Summoner or Dragoon

Hi y’all,
I’m returning to Ff14 but I want to start over to just sit back and relax/enjoy my self with this game but I’m still having trouble and need y’all’s advice. Before we start I know it is a choice I need to make but I’m having a hard time choosing between Summoner or Dragoon and I need some advice on how to make a logic choice. I don’t know if this matters but I’m play a goth Viera if it matters.

So Summoner, I love summoning big things to help me fight. I’m a maelstrom fan and a pirate/ninja fan. And believe it or not I used to have a in wow a demonolgist character who summoned a lot of spells and minions. And I do get a healer attach to summoner.

Dragoon are awesome to I’m a big fan of dragons. I love the armor set and design. I love the cool animations and colors. And yes I’m a fan of a certain character who starts with a e.

The other classes I want to unlock later are dark knight, reaper, dancer, samurai, ninja, and machinist.

What should I do any advice?

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Originally Posted by Swampking

Hi y’all,
I’m returning to Ff14 but I want to start over to just sit back and relax/enjoy my self with this game but I’m still having trouble and need y’all’s advice. Before we start I know it is a choice I need to make but I’m having a hard time choosing between Summoner or Dragoon and I need some advice on how to make a logic choice. I don’t know if this matters but I’m play a goth Viera if it matters.

So Summoner, I love summoning big things to help me fight. I’m a maelstrom fan and a pirate/ninja fan. And believe it or not I used to have a in wow a demonolgist character who summoned a lot of spells and minions. And I do get a healer attach to summoner.

Dragoon are awesome to I’m a big fan of dragons. I love the armor set and design. I love the cool animations and colors. And yes I’m a fan of a certain character who starts with a e.

The other classes I want to unlock later are dark knight, reaper, dancer, samurai, ninja, and machinist.

What should I do any advice?

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Really no advice to give honestly, summoner is classified as easier job and dragoon I hear it's pretty slow until you get into higher levels. Basically the best thing to say for you is try any job you want or them all. I have a friend that is slowly leveling every job at the same time almost she has a 40 summoner 40 dragoon 40 monk and 40 bard trying to see what she enjoys the best.

They really arent very comparable, since one is a melee and the other is a mage, but here are some tips:

Dragoon: melee, use positionals, have lot of gapclosers, have flashy jump attacks that are nice to see, early levels is sort of clunky but late levels is worth it

Summoner: ranged, cast spells, one of the only 2 dps that have resurrection (this is BIG), flashy animations with the eikon attacks, straightforward rotation

So in the end and considering the other classes you want play are dark knight, reaper, dancer, samurai, ninja, and machinist, I could suggest summoner since you lack a ranged magic dps while dragoon and reaper sort of fill the same role. But the decision is up to you.

I have both, but I have the most fun on the dragoon. Also a huge fan of that specific npc ;). Summoner gets boring after a time, at least for me it did. Hence why it's parked. Maybe I'll pick it back up, but for now, the dragoon gets all my attention...as soon as I have more time to play.

Really comes down to simple decisions.

Do you want ranged or melee?

Do you want super easy, or do you want one of the busiest openers in the game?

Personally, If you're not bothered by how simple summoner is then I'd suggest playing that to start out and trying other jobs down the road since you can level everything on one character.

Do you want to get bored out of your mind long before your job reaches lv80+? Then go Summoner.

go RDM, it has a pirate sword, idk

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Originally Posted by Remolia

go RDM, it has a pirate sword, idk

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Personally, I like to cosplay as Red Zorro with the Legionary Visor. Makes up for the inability to wear RDM's iconic hats.

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Originally Posted by Swampking

What should I do any advice?

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I’m a maelstrom fan

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Neither.

You are a WARRIOR!

:)

You get the shrimpy chicken nuggets to summon and not the full big summons until level 90 outside of Bahamut/Phoenix, so personally I'd recommend Dragoon as it fulfills the job fantasy much better before level 90.

Both play pretty much opposite to eachother.

Dragoon:
• Being a melee job, it feels more involved in fights, especially because of positionals.
• You’ll need to mind the multitude of jump abilities you perform. They briefly and dangerously lock you in place.
• During their burst phases, they are very busy with a bloated number of abilities to be used in a short amount of time.
• Besides for Battle Litany, you can ignore your teammates completely.

Summoner:
• Simple to a fault, it arguably gives the most laid back experience out of all jobs in the game.
• Because it has next to no hard-cast spells, you feel as free as a bird on the battlefield.
• Their burst phases are pretty lax with buttons to press.
• If you like to feel helpful to your group, they have access to Resurrection and that one Phoenix ability.

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Originally Posted by Petite

Both play pretty much opposite to eachother.

Dragoon:
• Besides for Battle Litany, you can ignore your teammates completely.

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Not entirely true, apart from Dragon Sight

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Dragon_Sight

Edit: The only jump that will actually lock you in place is Stardiver. Geirskogul and Nastrond you can adjust your placing in mid air. Same goes for the aoe, most of them you can adjust your landing mid air.

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Originally Posted by Antharaes

Not entirely true, apart from Dragon Sight

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Dragon_Sight

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Big whoop.

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Originally Posted by Petite

Big whoop.

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You came up with that response all by yourself ?? Bravo...https://i.imgur.com/T4rYutM.gif

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Originally Posted by Antharaes

You came up with that response all by yourself ?? Bravo...https://i.imgur.com/T4rYutM.gif

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I was simply offering quick insight to OP. But you, Mr./Mrs. Pedantic, felt like correcting me on such an insignificant part of my post that I feel no other reply so perfectly encapsulated my feelings towards your waste-of-internet-data input; Big whoop.

I forgot to mention, OP. Be wary of dragoon. They call it a floor tank for a reason.

I've dived into so many AOEs...

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Originally Posted by Petite

I was simply offering quick insight to OP. But you, Mr./Mrs. Pedantic, felt like correcting me on such an insignificant part of my post that I feel no other reply so perfectly encapsulated my feelings towards your waste-of-internet-data input; Big whoop.

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And I corrected what was wrong in your post. If you are giving out information, then at least get your facts straight.

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I was simply offering quick insight to OP. But you, Mr./Mrs. Pedantic, felt like correcting me on such an insignificant part of my post that I feel no other reply so perfectly encapsulated my feelings towards your waste-of-internet-data input; Big whoop.

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It's not really pedantry since Dragonsight should always be used on a teammate unless they're all dead, thus you cannot ignore your teammates aside from Battle Litany.

It's actually really common for DRGs to ignore that part of Dragonsight ever since they allowed it to be used without targeting a partner.

Anyway, pedantry would be what I'm about to say with regards to SMN.

Even though it only has 4 hard cast spells, two of those casts are 3 second casts/recasts which lock the SMN in place for a bit longer than usual. They are tied to the same phase as its melee dash. This phase is actually somewhat restrictive for SMN and breaks its ranged contract. (Though the fiery book thwop of justice is hella cool imo)

I’m sorry if I offended or confused you all but I don’t generally know what to do?

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Originally Posted by Swampking

I’m sorry if I offended or confused you all but I don’t generally know what to do?

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It kinda narrows down to how you like to play, if you like the more melee feel then dragoon would be up your ally, or if you liked more ranged attacks then summoner would be more your style. Both classes are really good in my opinion.
I'm a dragoon main but I have level'd both classes from lvl 1 and I honestly feel like dragoon was more fun to level than summoner, because summoner has a lot of tiny summons along with kind of boring attacks (from what I remember anyway, this is just my opinion though and of course it's different for everyone.) On the path of straightforwardness, I feel like in the beginning dragoon was more simple than summoner but as the levels got higher I felt like summoner got a lot more simple, because at the moment it kind of has a simple easy rotation. Dragoon has the same too, but summoners is extremely straightforward.

If you want my unbiased opinion I'd say go for dragoon, maybe the levels in the beginning are a bit boring and slow but dragoon definitely does give you that battle feel. Along with you can jump around a lot, and dodge aoe's or attacks easier.
Also I don't think you made anyone confused or offended, don't worry! ♥

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Originally Posted by Swampking

I’m sorry if I offended or confused you all but I don’t generally know what to do?

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Hmm...be a dragoon, then! The damage output is pretty good. Plus, from an aesthetic standpoint, the whole dragon theme that dragoon has pairs up well with Gothic fashion.

Then again, Summoner has Bahamut...

My friend told me to try warrior so can I level quickly and get leveling other class quickly

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My friend told me to try warrior so can I level quickly and get leveling other class quickly

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Well, as a WAR main, far be it from me to deny a new recruit to join our ranks.

Embrace your rage and become one with the Unga Bunga!

I do love veria but I’m thinking of play a buff Roe female with gothic looks.

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It's not really pedantry since Dragonsight should always be used on a teammate unless they're all dead, thus you cannot ignore your teammates aside from Battle Litany.

It's actually really common for DRGs to ignore that part of Dragonsight ever since they allowed it to be used without targeting a partner.

Anyway, pedantry would be what I'm about to say with regards to SMN.

Even though it only has 4 hard cast spells, two of those casts are 3 second casts/recasts which lock the SMN in place for a bit longer than usual. They are tied to the same phase as its melee dash. This phase is actually somewhat restrictive for SMN and breaks its ranged contract. (Though the fiery book thwop of justice is hella cool imo)

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I just felt like DS went without saying, hence why I only spoke about BL which requires you to think about where your teammates are to maximize its effect. I wasn't saying they could forgo DS at all.

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Originally Posted by Petite

Dragoon:

• Besides for Battle Litany, you can ignore your teammates completely.

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I just felt like DS went without saying, hence why I only spoke about BL which requires you to think about where your teammates are to maximize its effect. I wasn't saying they could forgo DS at all.

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Of course.....:rolleyes:

Try them both and see which you like better.

Purpose of Dragoon: Careful of your surroundings and not backflip yeeting yourself off the edge! XD
Dragoon is pretty fun for me at least lol i started out that class when i first started cus i was a fan of Kain Highwind :D