Hate me all you want..

Zepla was right, there really is no mid-core content.
pvp has been middling at best recently and dungeons have been following the same formula too long. (i.e reskined fights)
Savage raid/extremes have too high of a bar for entry and typically not worth the time day one, they feel more fun to do one expac later if at all.
games just not fun right now and it feels like all that is keeping me here sometimes is my RP community and my houseing timer

(theres no real place for this thread to be located so sorry not sorry.)

To talk about this from a PvP pov since this is where I found this post, there isn't really a whole lot you can do to make "midcore" content in PvP. The best I can think of is low/mid tier ranked CC, but that mostly just has the issue of not having enough players sustained over an entire patch cycle. The best I can think of to help the mode is to just make the Augmented Hellhound weapons able to be obtainable by lower ranked players, albeit at a slower pace than higher ranked players, just so people can least do seasonal placements to keep it active. This is prolly isn't the sole solution to make it more open ended to midcore players but its just one idea I think would be good.

I also kind of want to say that the meta achievements for the 100/300 wins for all the pvp modes is technically midcore content as well? At least if you want to grind out for them and not just passivly farm for them casually. I just say it because your still doing the "casual" content but your trying to win at a consistent rate. It's prolly a stretch to say this since your still doing the casual modes but as a player within that bracket of a midcore player and I thought grinding out for the Rival Wings mount or the Seal Rock Commander Coat by doing callouts was pretty good.

Also on the subject of just the game overall, Criterion would've been perfect place to have midcore content with how accessible it's design is inherently. But they decided to make the fights as hard as some extreme/savage/early ultimate phases and reward you with a peasants meal in terms of reward quality. Literally the biggest waste of dev time out of all the content this expansion has had.

Try posting it in general discussion and maybe more than 3 people will see it.

with pvp i have bought mostly every thing i want from the vendors , but i still do pvp, because i find it's the easiest way for me to get venture coins . i will go to crystal quartermaster to turn trophy crystal into wolf collar then i will turn wolf collar into wolf marks at the collar quartermaster, then i will go to the mark quartermaster, click wolf marks (other) to buy venture coin. that i can use to send my retainer off to get other items , to sell or to craft. any thing other then that i think they need to added more items to motivate players to keep doing it . i find the moogle event seem to be the only thing doing that right now

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Originally Posted by Astralrisk

To talk about this from a PvP pov since this is where I found this post, there isn't really a whole lot you can do to make "midcore" content in PvP. The best I can think of is low/mid tier ranked CC, but that mostly just has the issue of not having enough players sustained over an entire patch cycle. The best I can think of to help the mode is to just make the Augmented Hellhound weapons able to be obtainable by lower ranked players, albeit at a slower pace than higher ranked players, just so people can least do seasonal placements to keep it active. This is prolly isn't the sole solution to make it more open ended to midcore players but its just one idea I think would be good.

I also kind of want to say that the meta achievements for the 100/300 wins for all the pvp modes is technically midcore content as well? At least if you want to grind out for them and not just passivly farm for them casually. I just say it because your still doing the "casual" content but your trying to win at a consistent rate. It's prolly a stretch to say this since your still doing the casual modes but as a player within that bracket of a midcore player and I thought grinding out for the Rival Wings mount or the Seal Rock Commander Coat by doing callouts was pretty good.

Also on the subject of just the game overall, Criterion would've been perfect place to have midcore content with how accessible it's design is inherently. But they decided to make the fights as hard as some extreme/savage/early ultimate phases and reward you with a peasants meal in terms of reward quality. Literally the biggest waste of dev time out of all the content this expansion has had.

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I think more game modes is one of the things that would defnitely help pvp more.

We have CC as an easy-to-get mode (both ranked and casual), but boy after a while the mode gets a bit stale. It would help if the maps had more interesting layouts instead of similar grids with different gimmicks, but ultimately the best thing for diversity would be leaving CC's design as it is and add a new 5x5 mode.

Then we have the Frontlines, which is a whole different beast that is not very loved because of how chaotic and imbalanced it can be. Idk if they can fix that without giving specific 'Frontline Kits' or actions only usable in Frontlines to the jobs.

In short, it needs more modes. Bring back the Feast re-designed, or do the Battle Royale idea for blue mages, or a 1x1 / 2x2 / 3x3 arena tournament. They can even use the Ul'dah Coliseum for that.

it would be nice if they added a option to join a particular company for the pvp match so you can work on the achievement log instead of put in a random company for the match , i know the wait time might be long to find you a spot , but i do think SE could make it work

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Then we have the Frontlines, which is a whole different beast that is not very loved because of how chaotic and imbalanced it can be. Idk if they can fix that without giving specific 'Frontline Kits' or actions only usable in Frontlines to the jobs.

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A start would be to abandon the strict adherence to the 3-team design. Rival Wings doesn't have nearly the tick-rate issues that Frontlines does in my experience. Re-tooling it for 2 teams of 24, I feel, would go a long way to resolving some frustration with Frontline's design. Adjusting the maps accordingly and removing the RNG element of objective spawns. Having objectives pop in a fashion that requires groups in multiple places at once for smaller team-fights, and discourages teams from just blobbing from one obj to the next.

Thanks to Freelancer status, no player would be left out due to grand company affiliation, and less players theoretically even mean shorter queues.

Heck, this doesn't even have to be an if/or thing. Do this and have it work in tandem with the current 72-player design, giving roulettes a chance of being either 72-player, or 48-player, similar to old Secure having a 8v8v8 mode.

Will this 'fix' Frontlines? No. But it could help.

Oh, and having more than one map per mode would be refreshing, too.

But, honestly, how would you even design 'mid-core' pvp content when most people who engage with it fall into either the "It's trash, why would I bother" camp, or the "I'm going to optimize the fun out this" camp? Can mid-core even exist with those sort of polar-opposite mindsets?

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Originally Posted by lennit

it would be nice if they added a option to join a particular company for the pvp match so you can work on the achievement log instead of put in a random company for the match , i know the wait time might be long to find you a spot , but i do think SE could make it work

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This is actually how it used to be and PvP ques stopped after like 6pm. The ques that you did get were steam roll base farming with all hardcore PvP players on 1 grand company vs everyone else who was out of the loop lol.

The good news for you is that even though you are placed on a random GC, you still get achievement progress toward the GC you are currently aligned with.

from a player that came from wow and see the difference of this game that is more of a strategy based in stead of stats based , And since you are synchronise to 30 , i dont see how a faction of 3 would change someone's performance . unless all the players knew each other. but in frontline you can already group with your friends so strategy to win is already there but that still based on performance not stats.

i was more in the way of targeting one achievement at a time . like ( A line in the Sand IV) for the flame (a line in the Glade iv) and (line in the storm iv) but i see the point if everyone join flame and not storm the duty wouldn't start because it will be waiting on storm members , unless SE left the random sorting to fill the gap

but i still see the pvp stopping at 6pm even now depending on your data centre . unless you have a mixed community from around the world, due to sleep schedule

that why i pvp on siren from 10am to 6pm and then i go to bismarck from 6pm to 12am(AEST)

I like the current pvp. Anything below crystal tier can probably be considered midcore imo.

Unless we're speaking about FLs, RWs or CC casual or very low leagues, then it's casual.

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Originally Posted by lennit

it would be nice if they added a option to join a particular company for the pvp match so you can work on the achievement log instead of put in a random company for the match , i know the wait time might be long to find you a spot , but i do think SE could make it work

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I am pretty sure that the GC you're part of is the one that counts no matter what team you end up in after a queue in FLs.

i do a mix of the pvp events but i see the crystal tier more in a way you have to fight your opponent because there not much space to run and hide, that you can do in FLs ,Rws


your personal choice GC has nothing to do with pvp now , because you would have to change you GC to work on other achievement , you get randomly put in to a GC for that match that contribute to the achievement

i was more talking about a choice of selection of which GC you get put into for the match and the randomly option to fill the gap

it only idea , my thoughts, but i know there are players that been there done that

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Originally Posted by lennit

i do a mix of the pvp events but i see the crystal tier more in a way you have to fight your opponent because there not much space to run and hide, that you can do in FLs ,Rws


your personal choice GC has nothing to do with pvp now , because you would have to change you GC to work on other achievement , you get randomly put in to a GC for that match that contribute to the achievement

i was more talking about a choice of selection of which GC you get put into for the match and the randomly option to fill the gap

it only idea , my thoughts, but i know there are players that been there done that

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Those achievements track the GC you're currently in, not the one you're assigned at match start.

PvP is pretty much the only midcore content this game has lol. That is, if you actually play...

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Originally Posted by Kathleen_

Those achievements track the GC you're currently in, not the one you're assigned at match start.

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ok i had to jump on my siren toon , i miss read the other achievement , so i have to change GC to work on those others

do i lose my GC squadron if i change , get the achievement and go back to the flames

Hate you? I don’t think about you at all…

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Originally Posted by ChonkGoblinSuprem

Hate you? I don’t think about you at all…

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lol ya player are talking about my misunderstanding achievement problem then why this thread was even made.

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Originally Posted by Astralrisk

To talk about this from a PvP pov since this is where I found this post, there isn't really a whole lot you can do to make "midcore" content in PvP. The best I can think of is low/mid tier ranked CC, but that mostly just has the issue of not having enough players sustained over an entire patch cycle. The best I can think of to help the mode is to just make the Augmented Hellhound weapons able to be obtainable by lower ranked players, albeit at a slower pace than higher ranked players, just so people can least do seasonal placements to keep it active. This is prolly isn't the sole solution to make it more open ended to midcore players but its just one idea I think would be good.

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That's What l said in the survey recently. Make augmented hellhound work like how feast hands out wolf collar. Lower rank can get it but a lot slower. That will definitely encourage more people to try. So No one is left out but skilled players are rewarded by getting them faster

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Originally Posted by ChonkGoblinSuprem

Hate you? I don’t think about you at all…

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Neat.......

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Originally Posted by ThaCa

Try posting it in general discussion and maybe more than 3 people will see it.

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couldent find it, thanks for the feedback though.

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Originally Posted by Astralrisk

To talk about this from a PvP pov since this is where I found this post, there isn't really a whole lot you can do to make "midcore" content in PvP. The best I can think of is low/mid tier ranked CC, but that mostly just has the issue of not having enough players sustained over an entire patch cycle. The best I can think of to help the mode is to just make the Augmented Hellhound weapons able to be obtainable by lower ranked players, albeit at a slower pace than higher ranked players, just so people can least do seasonal placements to keep it active. This is prolly isn't the sole solution to make it more open ended to midcore players but its just one idea I think would be good.

I also kind of want to say that the meta achievements for the 100/300 wins for all the pvp modes is technically midcore content as well? At least if you want to grind out for them and not just passivly farm for them casually. I just say it because your still doing the "casual" content but your trying to win at a consistent rate. It's prolly a stretch to say this since your still doing the casual modes but as a player within that bracket of a midcore player and I thought grinding out for the Rival Wings mount or the Seal Rock Commander Coat by doing callouts was pretty good.

Also on the subject of just the game overall, Criterion would've been perfect place to have midcore content with how accessible it's design is inherently. But they decided to make the fights as hard as some extreme/savage/early ultimate phases and reward you with a peasants meal in terms of reward quality. Literally the biggest waste of dev time out of all the content this expansion has had.

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yeah pretty much all of what you said hit the nail on the head, also i like your suggestions.. heres to hoping they actuallly do something like that.

I don't mind there being savage difficulty dungeons to do, but there really should have been a difficulty between variant and criterion, I did variant one time, was bored out of my skull just doing the one, haven't touched it since, serious letdown.

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Originally Posted by lennit

ok i had to jump on my siren toon , i miss read the other achievement , so i have to change GC to work on those others

do i lose my GC squadron if i change , get the achievement and go back to the flames

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You lose nothing by swapping GC. You start at recruit rank in the new one (unless you were already there before, then you go back to your old rank), and the GC squad follows you.

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Originally Posted by Valence

You lose nothing by swapping GC. You start at recruit rank in the new one (unless you were already there before, then you go back to your old rank), and the GC squad follows you.

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thanks you

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Originally Posted by Llynethil

I don't mind there being savage difficulty dungeons to do, but there really should have been a difficulty between variant and criterion, I did variant one time, was bored out of my skull just doing the one, haven't touched it since, serious letdown.

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They do have criterion savage, but its the exact same thing as normal except you don't get raises. I felt like if they made it harder than normal criterion they could've had multiple levels of difficulty for every kind of player.

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Originally Posted by Astralrisk

They do have criterion savage, but its the exact same thing as normal except you don't get raises. I felt like if they made it harder than normal criterion they could've had multiple levels of difficulty for every kind of player.

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Savage criterion is kinda just mythic + from wow, mutation you get is just always the same and is no res.

But there really should have been bozja raid level difficulty criterion, I always thought Bozja raids were a pretty good step up from regular raids, but not to the extend of savage, which is fantastic for midcore content.

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Originally Posted by Astralrisk

They do have criterion savage, but its the exact same thing as normal except you don't get raises. I felt like if they made it harder than normal criterion they could've had multiple levels of difficulty for every kind of player.

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Ex criterion should have been just a regular casual dungeon, but with a bit more difficulty akin to storymode raids imo. I'd have liked actually seeing it into expert roulette, but that would be too complicated in difficulty, so perhaps raids? Too different? Its own roulette? Too many roulettes?

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Originally Posted by Llynethil

Savage criterion is kinda just mythic + from wow, mutation you get is just always the same and is no res.

But there really should have been bozja raid level difficulty criterion, I always thought Bozja raids were a pretty good step up from regular raids, but not to the extend of savage, which is fantastic for midcore content.

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I always thought if it had a weekly lockout for loot or something, it could rotate between different routes as its form of different affixes. Or let you actually choose the effects that a dungeon has with the interactable in the dungeon like you do in variant. Also you bringing up Bozja reminds me of how they could implement more variant actions for gameplay stuff, but with how its currently designed idk how they would implement more.

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Originally Posted by Valence

Ex criterion should have been just a regular casual dungeon, but with a bit more difficulty akin to storymode raids imo. I'd have liked actually seeing it into expert roulette, but that would be too complicated in difficulty, so perhaps raids? Too different? Its own roulette? Too many roulettes?

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Don't think they can fit anywhere because of how its designed so differently from every other piece of content. It's a completely different content island that I don't think it can fit anywhere with the rest of the game with how its currently designed.