Which Weapon

Hello everyone,

Currently i use Ifrits Claw on my Monk since 1.22c there are some new weapons and i have some questions about the Weapons.

First of all we have Garuda's who is sightly faster then the new GC Claws (gridania), but have less Base Damage but a bit higher Dps.

my first question is.... Base Damage > Dps for Weaponskills? If yes, does this count for every class ingame ?

and my last Question is, if this GC weapon is better then Garuda's is it worth the 25k points :P?

For WS's you'll want to look at the base damage above all else.

DPS is only counting the base dmg and the delay on the weapons. It doesn't factor in the additional crit+/atk+ etc that most weapons feature - so keep that in mind.

Think of DPS as damage over time. A higher DPS weapon will yield more damage over a long battle while a lower DPS weapon that has a higher DMG will yield higher results in a short battle.

Get both, use one for running through mobs on the way to a boss and the other on the boss itself.

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You can also base the weapon on your playstyle/gear-set. If you have a heavy crit-based gear-set/playstyle go for Garuda's. If you're going just for raw attack power in your gear/style then Serpent Lieutenant's Claws will yield more of a return and higher weapon skill damage.

On the whole I'd go for the Serpent Lieutenant's Claws. They have a lower DPS just because they hit a little slower but if you have 2 BRD's and that LNC ability I can't think the name of that gives TP then you'll get a much higher return by being able to WS more often for larger numbers.

If you factor in the Sanction buff of attack power+25, the DPS will be higher than Garuda's Talons in a long fight. Just remember it only lasts for 2(?) hours and will wear off if you die.

higher the DPS,higher your weaponskills can be. I use Garuda's talons over Ifrits claws and as far as using GC weps, grid one isn't all that good, can't really say much about the other companies but going back to town to get sanction really puts me off for the weps.

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Originally Posted by SynysterBlitz

higher the DPS,higher your weaponskills can be. I use Garuda's talons over Ifrits claws and as far as using GC weps, grid one isn't all that good, can't really say much about the other companies but going back to town to get sanction really puts me off for the weps.

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Incorrect. As I stated above, Damage is what's used in WS calculation, DPS is just damage per second - the damage over time using only melee attacks. DPS also doesn't factor in additional stats like atk+ crit+ acc+ str+ etc.

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Originally Posted by MartaDemireux

Incorrect. As I stated above, Damage is what's used in WS calculation, DPS is just damage per second - the damage over time using only melee attacks. DPS also doesn't factor in additional stats like atk+ crit+ acc+ str+ etc.

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Actually you're wrong lol, Kaeko did testing and he found that DPS is the # that calculates the min/max for your Weaponskills. I am at work so can't find it, but don't act like what you speak is truth cause you're spreading false information...

Marta, you are actually wrong, at least according to what are the most trustworthy tests I've seen.

DPS is the base factor of WS damage. Whereas base Damage is the base factor of auto-attack (whose frequency is determined by the Delay, hence how no matter what you use your weapon's Delay comes into play)

Good grief, take a break for a month and everything gets turned upside down and painted polka-dot! Thanks for the link to the testing :D

Disregard my post then for the most part!

Go for Garuda's. This new weapon batch isn't sanction based, it's serpent gear based. Need 5 pieces of serpent gear to get the atk+25. You'd be sacrificing better armor in most cases unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by SynysterBlitz

but don't act like what you speak is truth cause you're spreading false information...

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It was the truth the last I had known so I spoke it as such :\ . I hadn't seen the new tests until now.

Depends on your gear.

If you can hit stat cap, goes for highest DPS weapons.
If you can't hit stat cap or nowhere near cap, go for highest Damage weapon because they allows you to hit higher number of WS easier.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

Depends on your gear.

If you can hit stat cap, goes for highest DPS weapons.
If you can't hit stat cap or nowhere near cap, go for highest Damage weapon because they allows you to hit higher number of WS easier.

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This statment is also false. See the link below.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/107...y-work./page22

On that page a monk compared the GC weapons with Garuda's Talons changing zero stats. What he found was DPS in and of itself also plays a part in your overall WS damage. As you can see his WS went up switching to Garuda's Talons while his AAs and Shoulder Tackles went down.

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Originally Posted by Drexel

This statment is also false. See the link below.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/107...y-work./page22

On that page a monk compared the GC weapons with Garuda's Talons changing zero stats. What he found was DPS in and of itself also plays a part in your overall WS damage. As you can see his WS went up switching to Garuda's Talons while his AAs and Shoulder Tackles went down.

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In that case, base damage is now only for AA? D:! lol time to turn in my claw for seal

For me it was a pretty simple choice. I found my tank was having to work harder to keep hate and that I was having to hate manage much more with the Talons. This told me all I needed to know and I turned my ifrits claws in for seals.

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Originally Posted by charlemagne

For me it was a pretty simple choice. I found my tank was having to work harder to keep hate and that I was having to hate manage much more with the Talons. This told me all I needed to know and I turned my ifrits claws in for seals.

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Not really a very good indicator lol. Not every tank is constant on enmity every fight.

2,800 seals takes so little time now anyway with caravans or totorak I dont think I could ever part with any of my 21 primal weaps.

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Originally Posted by Mister-Wonderful

Not really a very good indicator lol. Not every tank is constant on enmity every fight.

2,800 seals takes so little time now anyway with caravans or totorak I dont think I could ever part with any of my 21 primal weaps.

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Perhaps I should have been clearer. We've used the same tank in the same fight in the same gear for a while now. The results over many runs were fairly convincing to me.

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Originally Posted by charlemagne

For me it was a pretty simple choice. I found my tank was having to work harder to keep hate and that I was having to hate manage much more with the Talons. This told me all I needed to know and I turned my ifrits claws in for seals.

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Late reply but I would much rather grab a militia earring and double meld some – enmity to a peisteskin hunting belt (total -50 emnity) than gimp your DPS on purpose.

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Originally Posted by Drexel

Late reply but I would much rather grab a militia earring and double meld some – enmity to a peisteskin hunting belt (total -50 emnity) than gimp your DPS on purpose.

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Yeah I preferred to make the tank work harder. He's got even better gear since this and his gear was already very good, he manages to keep hate almost all the time. I only use the talons for soloing now I prefer the limsa sergeants hooks for the int with sanction. I wouldn't want to put -emnity on a belt either when I can put sanguinary might on it instead and make him work even harder. My gear setup puts me just over the str and int caps with sanction and I have 72 crit att power on the body to make him sweat a lil more. Other than getting that belt with danguinary might I doubt I'll be doing anything with my gear setup until I have to think about adjusting it once I get relic fists.