Is there really any way for them to f*ck up the next job reveal?

I feel like we would get hyped for anything, unless they announce something like Green Mage. Actually, even then I don't think people would be too disappointed. The jobs may feel like the same in their playstyle, but they're really unique and well designed in visuals. When I look back, when I was a new player every job looked so fricking awesome I couldn't choose what I would play (fortunally I could play all of them). Well, I guess the last ones, Sage and Reaper, were a little of putting to me since they don't belong to previous Final Fantasy, but they're still really cool. I just wished Sage would be called "Medic" instead.

What about you? Is there any job you didn't like when it was announced? Is there any that you wouldn't like to be added to the game?

We're only going to get one job and it'll probably be a caster DPS and people will all be outraged. I also doubt we'll get any new races.

By default it's going to cause outrage even though it's clear at this point this game is trying to slowly water down expectations.

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Originally Posted by Vandso

I feel like we would get hyped for anything, unless they announce something like Green Mage. Actually, even then I don't think people would be too disappointed. The jobs may feel like the same in their playstyle, but they're really unique and well designed in visuals. When I look back, when I was a new player every job looked so fricking awesome I couldn't choose what I would play (fortunally I could play all of them). Well, I guess the last ones, Sage and Reaper, were a little of putting to me since they don't belong to previous Final Fantasy, but they're still really cool. I just wished Sage would be called "Medic" instead.

What about you? Is there any job you didn't like when it was announced? Is there any that you wouldn't like to be added to the game?

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Sage is literally a job in FFIII and in FF Tactics Advance and FFTA2. Although I guess FFXIV's version is entirely different from those games anyway

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Originally Posted by hunkygladiator

We're only going to get one job and it'll probably be a caster DPS and people will all be outraged. I also doubt we'll get any new races.

By default it's going to cause outrage even though it's clear at this point this game is trying to slowly water down expectations.

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Nah... It will be a new melee job that exclusively deals magic damage and uses a new INT based melee set.

Then you'll have that group of players crying "Why no new mage job?! Role is being ignored!"

Followed by SE going "We added a new ranged DPS job back in Shadowbringers"

And then said group of players: "But... but... Mage isn't ranged DPS"

TBH the comments made awhile back about them apparently not using jobs from previous FF games going forward raises some questions. However the primary thoughts are the following.

Does this mean we're going to see some entirely brand new jobs in the future that possibly come with new weapons we haven't seen in the franchise before?

And does this mean that jobs from non FF titles in SE's library that featured job systems are fair game?

unpopular opinion, but I dont want any new jobs.

fix what they have, solidify what they do, and if they insist on a new job for people like the OP.... stop stealing what few skills the job segment has! because every new job lessens the others in that group. new ranged magic user, well blm and smn will have things.. redistributed, lessening job identity. we have little enough job identity now, SE needs to stop catering and just firm up what they have, and put serious thought into new and unique job skills if they are going to insist on adding new jobs

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

unpopular opinion, but I dont want any new jobs.

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I stand with you here.
We have enough jobs. Its cool to ever expand and give cool new toys...but you knows whats better then a cool new toy? Upgrading and Improving the old ones.
We need balancing and improved systems. I hate to use other games, but in this current season of Apex Legends they Overhauled and did a complete change to the gameplay. FFXIV could use something like that.
Bring back or create Job Identities. Fix and Overhaul a couple jobs we all know NEED it (Drk and perhaps Ast and Scholar) and make encounters better.

TL/DR - We dont need a new job. We need Current Job Balance.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

unpopular opinion, but I dont want any new jobs.

fix what they have, solidify what they do, and if they insist on a new job for people like the OP.... stop stealing what few skills the job segment has! because every new job lessens the others in that group. new ranged magic user, well blm and smn will have things.. redistributed, lessening job identity. we have little enough job identity now, SE needs to stop catering and just firm up what they have, and put serious thought into new and unique job skills if they are going to insist on adding new jobs

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IMO at this point individual job identity is pretty much gone. It's now essentially just getting new aesthetics within roles. So SE... pass the sword-chucks please... >.> lol

Honestly I would love for them to focus on an entire combat overhaul to go along with the graphics overhaul in 7.0 where they make all current jobs interesting again before adding new ones.

They can then afterwards add a new class during post 7.0 patches as theyve done before with Rogue/Ninja and Blue Mage respectively

New jobs builds hype and brings in lots of new players. They won’t stop adding new jobs. Though, I can see them at some point only giving us only 1 new job each expansion instead of 2.

Whatever the next job is, it will use scouting gear.

The only way the really screw it up is by being unoriginal and go down the 'builder spender' route they do with every other job.
Get creative. Make a good job.

New job bad.
Diversify old jobs good.

So far, many hints point to Geomancer, even while Scouting is obviously the armor class most deserving (there are only 5 melee, opposite 6 ranged, and Scouting is the only armor class with only a single job).

Ultimately, though, there are enough people who are happy to reduce all 3 melee roles into 1 even while treating the 2 ranged roles as entirely separate and with short enough memories that we could likely see whatever added, short of a healer, and people would be fine with it.

How to really mess up the job reveal, regardless, though? Don't sufficiently hide that it's the same template as every other job in its role, merely reskinned.

I'd like a focus on improving current jobs like everyone else says, but I don't see them not adding atleast one job because of how much interest new jobs garner.

Since we're expecting such a visual overhaul in 7.0, there is an increased chance of them also focusing on tweaking the battle system, but I don't expect it. We'll probably not know much more job-wise until the Fan Fests begin.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Sage is literally a job in FFIII and in FF Tactics Advance and FFTA2. Although I guess FFXIV's version is entirely different from those games anyway

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It's not. It's just the name that it's the same. They don't even play similarly.

Ah people asking for more diversity- here is my answer to OP then lol: "to increase job diversity we made half of the jobs limited". ;)

Personally would like to see some new jobs anyways, and wish best of luck to the nightmare circus that is balance when you have it bound to meta-centric content (imbalances are not as important for msq but ha ha ha if you're talking about savage and ultimate like content).

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Ah people asking for more diversity- here is my answer to OP then lol: "to increase job diversity we made half of the jobs limited". ;)

Personally would like to see some new jobs anyways, and wish best of luck to the nightmare circus that is balance when you have it bound to meta-centric content (imbalances are not as important for msq but ha ha ha if you're talking about savage and ultimate like content).

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They should honestly stop caring about balance that much (SB balance was more or less fine), anyone who is raiding week 1 or Ultimate should have the capacity to flex multiple jobs.

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Originally Posted by TheGrimace

Since we're expecting such a visual overhaul in 7.0, there is an increased chance of them also focusing on tweaking the battle system, but I don't expect it. We'll probably not know much more job-wise until the Fan Fests begin.

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I'm not sure what gives anyone this impression based on an announcement of the graphics overhaul. This is false hope, as it is crazy to think that such massive reworks to the game's infrastructure would take place simultaneously. C'mon guys. Get real. Yoshi expressed more of a concern about where to go after the level cap reaching 100. There would also be no reason to announce the reworks to AST and DRG coming with 7.0, as such a change would affect all existing jobs in the game. The devs would also have to acknowledge that there are huge issues with the current design of PvE, I think everyone here knows exactly where they stand in regards to this. Sorry to dash everyone's hopes of this, but at this stage in the game the best you can hope for is 8.0.

As for the topic at hand. I personally have never been disappointed during any job reveals. I tend to set my expectations to zero, and just see what they've come up with. I am hoping for a job that uses a whip, and don't really care if it is ranged or melee. I've made my predictions on the next job being a melee using scouting gear in another thread a little ways back and gave my reasonings behind why I feel that way. I have no desire to revisit that topic right now.

I think the only way they can screw up the next job reveal, is by not having one at all. Even though we have plenty of jobs currently, I don't think we are at a point where they can't introduce at least one new job come 7.0. If the time comes that they do decide to rework the entirety of PvE, I feel it would be a really good idea to let the playerbase know as early as possible, and also mention that there will be no new jobs for X.X expansion because they have decided to make this move.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Honestly I would love for them to focus on an entire combat overhaul to go along with the graphics overhaul in 7.0 where they make all current jobs interesting again before adding new ones.

They can then afterwards add a new class during post 7.0 patches as theyve done before with Rogue/Ninja and Blue Mage respectively

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I played Star Wars Galaxies before the Combat Upgrade and New Game Experience, so I am hesitant to want anything even remotely labelled a "combat overhaul". yeah, different companies and all that, but I would rather they fix what we have. put more effort into that and less in to new shiney jobs.

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Originally Posted by Vandso

It's not. It's just the name that it's the same. They don't even play similarly.

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Sage in the Tactics Advance games did not know any traditional White Magic at all except for one. Raise for TA, Esunaga for TA2. Other than that their spell lists were just Blind, Water, Aero, Gigaflare, Bio, Ultima Blow, with Drain for TA and Scathe for TA2. Doesn't sound like the traditional FF3/FF4 Sage either. Which may have fueled their desire to do something unique for FF14 since half of the games didn't share the same setup for Sage, meaning there was no real consensus on how Sage was supposed to be.

Puppetmaster/mascot or Corsair are the ones I want both really fit into scouting catagorys which we only have one of



and for the love of Lucifer, make warrior a true berserk that its entire rotation goes around maitening beserk or atleast add in a REAL BERSERKER AND THEIF


honestly every job needs to be remade outside summoner to fit the definations of WHAT THAT JOB IS.. i mean non of them include blackmage plays like the other games including ff11 which is online. none of them really play that great for what they are...

I mean Ninja in past games wasnt a basic naruto weeb job. It used scrolls and throwing weapons to preform abilitys wasnt basicly a magic mele job lol

Seriosely I think they need to replay older ffs and redesign 95% of the jobs to fit what they are

I still want to be missing a scouting job, no? Can we get like swashbuckler? We get a cutlass and a pistol. Sure, everyone is going to go all Jack Sparrow, but we already have Limsa for its theme. We can even use the old Rouge class hall. Why mot it could be fun?

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

I still want to be missing a scouting job, no? Can we get like swashbuckler? We get a cutlass and a pistol. Sure, everyone is going to go all Jack Sparrow, but we already have Limsa for its theme. We can even use the old Rouge class hall. Why mot it could be fun?

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I agree, a sword n' pistol job would be really cool. Maybe the return of Corsair?

Reaper was the most exciting reveal for me of all the jobs they've released and revealed.

Whilst I would probably be excited for any job, I would like to see them deviating from releasing new jobs, and just working on being more innovative and creative with the jobs they already have. Granted, I'm very 'casual' in my play in terms of not necessarily interacting with raids, and in many cases extreme primals.

There's just an unshakeable feeling when playing them, and leveling them, that every job just feels very... Similar to play, it doesn't feel overly satisfying going from one job to another, honestly.

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Originally Posted by hunkygladiator

We're only going to get one job and it'll probably be a caster DPS and people will all be outraged. I also doubt we'll get any new races.

By default it's going to cause outrage even though it's clear at this point this game is trying to slowly water down expectations.

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Nah, Casters by and large don't go on covers because they don't sell units. Same reason they'll never put a healer on the cover.

"How to mess up a Job reveal?"

Don't tell people what Role a Job is until super late, even knowing that lots of people think it will be a different Role. As a Healer main, I'm still salty about how they knew people thought DNC would be a new Healer Job, and instead of early on saying "It's going to be a DPS Job", they played it out, kind of stringing people along, until the reveal. DNC had the single worst Job reveal reaction in all of FFXIV's history, and I suspect that was the reason for it.

Be clear up front it's a new Tank/Healer/DPS and if DPS, what subrole.

All things considered, it will PROBABLY be a new Caster, since that makes the most sense. Over the years, it's been like this:

1.0: Game start: 2 Tanks (PLD/WAR - once Jobs patched in), 1 Healer (WHM), 2 Melee (DRK, MNK), 1 Ranged (BRD), 1 Caster (BLM)
2.0: Game restart - that said, we got a new Healer (SCH), Caster (SMN), and Melee (Rogue): 2T/2H/3M/1R/2C
[Note NIN was not added until 2.4, but by the end of ARR, this was the count, not counting Cross-Class non-Job builds.]
[Note here that Roles were considered only Tank, Healer, and DPS at this time, though you needed one of each DPS type for the +5% party damage bonus.]
3.0: New Tank (DRK), Healer (AST), Ranged (MCH): 3T/3H/3M/2R/2C
4.0: New Melee (SAM), Caster (RDM): 3T/3H/4M/2R/3C
[Note that BLU was added in 4.5 as a Caster, but has been a Limited Job its entire run, and so doesn't count in a more general sense - and can do all roles anyway.]
5.0: New Tank (GNB), Ranged (DNC): 4T/3H/4M/3R/3C
[Note here, BEFORE this, Melee, Ranged, and Caster were not considered distinct; they were explicitly made distinct, even in your Jobs page of your Character sheet, in 5.0.]
6.0: New Healer (SGE), Melee (RPR): 4T/4H/5M/3R/3C

The most in need of an addition are Ranged and Caster, and of those, Caster has gone the longest without an addition.

The most over-represented is Melee, meaning no new Melee need to be added. Also historically (not that that's ALWAYS a good guide), Melee have been added in every even numbered expansion; 2.4, 4.0, 6.0.

Given all this, the most logical additions would be Caster, then Ranged, then Tank, then Healer, then Caster, then Ranged, and at that point all would be even with 5 representatives.

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Of Caster, Green Mage (status afflictions; DoTs in FFXIV terms), Geomancer (as a Caster using nature elemental magics rather than a Healer; so if CNJ was a DPS Job, basically), or Time Mage (Green Mage, just with a bit more support and some Comet/Gravity magic; it and AST step a little too close to one another, though, but I guess GEO would with WHM or more CNJ/leveling WHMs...) are the most likely options.

Then again, they do curveballs from time to time. For all we know, they could add Runic Knight as a Tank or something. Just depends on where they want to go with the expansion and what story they want to tell.

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Reaper was the most exciting reveal for me of all the jobs they've released and revealed.

Whilst I would probably be excited for any job, I would like to see them deviating from releasing new jobs, and just working on being more innovative and creative with the jobs they already have. Granted, I'm very 'casual' in my play in terms of not necessarily interacting with raids, and in many cases extreme primals.

There's just an unshakeable feeling when playing them, and leveling them, that every job just feels very... Similar to play, it doesn't feel overly satisfying going from one job to another, honestly.

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I love the honesty here.

But you are correct in every way. Every single job in the game has been watered down to two concepts. Build Gauge; Spend Gauge.

I think Black Mage is honestly the only semi-unique job at this point with the way you have to weave in and out of Astral/Umbral to keep the flow going. But even then that just leads to building the polyglot gauge and spending it on Xenoglossy.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

So far, many hints point to Geomancer, even while Scouting is obviously the armor class most deserving (there are only 5 melee, opposite 6 ranged, and Scouting is the only armor class with only a single job).

Ultimately, though, there are enough people who are happy to reduce all 3 melee roles into 1 even while treating the 2 ranged roles as entirely separate and with short enough memories that we could likely see whatever added, short of a healer, and people would be fine with it.

How to really mess up the job reveal, regardless, though? Don't sufficiently hide that it's the same template as every other job in its role, merely reskinned.

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I’d like to know what hints are you speaking about with Geomancer. Not because I don’t want it but just like to hear other peoples reasoning.

Mostly in their mention through the StB AST quest lines, Gosetsu becoming a staff-wielding ascetic (whose staff is that of the GEO mythos).

It might instead hint at something more like Oracle or Onmyoji, but so far the only name those themes have taken on in-game is Geomancer.

They will always add a new job every expansion. A new job is the expectation with expansions and a big selling point to get people to resub, return, or anything else. It's marketing. Job balance or not, they would never not release a new job. It would be a huge buzz kill bummer to the entire world and be a bad way to advertise the expansion. Even people who don't play this game are interested in hearing about the new jobs. Some might even give the game a chance if a job entices them enough. If they ever didn't release a new job, it would be a huge mistake and every media source ever would blast them over it.

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Originally Posted by Remish

They will always add a new job every expansion. A new job is the expectation with expansions and a big selling point to get people to resub, return, or anything else. It's marketing. Job balance or not, they would never not release a new job. It would be a huge buzz kill bummer to the entire world and be a bad way to advertise the expansion. Even people who don't play this game are interested in hearing about the new jobs. Some might even give the game a chance if a job entices them enough. If they ever didn't release a new job, it would be a huge mistake and every media source ever would blast them over it.

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Honestly, if they said No New Job this time...it would bum people out that were hoping for and discussing what would make sense and be a cool addition....
But then in that Slideshow they fade in - Job Balance and Gameplay Overhaul....Im sure that would Buzz louder then a swarm of Locust. I feel it would have the same effect of selling units, and even inspire people who left, and doubted the games Future to come back and at least check it out.

They already can't balance the jobs we have.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

They already can't balance the jobs we have.

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Thats why we "Overhaul"
Pipedream, but the point is, I think that would spark as much excitement, maybe MORE excitement, then just adding another Job.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

They already can't balance the jobs we have.

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Pretty sure the "job balance" meetings go like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfvR4hl-Gzw

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I also doubt we'll get any new races.

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As has been said, there wont be any new races after Fem Hrothgar come out. Has been stated more than a few times.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Thats why we "Overhaul"
Pipedream, but the point is, I think that would spark as much excitement, maybe MORE excitement, then just adding another Job.

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Devs: "We fixed our largely non-mechanics or those that had degraded to thoughtless chores to make them actual and decently engaging mechanics now. Materia, for example. And Mana. That has, both intentionally and inadvertently, made job kits far more cohesive and capable of nuance."

Those in the know: !!!

Those not in the know: ???

Sadly, the second group may well be too large for that to be any sort of compelling headline.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Honestly, if they said No New Job this time...it would bum people out that were hoping for and discussing what would make sense and be a cool addition....
But then in that Slideshow they fade in - Job Balance and Gameplay Overhaul....Im sure that would Buzz louder then a swarm of Locust. I feel it would have the same effect of selling units, and even inspire people who left, and doubted the games Future to come back and at least check it out.

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It's a tough one to decide. Saying there are no new jobs also works in tandem if the decision were no new skills for any job cause balance. The job balance is usually decided around the new skills and new jobs otherwise they'd have no real incentive to change what they have going on right now.

Also we kind of need new jobs cause look at all the people who complain about the lack of content right now on these forums. Excluding jobs from an expansion would only fuel that fire further.

not adding any new job would piss more people off then anything else
probably be the second coming of this forum exploding like when they didn't add male viera or those who got mad DNC wasn't a healer

I'm honestly more disappointed knowing they will inevitably add another job to the game because it's a selling point rather than actually working on the jobs we already have.

Since I joined after DRK got announced, I'm gonna have to say Reaper has been by far my favorite job reveal

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

unpopular opinion, but I dont want any new jobs.

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Funny enough, this may not be as an unpopular opinion as it once was. Obviously in the more casual circles it will be but even then people are getting increasingly frustrated with current job designs and balance. The former is noticeably with healers, who even casual players complain are boring. Balancing this expansion has been the worst we've seen since Heavensward with several jobs actually getting locked out entirely for being completely outclassed. I can appreciate some hiccups at expansion launch but there is no excuse for the state Red Mage, Machinist, Warrior and Paladin have been in throughout the Endwalker. Nevermind jobs whose design have been woefully criticised for a long while now: Bard, Healers, Dark Knight (for being way too strong at everything).

I'd rather they audience instead of new jobs they want to give the current nineteen some much needed TLC, especially with at least two getting full reworks.

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Originally Posted by Zairava

I'm honestly more disappointed knowing they will inevitably add another job to the game because it's a selling point rather than actually working on the jobs we already have.

Since I joined after DRK got announced, I'm gonna have to say Reaper has been by far my favorite job reveal

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It's a double edge sword. They work on job balance to accommodate the new jobs. If there were no new jobs, then that would leave us with the question "Do we get any new skills?". Which also impacts balance. If we didn't get either of those, then they wouldn't change job balance at all because they'd think what we have going now is fine. It's a necessary evil to have new jobs and skills or they'd not have any incentive to change the formula of things.