Phys Ranged hopes

Hey Friends I find myself playing phys ranged a lot when I’m not playing DRG and PLD. Here are some changes in my opinion would make things a bit better/more fun. I’m gonna include all 3 jobs since I don’t want to make 3 separate posts

Machinist:
- put Gauss Round and Ricochet on a shared timer, increase Gauss Round potency
- Auto Crossbow added effect “reduce recast timer of both Gauss Round and Ricohet”
- Wildfire should be AOE
- Bioblaster and Drill should have a separate recast timer
- Flamethrower should be a DoT, similar to Bioblaster
- Flamethrower and Bioblaster should proc another DoT when used together, call it Corrosive Burn (lasts 10 sec), think BLU when you use 2 spells and an extra effect activates

Bard:
- Caustic Bite and Stormbite should proc another DoT (similar to my MCH change) call it Toxic Cloud (last 40 sec)
- Make Iron Jaws an oGCD with 35 recast, 350 potency AOE with all 3 DoTs up (1 DoT=150 potency, 2 DoT=250 potency), and make a DoT spreader/extender
- Barrage should activate Shadowbite and make it hit 3 times
- Burst Shot and Refulgent Arrow should be a 2 part combo, the same with Ladonsbite and Shadowbite

Dancer:
- Add DoT that uses the dance mechanic, call it Toxic Step and it could last 40 sec

As you can see a good bit of my changes have to do with DoT, I think Phys ranged would be the best role to benefit from them, but this is just my opinion. Thank you for reading :)

You'll take another 10 potency and like it.

Most of these are actually fairly reasonable. SE has been moving away from DoTs (in my opinion), so I don't know how likely it is. I especially like the Flamethrower/Bioblaster combo. Give us a reason to use Flamethrower. I consider myself a pretty good MCH (not expert, but pretty good) and the number of instances I find myself using Flamethrower are few and far between. Considering it is a capstone ability (level 70), it should have more value than it has.

They buffed rPhys party mitigation tools to make them on par with DNC (somewhat...), and they probably think this satisfies the complaints about role identity and the ranged tax. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by primarisgoazrr

- put Gauss Round and Ricochet on a shared timer, increase Gauss Round potency
- Auto Crossbow added effect “reduce recast timer of both Gauss Round and Ricohet”
- Wildfire should be AOE
- Flamethrower should be a DoT, similar to Bioblaster

- Barrage should activate Shadowbite and make it hit 3 times

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I honestly have legit no idea why this hasn't been a thing since ShB launched tbh. Always wondered the exact same thing. Bonus points on the question of why is flamethrower still as useless as last expansion.

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Originally Posted by primarisgoazrr

- Burst Shot and Refulgent Arrow should be a 2 part combo, the same with Ladonsbite and Shadowbite

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Hell no. Please stop trying to insert standard combos into the last remaining physical jobs that are based on procs and other mechanics. I'm sick of standard combos holy smokes.

IDK why Flamethrower hasn't been changed yet. Wildfire being an AoE like in PvP would be nice (possibly 25% falloff damage like Standard Step) and Iron Jaws would be less awkward to use as an oGCD.

Although Bioblaster is much more niche than Drill, it would just turn into another Shadow Fang if it had its own cooldown. If it at least interacted with Flamethrower in some way, that would benefit both skills.

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Originally Posted by Valence

Hell no. Please stop trying to insert standard combos into the last remaining physical jobs that are based on procs and other mechanics. I'm sick of standard combos holy smokes.

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Then how about they adjust the proc rates based on the number of DoTs up? (Unless it already works that way? I’m not sure tbh)
My issue is when Refulgent Arrow procs, it PROCS and feels amazing and then a minute or 2 straight I get nothing and it feels dry. Shadowbite is a worse offender because it’s almost never up when I need to barrage. Really I could go either way

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Originally Posted by VictorSpoils

IDK why Flamethrower hasn't been changed yet. Wildfire being an AoE like in PvP would be nice (possibly 25% falloff damage like Standard Step) and Iron Jaws would be less awkward to use as an oGCD

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WF has never been AoE in any of the pvp versions. Not having every ability of the skill roster being used in AoE is okay as long as the AoE patterns are interesting and fun. Battery needs an AoE spender quite hard though.

Doesn't mean I'm against AoE WF though, sure, why not. But the priority is battery as far as i'm concerned.

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Originally Posted by primarisgoazrr

Then how about they adjust the proc rates based on the number of DoTs up? (Unless it already works that way? I’m not sure tbh)
My issue is when Refulgent Arrow procs, it PROCS and feels amazing and then a minute or 2 straight I get nothing and it feels dry. Shadowbite is a worse offender because it’s almost never up when I need to barrage. Really I could go either way

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Bard repertoire proc rate has gone through various iterations:

ARR/HW: only bloodletter/RoD were tied to dots, songs were doing different things, but the skill had a chance to reset any time you got a crit on a dot tick.
SB: songs tied to repertoire like today, every repertoire proc had a chance to proc from crit on a dot tick (PP, bloodletter/RoD reset, army haste buff).
ShB: procs tied to dot ticks without the crit requirement (to reduce itemization reliance), proc ratios greatly reduced in return.
EW: procs tied to 3s ticks linked to songs, no more reliance on dots.

I wouldn't mind them having basic procrates of say, 40% for no dot up, 60% for one, and the current 80% for two, sure. They can even keep the current 3s fixed song timeframes that aren't linked to dot ticks because it's frankly less obnoxious. It's definitely one of the big ??? of EW changes that removed all meaning from the dots on that job.

I wouldn't mind more from the procs on the base GCD action, much like MCH used to, or even DNC, or even better something new and fresh, but well, I'm not holding my breath...

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Originally Posted by primarisgoazrr

- Burst Shot and Refulgent Arrow should be a 2 part combo, the same with Ladonsbite and Shadowbite

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I don't think I quite understand where you are going with this, Ladonsbite has a 35% chance to proc Shadowbite, the same as burst Arrow/Iron Jaws/Causticbite/Stormbite procing Refulgent Arrow. The only difference is Barrage doesn't proc Shadowbite

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Originally Posted by Valence

WF has never been AoE in any of the pvp versions.

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It is literally AoE in PvP now:

https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/machinist/#pvp

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Originally Posted by Valence

WF has never been AoE in any of the pvp versions. Not having every ability of the skill roster being used in AoE is okay as long as the AoE patterns are interesting and fun. Battery needs an AoE spender quite hard though.

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https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/machinist/#pvp
"Covers target's body in a slow-burning pitch. Deals damage to target and all enemies within 5 yalms when time expires."

The effect might not be that noticeable, but unless the tooltip is lying, it's there. I don't see how adding an AoE battery ability is any better than just making Wildfire an AoE, like they've already done. As for having an "interesting and fun" AoE skillset, MCH probably isn't the best example considering all the prerequisites Flamethrower and Bioblaster have before they're a damage gain.

[QUOTE=Mikey_R;6252197]I don't think I quite understand where you are going with this, Ladonsbite has a 35% chance to proc Shadowbite, the same as burst Arrow/Iron Jaws/Causticbite/Stormbite procing Refulgent Arrow. The only difference is Barrage doesn't proc Shadowbite

I just wanted it to be more consistent, a combo would be an easy way to do it. I also realize that a good amount of Bard players like the proc system, so another suggestion I made in the replies was to have the proc rates adjust with the number of DoTs up. Valence also expanded upon it as well

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Originally Posted by primarisgoazrr

I just wanted it to be more consistent, a combo would be an easy way to do it. I also realize that a good amount of Bard players like the proc system, so another suggestion I made in the replies was to have the proc rates adjust with the number of DoTs up. Valence also expanded upon it as well

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Bard used to have procs more intertwined with the dot system, in shadowrbringers for example -

https://web.archive.org/web/20210514...ki/Bard#Traits

Personally I would like to see bard head back in that direction because losing the connection between the dots and procs has made endwalker bard significantly less fun to me.

For DNC, my hope is for them to add some way to give me procs more frequently or give use more procs like for Fan Dance IV and Starfall Dance. (ﾉ´ヮ´)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧
When you get little-to-no procs, DNCs gameplay can be a little dull.

Having another dance to do when you don't have to refresh Standard Step could be cool. Either a big damage dance like Mincing Minuet, a debuffing dance, or maybe a dance that increases the likelihood of getting procs might work.
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Originally Posted by fulminating

Bard used to have procs more intertwined with the dot system, in shadowrbringers for example -

https://web.archive.org/web/20210514...ki/Bard#Traits

Personally I would like to see bard head back in that direction because losing the connection between the dots and procs has made endwalker bard significantly less fun to me.

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I agree for sure, I think all ShB bard really just needed was a spreader. The EW DoTs just feel like empty dps, let’s hope they change it

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

For DNC, my hope is for them to add some way to give me procs more frequently or give use more procs like for Fan Dance IV and Starfall Dance. (ﾉ´ヮ´)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧
When you get little-to-no procs, DNCs gameplay can be a little dull.

Having another dance to do when you don't have to refresh Standard Step could be cool. Either a big damage dance like Mincing Minuet, a debuffing dance, or maybe a dance that increases the likelihood of getting procs might work.
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I’m not too sure about Starfall Dance as that’s your burst tool. Maybe they could add a system that upon using a certain number of Fan Dance III(maybe 2 to 4?), you could then use Fan Dance IV.

I could definitely get behind increasing the proc rates. They could make it an additional 10% while under Standard Step and increase it to 15% while under Technical Step

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Originally Posted by VictorSpoils

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/machinist/#pvp
"Covers target's body in a slow-burning pitch. Deals damage to target and all enemies within 5 yalms when time expires."

The effect might not be that noticeable, but unless the tooltip is lying, it's there. I don't see how adding an AoE battery ability is any better than just making Wildfire an AoE, like they've already done. As for having an "interesting and fun" AoE skillset, MCH probably isn't the best example considering all the prerequisites Flamethrower and Bioblaster have before they're a damage gain.

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I stand corrected huh, that's a change from the recent patch right? The irony is that I'm a pretty active crystal player in pvp that actually mains mch, so shame on me... But it's also possible I haven't played pvp since that patch... Or i just didn't notice how inconsequential this was, although I'll still take it for sure.

*grovels*

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Originally Posted by primarisgoazrr

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

I don't think I quite understand where you are going with this, Ladonsbite has a 35% chance to proc Shadowbite, the same as burst Arrow/Iron Jaws/Causticbite/Stormbite procing Refulgent Arrow. The only difference is Barrage doesn't proc Shadowbite

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I just wanted it to be more consistent, a combo would be an easy way to do it. I also realize that a good amount of Bard players like the proc system, so another suggestion I made in the replies was to have the proc rates adjust with the number of DoTs up. Valence also expanded upon it as well

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My main problem with barrage not proccing shadowbite is that unlike in the previous iterations of Bard where barrage didn't proc RA automatically either, you still had a substitute with Empyreal Arrow and whatnot. I liked the rng of this even though I can also feel it was frustrating when not just getting your proc (especially with so low proc rates), but the current issue with Shadowbite not being automatically proced from Barrage is that the Barrage buff gets completely wasted because there is NO AoE substitute as far as I know. It doesn't proc on Ladon/QuickNock, which means you have to actually wait to get a proc, and if you don't, then you just sit on your barrage because you can't use it. It makes it go completely go out of buffs very fast and that's just... not a great design.

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Originally Posted by primarisgoazrr

I’m not too sure about Starfall Dance as that’s your burst tool. Maybe they could add a system that upon using a certain number of Fan Dance III(maybe 2 to 4?), you could then use Fan Dance IV.

I could definitely get behind increasing the proc rates. They could make it an additional 10% while under Standard Step and increase it to 15% while under Technical Step

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The main problem I could see happening especially in full parties in raids under heavy raid buffs, is that currently it almost procs TOO much. Not the procs in themselves, they're fine, but you have a lot of bursts with DNC during Technical and Devilment where half your burst is just spamming Sabre Dance not to overcap the gauge. I generally don't have a problem with the proc rate under burst because most of the time I can barely spend them all already, and when I can, it just feels fine. It's extremely rare that I'm out of procs before the end of the burst...

I think they also somewhat made it more bearable with the basic combo you get that nets you a 100% rate on the second step of it, which really is already something else than just spamming 1 all the time like bard under Army's with not much else to do besides the occasional Empyrean Arrow...

I mean, just bring back ammo MCH yoshi, I beg of you. Why you gave it to RDM I have no idea, and why you removed it from MCH, I have even less a clue.

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Originally Posted by primarisgoazrr

I’m not too sure about Starfall Dance as that’s your burst tool. Maybe they could add a system that upon using a certain number of Fan Dance III(maybe 2 to 4?), you could then use Fan Dance IV.

I could definitely get behind increasing the proc rates. They could make it an additional 10% while under Standard Step and increase it to 15% while under Technical Step

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What about a dance that gives you a feather for doing all the steps?
It could be a two step like Standard Step, doing one step does damage while doing two does a little more damage and grants a feather. Give it a 30 second cooldown, have it go on cooldown when you use Standard Step, and make it so you can't use it outside of battle (so the party doesn't have to wait for the DNC to spam it to get all their feathers). It could even be called Feather Step, which is a type of foxtrot dance step and has been in a past Final Fantasy game. (*´∀｀*)

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

What about a dance that gives you a feather for doing all the steps?
It could be a two step like Standard Step, doing one step does damage while doing two does a little more damage and grants a feather. Give it a 30 second cooldown, have it go on cooldown when you use Standard Step, and make it so you can't use it outside of battle (so the party doesn't have to wait for the DNC to spam it to get all their feathers). It could even be called Feather Step, which is a type of foxtrot dance step and has been in a past Final Fantasy game. (*´∀｀*)

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Also, to add to my DNC Hope list: I want Closed Position to be just a one-button press to change partners, none of this turn-off, turn back on stuff.

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Originally Posted by Valence

The main problem I could see happening especially in full parties in raids under heavy raid buffs, is that currently it almost procs TOO much. Not the procs in themselves, they're fine, but you have a lot of bursts with DNC during Technical and Devilment where half your burst is just spamming Sabre Dance not to overcap the gauge. I generally don't have a problem with the proc rate under burst because most of the time I can barely spend them all already, and when I can, it just feels fine. It's extremely rare that I'm out of procs before the end of the burst...

I think they also somewhat made it more bearable with the basic combo you get that nets you a 100% rate on the second step of it, which really is already something else than just spamming 1 all the time like bard under Army's with not much else to do besides the occasional Empyrean Arrow...

I mean, just bring back ammo MCH yoshi, I beg of you. Why you gave it to RDM I have no idea, and why you removed it from MCH, I have even less a clue.

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Yeah I can see your point, I’ve definitely had that happen to me a few times. It’s really strange honestly most of the kit talks about giving us more esprit, but only in your standard combo finishers it talks about feather procs. When you burst you get a bunch of feathers out of nowhere and then when you finish it’s back to no-feather dry gameplay. I think that’s what most of us want addressed.

As for old MCH I can’t really speak on that, I started in SB and when I picked up MCH they changed it like 1 month later

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Also, to add to my DNC Hope list: I want Closed Position to be just a one-button press to change partners, none of this turn-off, turn back on stuff.

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If its main purpose is to give a feather, then I could honestly see it being a one-step dance. I think that’d be nice during downtime for sure, and changing your partner on the fly would definitely be a nice QoL

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Originally Posted by primarisgoazrr

Yeah I can see your point, I’ve definitely had that happen to me a few times. It’s really strange honestly most of the kit talks about giving us more esprit, but only in your standard combo finishers it talks about feather procs. When you burst you get a bunch of feathers out of nowhere and then when you finish it’s back to no-feather dry gameplay. I think that’s what most of us want addressed.

As for old MCH I can’t really speak on that, I started in SB and when I picked up MCH they changed it like 1 month later

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Yes feathers are a more valuable resource in rarity (not potency) than esprit. I don't mind it that much because it allows some skill play at spooling them a bit for bursts (getting into the 2min bursts with 2 or 3 feathers feels good actually, and turns the burst into random 'play piano' which is literally what made me main rPhys in HW/SB). But I wouldn't be against specific additional gains like Fan Dance 3 on a trait that upgrades standard step to grant a Threefold proc when you get all the steps correctly. Or Fan Dance 4 with some RNG from Fan Dance 3, which would add a bit more feather proc and ogcd play during downtime.

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Originally Posted by primarisgoazrr

- Auto Crossbow added effect “reduce recast timer of both Gauss Round and Ricohet”

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Making it the effectively same as the other one. While simple and effective, it is a bit lazy though.

I would focus here a bit more on the AoE aspect by for example enabling a combo aspect: Upon usage, gain a stack (max 10, and 30s - plenty of time to cap it if needed), the next split shot deals 25 extra potency for each stack. Adds just that little bit of extra dps in aoe form, but still keeps it useless for single target.

Or as alternative: Upon using auto crossbow, gain a stack, and for each 2 stacks collected, you get an upgraded split shot (a free ogcd shot). Which then can even be upgraded further: this split shot adds x to 1 of the gauges, can get more potency.

A bit more variety is better.

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Originally Posted by UkcsAlias

Making it the effectively same as the other one. While simple and effective, it is a bit lazy though.

I would focus here a bit more on the AoE aspect by for example enabling a combo aspect: Upon usage, gain a stack (max 10, and 30s - plenty of time to cap it if needed), the next split shot deals 25 extra potency for each stack. Adds just that little bit of extra dps in aoe form, but still keeps it useless for single target.

Or as alternative: Upon using auto crossbow, gain a stack, and for each 2 stacks collected, you get an upgraded split shot (a free ogcd shot). Which then can even be upgraded further: this split shot adds x to 1 of the gauges, can get more potency.

A bit more variety is better.

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So what you’re saying is Auto-Crossbow will give these damage stacks and these stacks will increase the damage of Scattergun? if I understand that right it could be cool, but if this system is only for AOE then 10 stacks seems like a lot, although I could see the use if you have enough Heat Gauge to use Auto-Crossbow back to back.

As for your alternative idea I think I like it a bit better, making Scattergun a free oGCD between Auto-Crossbow does sound fun, and you have to worry about saving Ricochet too much. Maybe as an upgrade you can get more battery gauge or shorten the cooldown of Air Anchor or Chainsaw

And please.. There is absolutely no reason in 2020+3 that Windfire cannot crit, direct hit, or critically direct hit.

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Originally Posted by Valence

the ranged tax.

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The Ranged Tax should exist due to Physical ranged having the ability to both DPS on the move and at a significantly longer range.

Whether Physical ranged are taxed too hard is another question..


I also think that boss hitboxes need to be shrinked significantly and make melee actually have to play well for uptime and not get it handed to them on a silver platter.



Unrelated to the Ranged Tax, I feel like Red Mage is taxed way too hard in terms of it's damage due to having Verraise and Vercure.


I wouldn't mind Vercure having a cooldown like Curing Waltz and Verraise being yoinked completely in exchange for some real damage buffs.

We will look to remove range tax "buffs Casters (accept RDM, these guys need one)" and think that none of the phys range peeps Noticed that they lied.

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Originally Posted by NightHour

The Ranged Tax should exist due to Physical ranged having the ability to both DPS on the move and at a significantly longer range.

Whether Physical ranged are taxed too hard is another question..


I also think that boss hitboxes need to be shrinked significantly and make melee actually have to play well for uptime and not get it handed to them on a silver platter.



Unrelated to the Ranged Tax, I feel like Red Mage is taxed way too hard in terms of it's damage due to having Verraise and Vercure.


I wouldn't mind Vercure having a cooldown like Curing Waltz and Verraise being yoinked completely in exchange for some real damage buffs.

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No it should not. That argument is nonsensical. As long as this tax will exist the only reason we'll be taken in parties is for the 1% party bonus in the current ShB/EW meta.

Add a special mechanic or something to rphys if it makes all of you shut up for good about it, I don't care. But it is an abomination.

MCH
For me, MCH should lean more into the engineering side.

My hopes are that MCH summons a mech to jump inside of, kind of like D.va From Overwatch that changes their combo/Ricochet/Gauss Barrel into mecha like attacks.

Basically instead of a robot that is basically a dot, you can fight as a mech ala Reaper's avatar state.

BRD
I want BRD to be more musically. Perhaps songs grant notes to power their archer-like attacks like Radiant's Finale. The songs do the same thing, but changing them to create notes for your oGCDs would encourage swapping songs often.


DNC
I honestly am unsure what DNC could get but I personally think that DNC should be the AoE monster that it was in ShB. Have a ST Saber Dance option.

And maybe an aura around you that pulses dmg everytime you hit a proc on your filler GCDs.

I'll add one thing that i'm surprised i haven't seen many people talk about. Why isn't Pitch Perfect AOE?
It should be, even if it has massive fall-off i really think Pitch Perfect should have been made AoE in at the very least Shadowbringers. But now with procs being so reduced (comparitively, especially in AoE for Mage's Ballad) it just feels very awkward using Wanderer's Minuet in AoE pulls because Pitch Perfect is still Single-Target after 6 years.

Though just other general thoughts, i want Bard to keep it's DoT procs and use them in more ways along what ShadowBringers did, while also having some better music themed skills for offense. Personally i'd also like some use of MP, but i feel that's very much so a thing that i'm pretty alone on.

As for Mch and Dnc. I can't really comment much on them as i haven't played them nearly as much as Brd,

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I'll add one thing that i'm surprised i haven't seen many people talk about. Why isn't Pitch Perfect AOE?
It should be, even if it has massive fall-off i really think Pitch Perfect should have been made AoE in at the very least Shadowbringers. But now with procs being so reduced (comparitively, especially in AoE for Mage's Ballad) it just feels very awkward using Wanderer's Minuet in AoE pulls because Pitch Perfect is still Single-Target after 6 years.

Though just other general thoughts, i want Bard to keep it's DoT procs and use them in more ways along what ShadowBringers did, while also having some better music themed skills for offense. Personally i'd also like some use of MP, but i feel that's very much so a thing that i'm pretty alone on.

As for Mch and Dnc. I can't really comment much on them as i haven't played them nearly as much as Brd,

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If we were to get an AOE Pitch Perfect, I rather it be a different move connected to Army Paeon, since it doesn’t have a move connected to it

Ranged tax should either go or be compensated by heavy support abilities.
This tax makes no sense when we got bosses with hitbox that takes half the arena and mechanics that allows 100% uptime.
It would make sense if Ranged had 3-4 party utility that helps with survivability/mobility.

If you lose more than 2-3 melee GCDs you're most likely trolling.

MCH needs the other half of the rework and to update its current flaws
Rework Flamethrower, this thing is an emote barely worth the potency. I'm aware it's technically a gain on 3+ targets but the gain is minimal and only when you aren't 1-2 scattergun away from hypercharge.

Could be anything, just a strong GCD similar to Drill/AA/CS, a finisher for Hypercharge, a tower you drop/attach to yourself/ally that automatically targets surroundings...
Just make something else of Flamethrower, it is equally fun as an emote.

Automaton Queen is lackluster, glorified dot, press and forget, has the intelligence of a rock and you're most likely to mistake it for another player. It's also terrible to summon it for 12s, it does 4 punch, cool finisher and just goes away.

I don't understand why we can't get anything similar to Bahamut/Phoenix.

Wildfire needs to auto crit/dh to exploit the stat, auto explode at the target's death and deal aoe damage. I feel like it should also cap at 3 attacks with the same timer, hitting the 6 hit isn't skillful or anything, but requiring Hypercharge to max it makes the rotation rigid, not harder.

Battery gauge should be dropped
Battery gauge is just an illusion of a 60s Cooldown, the problem is that this completely break when facing downtime. Automaton Queen could be on a 60s Cooldown, it would remain the exact same but without the current downsides.

This would also make possible for MCH to have a new, more interesting gauge.

Heatblast spam is fun at first but quickly gets boring
Reduces it to 3 with a finisher, make it accelerated your main combo to 1.5 instead, trigger all 1 2 3 without breaking combo (so you could do 3-2-3 again)...
Just update Hypercharge phase, it gets old very fast.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Automaton Queen is lackluster, glorified dot, press and forget, has the intelligence of a rock and you're most likely to mistake it for another player. It's also terrible to summon it for 12s, it does 4 punch, cool finisher and just goes away.

I don't understand why we can't get anything similar to Bahamut/Phoenix.

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It also doesn't help that it takes 6 seconds to start attacking. They could at least shave off a couple seconds of the summon animation.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Heatblast spam is fun at first but quickly gets boring
Reduces it to 3 with a finisher, make it accelerated your main combo to 1.5 instead, trigger all 1 2 3 without breaking combo (so you could do 3-2-3 again)...
Just update Hypercharge phase, it gets old very fast.

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This seems similar to how Rapid Fire worked. Maybe it too could come back.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Ranged tax should either go or be compensated by heavy support abilities.
This tax makes no sense when we got bosses with hitbox that takes half the arena and mechanics that allows 100% uptime.
It would make sense if Ranged had 3-4 party utility that helps with survivability/mobility.

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I agree but my real issue is that we already have 2 mitigation party wides (well 3 for DNC), and I actually appreciate that recent buff, but this just is unable to compete since it's literally drowning in the sea of other party mitigators, notably from healers and tanks, which the game didn't have or barely in HW and SB. On top of it, what truly made rphys invaluable and wanted was manasong, period. They have shifted away from those meta considerations and the only meta that matters those days is damage.

I honestly think our mitigation is only really, truly appreciable and harder to remove in ultimates, and even then... Apparently you can clear TOP without healers so... Not a hard walling metric anymore. I wouldnt say no to more, but then what about fight design? How many is enough or warranted?

I also agree on the rest, especially hypercharge that is just carpal tunnel material and not very interesting except when to trigger it with heat, but the very reason it allows 5 GCDs within is so that the 1.5s recast times 5 equals 7.5s, which is 3 standard GCD, so it doesn't break the loopium, else everything gets thrown into jank and it feels bad. They just need to stop making it another braindead Delirium, and allow heat blast to do something else, like a finisher or something, while HC offers an actual sequence of things to do. It could just be enabling heated shots, I dunno, but something meaningful to do and not just a brainless spamm of the same buttons.

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Originally Posted by primarisgoazrr

Dancer:
- Add DoT that uses the dance mechanic, call it Toxic Step and it could last 40 sec

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Only if plays Toxic as the background music and we do the Britney dance.

Honestly, I usually say 'nah' to dots, but at this rate I'd take anything to make the DNC playstyle more interesting outside of the 2min meta windows.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Only if plays Toxic as the background music and we do the Britney dance.

Honestly, I usually say 'nah' to dots, but at this rate I'd take anything to make the DNC playstyle more interesting outside of the 2min meta windows.

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Lol Yeah, just a little something else to do would be nice

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

For Machinist, I want them to keep following this document primarily in order to not only make it better but also give it a stronger sense of identity. They followed some things like making Hypercharge into stacks instead of a pure 8 second buff, and bringing Dismantle back, but there is plenty more they can do.
Otherwise just fixing up some role actions so we aren't stuck with mainly dead ones and fixing the limit break to be less of a pain to hit things with, would be helpful. I'll leave it to the Bard's and Dancer's to go more in depth for their side, but I come purely as a Machinist wanting a little slice of love that isn't just; "Hi, have 10 extra potency, bye".