Which Weapon

[Arkune]

Hello everyone,

Currently i use Ifrits Claw on my Monk since 1.22c there are some new weapons and i have some questions about the Weapons.

First of all we have Garuda's who is sightly faster then the new GC Claws (gridania), but have less Base Damage but a bit higher Dps.

my first question is.... Base Damage > Dps for Weaponskills? If yes, does this count for every class ingame ?

and my last Question is, if this GC weapon is better then Garuda's is it worth the 25k points :P?

[MartaDemireux]

For WS's you'll want to look at the base damage above all else.

DPS is only counting the base dmg and the delay on the weapons. It doesn't factor in the additional crit+/atk+ etc that most weapons feature - so keep that in mind.

Think of DPS as damage over time. A higher DPS weapon will yield more damage over a long battle while a lower DPS weapon that has a higher DMG will yield higher results in a short battle.

Get both, use one for running through mobs on the way to a boss and the other on the boss itself.

EDIT:

You can also base the weapon on your playstyle/gear-set. If you have a heavy crit-based gear-set/playstyle go for Garuda's. If you're going just for raw attack power in your gear/style then Serpent Lieutenant's Claws will yield more of a return and higher weapon skill damage.

On the whole I'd go for the Serpent Lieutenant's Claws. They have a lower DPS just because they hit a little slower but if you have 2 BRD's and that LNC ability I can't think the name of that gives TP then you'll get a much higher return by being able to WS more often for larger numbers.

If you factor in the Sanction buff of attack power+25, the DPS will be higher than Garuda's Talons in a long fight. Just remember it only lasts for 2(?) hours and will wear off if you die.

[SynysterBlitz]

higher the DPS,higher your weaponskills can be. I use Garuda's talons over Ifrits claws and as far as using GC weps, grid one isn't all that good, can't really say much about the other companies but going back to town to get sanction really puts me off for the weps.

[MartaDemireux]

higher the DPS,higher your weaponskills can be. I use Garuda's talons over Ifrits claws and as far as using GC weps, grid one isn't all that good, can't really say much about the other companies but going back to town to get sanction really puts me off for the weps.

Incorrect. As I stated above, Damage is what's used in WS calculation, DPS is just damage per second - the damage over time using only melee attacks. DPS also doesn't factor in additional stats like atk+ crit+ acc+ str+ etc.

[SynysterBlitz]

Incorrect. As I stated above, Damage is what's used in WS calculation, DPS is just damage per second - the damage over time using only melee attacks. DPS also doesn't factor in additional stats like atk+ crit+ acc+ str+ etc.

Actually you're wrong lol, Kaeko did testing and he found that DPS is the # that calculates the min/max for your Weaponskills. I am at work so can't find it, but don't act like what you speak is truth cause you're spreading false information...

[Skies]

Marta, you are actually wrong, at least according to what are the most trustworthy tests I've seen.

DPS is the base factor of WS damage. Whereas base Damage is the base factor of auto-attack (whose frequency is determined by the Delay, hence how no matter what you use your weapon's Delay comes into play)

[MartaDemireux]

Good grief, take a break for a month and everything gets turned upside down and painted polka-dot! Thanks for the link to the testing

Disregard my post then for the most part!

Go for Garuda's. This new weapon batch isn't sanction based, it's serpent gear based. Need 5 pieces of serpent gear to get the atk+25. You'd be sacrificing better armor in most cases unfortunately.

And as for:

but don't act like what you speak is truth cause you're spreading false information...

It was the truth the last I had known so I spoke it as such :\ . I hadn't seen the new tests until now.

[Chardrizard]

Depends on your gear.

If you can hit stat cap, goes for highest DPS weapons.
If you can't hit stat cap or nowhere near cap, go for highest Damage weapon because they allows you to hit higher number of WS easier.

[Drexel]

Depends on your gear.

If you can hit stat cap, goes for highest DPS weapons.
If you can't hit stat cap or nowhere near cap, go for highest Damage weapon because they allows you to hit higher number of WS easier.

This statment is also false. See the link below.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/107...y-work./page22

On that page a monk compared the GC weapons with Garuda's Talons changing zero stats. What he found was DPS in and of itself also plays a part in your overall WS damage. As you can see his WS went up switching to Garuda's Talons while his AAs and Shoulder Tackles went down.

[Chardrizard]

This statment is also false. See the link below.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/107...y-work./page22

On that page a monk compared the GC weapons with Garuda's Talons changing zero stats. What he found was DPS in and of itself also plays a part in your overall WS damage. As you can see his WS went up switching to Garuda's Talons while his AAs and Shoulder Tackles went down.

In that case, base damage is now only for AA? D:! lol time to turn in my claw for seal