off the front page.

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sadly, this isnt true. he makes 2/3 threads a day desperate to be the main source of attention be it positive OR negitive. even if nobody replied hed just keep making more and more

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

I don't buy this take at all. I don't watch Asmongold frequently, but I've flipped through 8 hour streams of him playing Diablo IV endgame while actively hating on the game and his entire chat being confused about why he's even playing it. He still makes content about it right now. It's pretty blatantly obvious Blizzard locked him into something and he had to play it. He literally made videos about quitting it and then unironically kept playing (miserably) with zero explanation. The explanation is that Asmon, like many popular streamers, wants to be perceived as this individual who does whatever, when they are paid or otherwise supplemented by these companies and simply not disclosing it.

To go even further, this take that he quit due to comments is silly. So Asmon gives zero f's about everything and is such an individual, yet can't handle comments and reddit posts? That doesn't even make any sense. It sounds like you've been fooled by Asmon, to be quite honest.

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Can I have the giant hershey's kiss that is clearing covering the tin foil hat you have there?

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

I don't buy this take at all. I don't watch Asmongold frequently, but I've flipped through 8 hour streams of him playing Diablo IV endgame while actively hating on the game and his entire chat being confused about why he's even playing it. He still makes content about it right now. It's pretty blatantly obvious Blizzard locked him into something and he had to play it. He literally made videos about quitting it and then unironically kept playing (miserably) with zero explanation. The explanation is that Asmon, like many popular streamers, wants to be perceived as this individual who does whatever, when they are paid or otherwise supplemented by these companies and simply not disclosing it.

To go even further, this take that he quit due to comments is silly. So Asmon gives zero f's about everything and is such an individual, yet can't handle comments and reddit posts? That doesn't even make any sense. It sounds like you've been fooled by Asmon, to be quite honest.

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You're entitled to your opinion. Even if your opinion is wrong.
He plays whatever gets him more views at the time. And as someone else said, twitch forces you to disclaim when you're sponsored.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

As for Asmongold's case, I'll copy and paste this quote here:

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...I don't blame the guy for doing so because it was just so bizarre. He made the comparison that these types of FFXIV viewers were similar to an overly attached girlfriend/boyfriend in constant need of attention and validation, and if they didn't get that validation and assurance then they would flip out. And you know what? I don't entirely disagree with his analogy.

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(Looks at both quote portraits) Did you quote your alt? Anywho-

I mean, yeah? That part right there just so accurately and succinctly described the main ffxiv reddit. And I'm almost so sure that's where majority of these viewers are active and congregate to. FFS, a mod at the main reddit had to post a notice in that thread complaining about the Alpha bike mount and basically telling the community there to grow the F up and stop making hundreds of reports against people mildly critical about the game... To be fair, I'll never know the metrics here but I highly doubt they're as bad.

They like to poke fun at these official forums and point out all the issues with posters, attitudes, and (lack of) moderation here, and to be fair, a good bit of it it warranted, but they also need to take a hard look at themselves and see the echo chamber of fanatical praise and aggressive positivity that's almost enforced over there.

Still don't really know or care about Asmon; don't bother watching any streamers (this isn't an interesting enough game to watch be played, imo), but it puzzles me why some people are so invested in what certain individuals say or think about a game that they feel the need to make threads about it in seemingly "gotcha" attempts. Granted, I know it's almost always disingenuous intentions.