Dancer feels great to play

Heyo! I've been playing Dancer for quite a while now and I just had to say, it's great. The flow of the rotation is really nice and the number of buttons is just right for me.

I think Tillana and Fan Dance IV are a bit out of place, given you can only use them once per burst rotation and they just seem to be there for the sake of more buttons, but honestly it's a very minor thing. The Technical Step rotation flows really nicely and I enjoy it a lot. I do however hope that there won't be new buttons added just for the sake of new buttons like these two.

That's all, I just like Dancer. Thank you for reading~ <3

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Originally Posted by ErisGalaxy

Heyo! I've been playing Dancer for quite a while now and I just had to say, it's great. The flow of the rotation is really nice and the number of buttons is just right for me.

I think Tillana and Fan Dance IV are a bit out of place, given you can only use them once per burst rotation and they just seem to be there for the sake of more buttons, but honestly it's a very minor thing. The Technical Step rotation flows really nicely and I enjoy it a lot. I do however hope that there won't be new buttons added just for the sake of new buttons like these two.

That's all, I just like Dancer. Thank you for reading~ <3

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I think the Tillana situation is okay... Couild've been more but hey. Thing is that the Technical Step window is already at capacity both on Esprit and oGCDs - I can't really think about anything else that can be added inside the TS unless they rework old abilities, which often does not bear well for jobs that are considered good already. Fan Dance IV to me seems a bit redundant to have. It could easily have being a FD3 upgrade, but I guess the reason it exists as a separate entity is that they didn't want to give FD3 charges for when you Flourish. If that's so, I wish it had something extra to it, just to to be a complete clone.

Maybe the Dancer has space for gameplay additions outside of the TS moments. A new dance to alternate with Standard Step maybe?

The only old thing I'd like rework is actually Closed Position (or an upgrade Closed Position II), to be made like the PVP iteration, that you can use it freely as an ogcd. A CP optimization would probably be more impactful than the clunky way it is nowadays and a desirable thing to reach for.

I think I would prefer Tillana to be removed from the being exclusively in the TS window and moved into an oGCD with a 1 min CD that gave 50 Espirit. That way your odd minute Flourish window would have a little more meat to it. It would also benefit TS window because getting low procs of Espirit during your 2 min is legitimately so painful. Sometimes you can get tons of Saber Dances in TS, and sometimes only 1 or 2. It really sucks to be on the receiving end of that, especially since Saber Dance is so important to your 2 min, so I would like to see some sort of adjustment to that.

Closed Position being oGCD is also needed. It would make playing DNC at a higher level even more fun. Right now DP optimization is very hard to do and only really viable during downtime transitions which aren't present in a lot of Savage fights.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

Closed Position being oGCD is also needed. It would make playing DNC at a higher level even more fun. Right now DP optimization is very hard to do and only really viable during downtime transitions which aren't present in a lot of Savage fights.

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Agree. Just look how engaging CP is during PVP, it really gives a whole different layer of awareness to know who you should be CPing at any given moment.

Of course, in PVE I doubt it would be as dynamic, given of how scripted it is, but at least you'd have more engagement in, for example, CPìn'g certain people for their odd minute mini bursts (i.e. Trick Attack), or if your main CP is having a weakness debuff.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Agree. Just look how engaging CP is during PVP, it really gives a whole different layer of awareness to know who you should be CPing at any given moment.

Of course, in PVE I doubt it would be as dynamic, given of how scripted it is, but at least you'd have more engagement in, for example, CPìn'g certain people for their odd minute mini bursts (i.e. Trick Attack), or if your main CP is having a weakness debuff.

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For sure. If it had a way to transfer Standard immediately to your new partner, it could have some really cool niche plays along the same vein as flashing Improv. Just more avenues for people to show their mastery of the job.

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Regardless, even just being able to freely swap DP would be a great way to raise the skill ceiling without changing the skill floor at all for people who play more casual DNC.

I'm glad you're enjoying Dancer! It's one of my favorite classes too :D

People might hate me for this. But I kind of wish I didn't have to do the tech step "dance steps" every single time I wanted to tech step. Like I know it's dancer and that's the point but idk. It gets dull and old after a while imo. Especially pre-pull Standardstep when people won't give you a proper countdown. I do agree that Tillana and Fan Dance IV feel just there. Same with Starfall dance being locked behind Devilment. I also feel like Improvisation is another filler button that probably get's used the least.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

raise the skill ceiling without changing the skill floor at all for people who play more casual DNC.

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That is my hopes for the future of most jobs (SMNs please!), to be honest. Everyone deserve to have that little extra "skill attic" that is even beyond good play but rewards a bit more of DPS. Exactly what BLM's Transpose Lines is. Not a requirement to complete any kind of dps check (if your party is pulling their weight that is), but a nice goal for overachievers.

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

People might hate me for this. But I kind of wish I didn't have to do the tech step "dance steps" every single time I wanted to tech step. Like I know it's dancer and that's the point but idk. It gets dull and old after a while imo. Especially pre-pull Standardstep when people won't give you a proper countdown. I do agree that Tillana and Fan Dance IV feel just there. Same with Starfall dance being locked behind Devilment. I also feel like Improvisation is another filler button that probably get's used the least.

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What if Technical Step gets a 7.0 upgrade that adds a damage component to each step? Maybe it wouldn't feel like that. But yeah, on random duty finder parties not having a countdown is bad not just for DNC, but everyone else. Not that it matters a lot in the end because on those groups people rarely play tightly around the 2min meta.

I don't really mind Starfall dance being like it is, but why on earth Devilment doesn't turn into Starfall Dance is beyond me. Improv is more useful nowadays, because at least you can use the small regen, but I still think Improv when situationally used for its full effect should be much stronger than what currently is - even a full channeled shield is puny, and to be honest, the shield healer in your party is probably offset that by a huge margin because they'll cast GCD shields during that downtime anyway. Improv could probably have the shield replaced by mitigation - 1% for every channeled tick.

It's probably my favorite class these days.

I do agree that a higher skill ceiling with the same skill floor would be nice, that's always welcome for those interested.

I'd say it's probably my favorite class too.

As said in another thread on this subject, whilst I'd like to be able to say that Bard is my preference... I can't. I love Bard, but the job is a lot busier - more of a balancing act - than Dancer and I consequently find myself almost defaulting to Dancer for ranged-DPS.

I agree, DNC feels very satisfying to play even if it is the easiest job in the game (even easier than SMN IMO)

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

I also feel like Improvisation is another filler button that probably get's used the least.

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I used to feel the same as you but the past few weeks, im not sure why, but i had a kind of change of mind on it.
Improv as a channeled ability with its shield on use is just a waste, It can only be used during 'transition' phases or its a DPS loss and any time you use the shield, its just overwritten by your healers shields anyway.
Where i now find it suddenly shining is as an extra heal.
Not a channeled heal, i pop improv for about half a second to a second then cancel it, it puts a 12 second regen on everyone in range and a pretty good one at that, i always thought the heal was channeled when in reality the channel only serves to reset the regens timer and prep the shields time up.

Situation i have been finding myself in where i use it is:
Boss uses AOE with me assigned to shield samba it.
Second AOE in a row comes up that will either have someone elses shield assigned or have healers heavy heal through, instead of Shield Samba which is on cooldown, i pop a 1 second improv and dot the party with the Regen effect. healers dont have to go as hard on their healing and can put a little more into DPS instead.

It may not be a second shield but it can be just as handy in the recovery.
(Shield Samba makes you flex to Sage for one AOE to prevent damage, Improv makes you flex to WHM to recover from one attack while not killing your DPS to channel)

I do agree that FanIV and Tili feel like filler moves, like SE said "Dancers are fine as is, instead of coming up with something new, just clone starfall dance with 2 new graphical effects and triggers. and call it a day." For us, EW is the expansion of "Damage the first enemy then 50% less to each enemy after" expansion lol.
Devilment DEFINITLY needs its button to change to Starfall Dance on use, More buttons, more bloat, more difficulty does not = better gameplay despite what some of the very loud, very self absorbed 'make everything so difficult and complex only i can play it'' players in SE's face say.

I have been doing a lot of Eureka lately and really wish they would give Dancers an Elemental weapon at least.
I dont care if its a reskin, i dont care if they just copy stats from say, Bards weapon at the same stages and call it a day, i just want to have an ele weapon (And not need to grind another jobs to unlock the ele armor/weapon vendor in Pyros) for my job of choice going into BA so im not at as big of a disadvantage and have a little more incentive to play the job i know and love in there.
Not so worried about adding DNC weapons to older trials and content, just Eureka is a special situation.

Would love too see some visible Dancer job NPC's out there and in the MSQ too, but were known as "The forgotten Job" and the "Eh? Good enough, don't spend dev time" job for a reason lol.
We are the final gen Nokia brick phone when everyone else were upgrading to Smart phones lol, will be fine forever but wont be getting the TLC or attention of "Other company's models" and "new company's models." We just work at a good enough state to scrape by and likely always will.

Theres bit of a joke: "If the Dancer is the lowest DPS in the party(In the DPS role), and their Dance Partner is the highest, then all is right in the world of FFXIV."

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Originally Posted by Sililos

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You're absolutely right. And what sucks about that is that Dancer feels like a job that might only get one or two brand new actions at all in 7.0 with everything else being upgraded animations/potencies to existing skills like our main combo or Fan Dances.

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

You're absolutely right. And what sucks about that is that Dancer feels like a job that might only get one or two brand new actions at all in 7.0 with everything else being upgraded animations/potencies to existing skills like our main combo or Fan Dances.

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Most jobs only get one or two new actions each expansion, because certain level brackets are dedicated to traits. Example, look at the healers, they get a new thing at 86, and at 90, and the rest is just traits/the new animations for damage skills that translate to +10potency. Or for melee, you've got something like NIN, where you get Phantom Whatsit at 82, Raiju at 90, and the rest is 'upgraded animations/potencies'. Hollow Nozuchi is cool and all, but it's hardly a 'new skill', as you're going to be using Doton in AOE anyway, it's just 'a bit more damage while you do the exact same thing you were doing before'. DRG gets 'Raiden Thrust for AOE', VFX upgrades (downgrades imo) to Full/Chaotic, and Wyrmwind at 90. That's basically 'one new skill'

What did DNC get in EW? Fan Dance 4, Starfall Dance, Tillana? Like I hope you do get a lot of cool new stuff, but it could be so so much worse is my point. I pray every expansion that SE does not get lazy and throw you SaberDance-but-ST, because then we'll know they're completely out of ideas for the job

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

Most jobs only get one or two new actions each expansion, because certain level brackets are dedicated to traits. Example, look at the healers, they get a new thing at 86, and at 90, and the rest is just traits/the new animations for damage skills that translate to +10potency. Or for melee, you've got something like NIN, where you get Phantom Whatsit at 82, Raiju at 90, and the rest is 'upgraded animations/potencies'. Hollow Nozuchi is cool and all, but it's hardly a 'new skill', as you're going to be using Doton in AOE anyway, it's just 'a bit more damage while you do the exact same thing you were doing before'. DRG gets 'Raiden Thrust for AOE', VFX upgrades (downgrades imo) to Full/Chaotic, and Wyrmwind at 90. That's basically 'one new skill'

What did DNC get in EW? Fan Dance 4, Starfall Dance, Tillana? Like I hope you do get a lot of cool new stuff, but it could be so so much worse is my point. I pray every expansion that SE does not get lazy and throw you SaberDance-but-ST, because then we'll know they're completely out of ideas for the job

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And also there's the fact that we have nothing to put in the Technical Step window without reworking old actions. It's already packed with Saber Dances and oGCDs. I'm hoping for stuff that we can actually use *outside* of the TS.

Wishful fantasy thinking, but I'd love something in the element of fire to flip the Fourfould Feathers into Phoenix Feathers and the rotation becoming imbued with fire attacks, but not sure how this could work.

Dancer is super fun! I absolutely love all the rng procs and how they create a fluid variety in how you play it. The aesthetic is also top notch ^.^

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Originally Posted by Raikai

And also there's the fact that we have nothing to put in the Technical Step window without reworking old actions. It's already packed with Saber Dances and oGCDs. I'm hoping for stuff that we can actually use *outside* of the TS.

Wishful fantasy thinking, but I'd love something in the element of fire to flip the Fourfould Feathers into Phoenix Feathers and the rotation becoming imbued with fire attacks, but not sure how this could work.

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Maybe some kind of Fan Dance spender where you consume the feather on a different skill, doing more damage than the usual Fan Dance+FD3 proc, but with no FD3 proc chance, and because the feather was burned up by the flames, it locks you out of generating a feather on that slot of the gauge for a small duration? So the idea would be, you'd be using that spender to fill the first 1min after Tech Step (or during it too, near the end of it maybe), and then because of the lockout, you'd avoid using it as you build towards the next TechStep window, as spending on FireDance or whatever it's called right before TS would lock you out of generation and then you'd go into TS with like, 1 feather and it'd be very sad

idk, just off the top of my head, I don't main the class so I'm probably the least qualified to give any ideas

Actually, doesn't Azeyma use fans, and is fire-themed? Might be onto something

I love playing DNC, it's been my main job throughout ShB and EW. I also started raiding this expansion and exclusively played DNC for every fight

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

People might hate me for this. But I kind of wish I didn't have to do the tech step "dance steps" every single time I wanted to tech step. Like I know it's dancer and that's the point but idk. It gets dull and old after a while imo. Especially pre-pull Standardstep when people won't give you a proper countdown

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I actually like it, it feels like I'm winding up for something big then it finishes with a satisfying burst of damage and you start weaving in all your skills you've been saving for 2 mins all while knowing that your entire party is doing more damage because of you. Most jobs don't have that wind up before the burst and it just kind of happens whenever your biggest skill comes off cooldown

This is why it is vital to have a variety of wildly different jobs with varying levels of complexity in the game. I find Dancer to be the most excruciatingly boring job in the entire game, but for tons of people it's their favorite job. By the same token lots of people hate the jobs I like the most.

All of that is totally fine, and in fact healthy for the game, because people can play whatever suits their taste, which is an option that goes out the window when every job is dumbed down and homogenized. Hopefully the positive feedback from wacky PvP job design has reinforced this lesson to the devs.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

What if Technical Step gets a 7.0 upgrade that adds a damage component to each step? Maybe it wouldn't feel like that. But yeah, on random duty finder parties not having a countdown is bad not just for DNC, but everyone else. Not that it matters a lot in the end because on those groups people rarely play tightly around the 2min meta.

I don't really mind Starfall dance being like it is, but why on earth Devilment doesn't turn into Starfall Dance is beyond me. Improv is more useful nowadays, because at least you can use the small regen, but I still think Improv when situationally used for its full effect should be much stronger than what currently is - even a full channeled shield is puny, and to be honest, the shield healer in your party is probably offset that by a huge margin because they'll cast GCD shields during that downtime anyway. Improv could probably have the shield replaced by mitigation - 1% for every channeled tick.

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Dancers will still flash improv, it will never be full channeled.

The potency loss from the DPS abilities you could have used instead...

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

I think I would prefer Tillana to be removed from the being exclusively in the TS window and moved into an oGCD with a 1 min CD that gave 50 Espirit. That way your odd minute Flourish window would have a little more meat to it. It would also benefit TS window because getting low procs of Espirit during your 2 min is legitimately so painful. Sometimes you can get tons of Saber Dances in TS, and sometimes only 1 or 2. It really sucks to be on the receiving end of that, especially since Saber Dance is so important to your 2 min, so I would like to see some sort of adjustment to that.

Closed Position being oGCD is also needed. It would make playing DNC at a higher level even more fun. Right now DP optimization is very hard to do and only really viable during downtime transitions which aren't present in a lot of Savage fights.

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Closed Position is already oGCD....

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Closed_Position

Dancer is currently my favorite physranged. It was Bard, but DNC feels a bit less funky to me when it comes to it's 2-minute stuff, and MCH feels bad to play personally whenever my ping decides to have even the smallest of hiccups.

My biggest gripe off the top of my head is that I wish Improvisation wasn't a channel, and instead just gave the regen and full shield instantly. I never have a reason to prolong it for the shield.

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Originally Posted by NightHour

Dancers will still flash improv, it will never be full channeled.

The potency loss from the DPS abilities you could have used instead...





Closed Position is already oGCD....

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Closed_Position

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I think they might mean about not having a recast time, as in, functioning exactly like the PVP version, which is something I agree, and might even add an interesting layer of optimization. I never truly tried it, but got from others that it's a very minuscule gain to do that with how it currently is (sans if your DP is dead, of course).

I've got very few complaints about dancer, the only thing I kinda wish is you could use dance partner on yourself to get the added benefits of other skills in anything solo, it be fine if this was a damage loss in any team content.

Favorite phys range by far tho