Item/Gear Management Needs A "Less is More" Redux

Needing to keep track of sorting gear in/out of armoury chest and glamour drawer is just a blatant mandatory chore and wasting too much time for something that doesn't need to exist.

Glamour dresser is 100% a mistake and shouldn't exist, cosmetic appearances should be auto-learned upon item pickup. It killed my interest in wanting to go out of my way to build cosmetic sets. I'd rather pretend glamours don't exist than deal with this back and forthing.

Additionally, end game gear currency systems and needing to keep track of whether a currency item is useful or bag space wasting or if I can even use said currency items is giving me extremely bad vibes. Just put all the gear currencies in a currency tab and don't fill our bags with the job of un-engaging chore tier busy work.

My limit was with poetic currency tracking, and hitting end game with the bag filling nag items that I'm supposed to keep track of (in combination with various current tier things being timegated, on their own they are more tolerable) is why I quit FFXIV for a few months, twice in a row so far (once last year, then again a few months ago). The only thing that brings me back is that a certain other mmo has raced to the bottom and so I keep giving FFXIV another shot.

I'm just giving my own experience and frustrations here so a developer can read them. I'm not going to respond to comments, if it's like WoW forums with people nitpicking and gatekeeping.

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Originally Posted by SquishyPlushie

Needing to keep track of sorting gear in/out of armoury chest and glamour drawer is just a blatant mandatory chore and wasting too much time for something that doesn't need to exist.

Glamour dresser is 100% a mistake and shouldn't exist, cosmetic appearances should be auto-learned upon item pickup. It killed my interest in wanting to go out of my way to build cosmetic sets. I'd rather pretend glamours don't exist than deal with this back and forthing.

Additionally, end game gear currency systems and needing to keep track of whether a currency item is useful or bag space wasting or if I can even use said currency items is giving me extremely bad vibes. Just put all the gear currencies in a currency tab and don't fill our bags with the job of un-engaging chore tier busy work.

My limit was with poetic currency tracking, and hitting end game with the bag filling nag items that I'm supposed to keep track of (in combination with various current tier things being timegated, on their own they are more tolerable) is why I quit FFXIV for a few months, twice in a row so far (once last year, then again a few months ago). The only thing that brings me back is that a certain other mmo has raced to the bottom and so I keep giving FFXIV another shot.

I'm just giving my own experience and frustrations here so a developer can read them. I'm not going to respond to comments, if it's like WoW forums with people nitpicking and gatekeeping.

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There's a setting in character configuration that puts new gear into your inventory instead of armory chest. I suggest adjusting that. As for glam dresser....would you rather the old system we had at one point where you had to have specific glam prisms to even be able to glam a piece for your class.

I think problem you have is you glam collect. Now as for currency...what's the issue. The comedy stuff is capped weekly but that's so you don't blow through getting the set better then diadochos in a day as it's current tier stuff. If you can't be bothered to see what currency gear is good for your class...then that's on you lol. Stick to crafted gear.

Gc turnin gear you don't need. Boom done. End of discussion. Now please don't respond because you just whining about a system you seem to want to be lazy in

In WoW, you auto-learn all appearances of gear that's bound to you, and when you open the transmog UI, everything is available in visual lists, which you can instantly click to try on the preview window. One downside is that it costs gold to change appearances. The more items in the set, the more it costs, so you don't do frequent changing there.

In comparison, the FFXIV glamour system is a chore, because you have to decide whether to keep an appearance for future use, and go through a complex process to save them before you dispose of the items. (Not even sure if this is possible without taking up some space somewhere.)

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

In WoW, you auto-learn all appearances of gear that's bound to you, and when you open the transmog UI, everything is available in visual lists, which you can instantly click to try on the preview window. One downside is that it costs gold to change appearances. The more items in the set, the more it costs, so you don't do frequent changing there.

In comparison, the FFXIV glamour system is a chore, because you have to decide whether to keep an appearance for future use, and go through a complex process to save them before you dispose of the items. (Not even sure if this is possible without taking up some space somewhere.)

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There's also a huge hurdle FF14 would need to clear first that WoW doesn't have. A lot of WoW's stuff is mitigated by a few factors that make the Transmog log possible. First off is that it only collects and loads appearances that you are capable of using. So only weapons you can equip are saved and only the armor that is meant for your class is saved. So a Paladin can only save Plate gear, shields, and their weapons. A Mage can only save cloth gear and their weapons. It limits the amount of data that has to be stored per character. FF14 this would be an issue since a single character can wear ANYTHING. It would have to be designed to store and load EVERY single weapon and armor item in the game for every character. A tall order to be sure.

Additionally, FF14 has to also hold information on the dye channel which is about to be expanded even further. This makes it highly unlikely, and potentially even impossible, for FF14 to ever have something like that unless the Devs can figure out a way to make it without the huge data store needed.

Don't get me wrong, what we have is not at all perfect and there are probably plenty of ways to do it better. Whether these ways would work with the way FF14 is coded and designed is another story entirely. Honestly with the new dye channels coming out just add pity drops to old level cap dungeons and I'd be fine with the current system. The lack of the pity drops that leveling dungeons have in old level cap dungeons hurts.

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

In WoW, you auto-learn all appearances of gear that's bound to you, and when you open the transmog UI, everything is available in visual lists, which you can instantly click to try on the preview window. One downside is that it costs gold to change appearances. The more items in the set, the more it costs, so you don't do frequent changing there.

In comparison, the FFXIV glamour system is a chore, because you have to decide whether to keep an appearance for future use, and go through a complex process to save them before you dispose of the items. (Not even sure if this is possible without taking up some space somewhere.)

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Pretty much same system in GW2. Out of these 3 MMORPGs, it's incredible that the FFXIV, which is the newest one, and is much more focused on glam and related things, has the worst system.

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Originally Posted by SquishyPlushie

Glamour dresser is 100% a mistake and shouldn't exist, cosmetic appearances should be auto-learned upon item pickup. It killed my interest in wanting to go out of my way to build cosmetic sets. I'd rather pretend glamours don't exist than deal with this back and forthing.

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The glamour dresser exists because they tried to make the other system work but the game couldn't handle it.

Unless and until they develop a way to overcome the limitations for a full glamour log, we are stuck with the current system and you just have to learn to work with it. Figure out the types of outfits that suit your character, collect those styles, and ignore the rest. Or memorise where you can repurchase things easily, and prioritise storing the things you can't get back.

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Originally Posted by Vrankyl

FF14 this would be an issue since a single character can wear ANYTHING. It would have to be designed to store and load EVERY single weapon and armor item in the game for every character. A tall order to be sure.

Additionally, FF14 has to also hold information on the dye channel which is about to be expanded even further.

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Dye information isn't important for a glamour catalog. However, you are right about the problem of having to store data for every glamourable gear piece in the game.


OP: have a read of Thread: Glamour and why it's poorly designed, in particular, my reply which quotes another previous thread where I compared the data requirements, including scalability and future-proofing, of the dresser vs a catalog.

Mao still thinkings Dye and Glam storage systems used by GW2 is gold standard for MMOs. Mao nots sure if FFXIV code even able to adopt such systems but if is, can prove to be HUGE financial boon to SE as Glammings would go into FULL ENDGAME SAVAGE MODE!

Clearing out my Armory Chest takes five minutes every couple weeks and it isn’t even half full. My glamour chest isn’t even nearly full and I keep all sorts of stuff for glams…

No. Just no. This is a pebkac problem. Stop hoarding.

I don't care about glamour at all but I'm not ever going to say that the system in FFXIV should not be improved (or cannot, they've obviously put things through the pipeline that they wouldn't have dreamed of in ARR like cross world PF and realm+ data center roaming).

We should demand more from them, especially because they're focusing on things like appearances and environments and lately, many around here feel, to the detriment of core systems like battle encounter and job design.

As someone who never has (and probably never will) use the cash shop, I find it telling that they're willing to add extra dye slots for every piece of gear but not make dyes obtainable in a more permanent way in game like GW2 has had since its beginning, especially the rarer ones that also exist for purchase for real money.

They could just as easily make dyes exist purely within the dye menu, and should be working towards making gear work the same as that in the glamour dresser. I get that it's likely a technical hurdle, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't collectively shrug and say it can't be helped.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were still just limitations on the system that are arbitrary like how it used to require 50 and various levels and classes of glamour prisms.

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Originally Posted by Post

As someone who never has (and probably never will) use the cash shop, I find it telling that they're willing to add extra dye slots for every piece of gear but not make dyes obtainable in a more permanent way in game like GW2 has had since its beginning, especially the rarer ones that also exist for purchase for real money.

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It really feels like half the changes to the glam system are only related to the cash shop.

• 6.0 - I don't think there was anything.
• 6.1 - Dreamfitting, pure focus on MTX.
• 6.2 - Glam dresser capacity increased from 400 to 800, a good change.
• 6.3 - Filter which is effectively a name search.
• 6.4 - Glam from retainers, a 50/50 change. Storing more glam in retainers is a good option, but retainers' inventory is still pretty limited, unless you open your wallet, of course. It seems pretty unrealistic to use your 2 free retainers to store a good amount of glams. I don't, and my retainers are pretty full already.
• 6.5 - Storing cash shop items in the armoire, a pure focus on MTX.

So in EW, we got 1 great addition, 1 ineffective filter, 1 feature from which you benefit mostly if you pay for additional retainers, and 2 pure MTX features. I understand that people focusing on glam are more likely to be whales, but it would surely be nice if all paying customers had access to a system that doesn't make you want to rip your hair out.