I'm going to reference a game that is not FFXIV. Though it's something I would like to see because it's really awesome, and as far as I know, no other game has done it, correct me if I'm wrong(except one).
Dragons Dogma
I think it would be amazing if they stole their idea for an nm. I don't really care if it would be instance or open world, open world would be awesome though.
Basically I want them to add an nm where it takes people from every server to beat it, collectively. Whomever participates in the fight gets rewards accordingly when it dies of course. Now, what about spawn time or what have ya. Well, I think my NM idea would be an awesome thing to throw in here. If they are keeping the anima system:
"Because anima is a life energy deal(stealing this from an anime) it could make sense that it creates an entity of some sort. Kinda like in Index(have to watch it to know what I mean). So, when x amount of anima has been used through out all of the servers, it will spawn this entity.
Why do I say all the servers? Well, this is a way they could make use of their, dungeon finder deal they are going to do(I don't like by the way). So, what will happen is when it spawns(it can even wonder the world as a ghostly figure that you can't attack, until its a whole body) it will select 20 people from each server whom last teleported(that are level 50) and spawn them in an instance with this entity. Now, it wouldn't have any special drop, it would just be a fun random activity that we the people caused. (something along those lines please discuss this!)"
Now, instead of growing stronger each time it dies, it will go stronger by how much anima is used when it spawns. Now, this could end up being a few day fight, which can lead to legal issues down the road. So it would probably work best as an instance fight that can be done in 30min intervals(just like dragons dogma) with a party that's more than 8 people.
Please leave your hate, comment, ideas, and suggestions!~
Stolen idea for NM <can I have it?>
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07-03-2012, 05:42 PMRokienStolen idea for NM <can I have it?>
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07-03-2012, 06:31 PMTenraiNagi
Interesting idea for a NM. Not sure about tying it to anima though.
Maybe more like:
The NM roams around multiple regions (open-world) and has insane HP (so that each server gets an awesome fight), and you don't have to be in a party of 8! If you see 30 people fighting it you jump with them against it. (whole server goes after it? Good let them!)
The NM jumps to a different server after a certain percentage of damage is done to it (10 servers we have now so every 10%, that should change when more servers are introduced) OR a certain amount of time has passed.
After it dies, people who were fighting it before it vanishes to another server get rewards sent to them by mail (Gil and crafting materials specific to this NM, maybe other stuff too). No rewards to people in a server where it vanished without a fight. -
07-03-2012, 06:58 PMrina_inverse
the more reason to cursed on rng god
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07-03-2012, 07:35 PMAntipikaI don't really see anything new here. You're just introducing cross-shard PvE. Servers can barely handle all players gathered together at a set location, so I don't really see how that would work with all servers at once...Quote:
I'm going to reference a game that is not FFXIV. Though it's something I would like to see because it's really awesome, and as far as I know, no other game has done it, correct me if I'm wrong(except one).
Basically I want them to add an nm where it takes people from every server to beat it, collectively.
Similar things already existed in others MMO, it wasn't exactly cross-shard, but cross-faction. In DAoC, players from the 3 factions could gather in a PvPvE area (Abyss). Deep inside there was some huge monster (Legion). At first, because everyone's gear sucked, we made attempts with all 3 factions (no way to disable PvP, so we tried to be fair and not to kill each others) in order to defeat that NM. Results? We crashed the damn server.
Don't even expect that to change at 2.0. No MMO on the market is able to manage thousands of players fighting at the same location. -
07-03-2012, 10:00 PMZottan
It would be also cool have an hnm that runs by all maps and have to be killed chasing him on choco
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07-03-2012, 10:19 PMurtvevery mmo is able to,its just that there isnt any content that requires that many players.the most i seen is in aion during governor battles and large scale pvp.easily reaches 1k total on both sides.though it was all on asian serversQuote:
Originally Posted by Antipika
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07-03-2012, 10:39 PMAntipikaOh yeah every MMO is so able that most of them crashes when too many players are gathered...Quote:
Originally Posted by urtv
SWTOR crashed during PvP on Ilum when there was too many players.
Rift crashed no later than yesterday because of the newly introduced X-shard 3 factions PvP area (Conquest)
DAoC (old but still) often crashed in Realm vs Realm when a massive amount of players were in the same region.
And that's only for servers crash, I'm not even gonna talk about game client not optimized to support this. Enjoy your 5 fps even with a high end PC. The only exception to the above would maybe be EvE Online.
1K total is nothing. We had more in 2002... Having 400+ on each faction in DAoC happened often. I remember battle channel capping at 200 players and having the need of 3 of them within a single faction.
Rokien is talking about something that would be X-shard. Do you realize how many players it would be, even on the current version of the game? So what if 2.0 is a "success" and we have 2 or 3 times what we currently have? -
07-03-2012, 11:18 PMAntanias
Rokien's back? This won't be good :(
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07-03-2012, 11:49 PMKraususQuote:
Originally Posted by Zottan
Doomtrain!!!!!! -
07-04-2012, 12:10 AMMolly_Millions
in before Odin in 2.0
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07-04-2012, 12:19 AMDragonGreat idea, though I must say it should be able to gain strength (ergo recover HP and increase in base defense) for each person that dies fighting it. Any Ur-Dragon fight would not be the same without that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
We're not talking about hundreds of people literally showing up on the screen; in Dragon's Dogma, when fighting Ur-Dragon, you only have yourself and your Pawns on your screen. However, at each stage in the fight there's a "reset" wherein Ur-Dragon leaves and then returns with a different amount of life based on total damage done across the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antipika
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07-04-2012, 12:19 AMCaptaindownsyndrome
god hate say this but i like that idea
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07-04-2012, 01:24 AMSkiesWell... Theoretically we could have a special instance server that is specially dimensioned to handle like 2k players to be used in some gigantic epic fight (Rokien's idea for the fight is pretty not good, though).Quote:
Originally Posted by Antipika
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07-04-2012, 01:29 AMCharismatic
While people are fighting the Ur-Dragon all at once, they are not actually in the same spot.
Each player is in their own world. In fact, due to this the Ur-Dragon is in a kind of desynced state where several people can actually get the killshot on the same Ur-Dragon.
What I like most about it is that it is healed when it kills someone and I do hope that if XIV does ever implement a boss like this, it would in fact do the same and I 'am' for it getting stronger each time it is killed just like the Dragon's Dogma Ur-Dragon.
It would also be nice if they continually updated its loot tables so that it is always relevant content. Not necessarily top tier items but items that people who aren't the hardcores would want or at least entry level into whatever end-game events are relevant at the time. -
07-04-2012, 01:40 AMAntipika
That makes more sense then if only the status of the monster is shared across players at different locations :). I am still worried about the technical side of things.
There is no such thing as "their own world" for us in XIV, either each single player (or let's say party) have its very own instance, either we have to be gathered. I still don't see servers being able to handle tons of instances created at the very same time, for a cross-shard event. Before aiming for anything that ambitious, SE should try to make large scale PvE on a single server already.
And then, maybe gather couple of servers together. And finally, aim for something big, if steps before were successful :) -
07-04-2012, 01:46 AMRokien
I did give the link about the fight, because I know I didn't explain it well, you just had to click "Dragons Dogma".
The only reason why I say make it instance is there are going to be people who will fight it non stop for those few days. That will bring up legal issues for SE(AV anyone?). So if they made it like Dragons dogma, get like 20 or more(however many) people in an instance. Give it a timer pretty much saying HEY YOU GUYS ARE DONE FIGHTING, but if you wanna fight more you can. idk, I think open world would be more amazing, though, this will probably be the only time I will like instance content as well. -
07-04-2012, 01:52 AMKiriA500
Wait, you want an NM that takes people from every server to beat?
You were SO against a Content Finder, which brings people from other servers together for the sake of doing stuff... You need to make up your mind on which you want... -
07-04-2012, 02:00 AMRokienI don't like content finder, my mind hasn't been changed. Though, It would just be People from your server, and people fight it from there server, and other people fight it in there server. I'm just saying that it would work really well with content finder.Quote:
Originally Posted by KiriA500
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07-04-2012, 02:14 AMRannieDamn you now I can't stop thinking of Selphie and her love of trains!Quote:
Originally Posted by Krausus
and a pile of sugar bags around her -
07-04-2012, 04:21 AMMartaDemireux
In before "Gotta lock thread because it's not about FFXIV" or somesuch?
Can't say I'd want to fight something that required so many people... would just mean everyone dying in one hit, maybe two. Be a smack mob-die-raise-smack mob-die-raise-repeat situation. Assuming I understand your idea correctly. -
07-04-2012, 04:30 AMRokienNot really..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvWb404xw6oQuote:
Originally Posted by MartaDemireux
Basically it will be a collective amount of people fight it on different servers. So, you really wouldn't be seeing that many people. Sooo 100 people fighting it, there are 10 servers, 10 people from each server are fighting it working together to kill it, indirectly.
That was just an example. -
07-04-2012, 11:00 AMBaudle
Hello!
This is an interesting idea and I am glad for the discussion, but we do have a policy against directly advertising/ discussing other games. As such, I am going to lock this thread. Thank you for your understanding.
~Baudle