Biggs and Wedge in XIV, just a thought

So I've been thinking about some recurring characters that appear in various Final Fantasy games, and Biggs and Wedge came to mind. We haven't seen Biggs and Wedge since... what ? Final Fantasy X I think ? They've never been any real important characters, often getting killed off or simply making cameo appearances. Final Fantasy VIII is the only one I can recall where they had slightly bigger roles. But I think Final Fantasy XIV can use a Biggs and Wedge in there somewhere. Perhaps as a pair of Garlean Soldiers who don't make really good soldiers ? Or maybe some special shop owner or something ? Lol, just seems like if we can get Cid in every Final Fantasy, why not Biggs and Wedge, yeah ?

I think the problem is that SE lost the rights to use Biggs and Wedge in their games (or they got sued, not sure which), which is why we saw Wiggs and Bedge in one game recently. Granted, that could be wrong, but that is my understanding.

i think i remember them in 12, lazyass guards in some deserty area i think.. hard to remember. Had to do sonething to get past them.

Hmm, I've not heard of that situation. I know that recently, they added Biggs and Wedge in Final Fantasy IV: The After Years.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/B...al_Fantasy_IV)

Figured since that was a recent game, and they appear there, that it would be a possibility for XIV ?

i think i remember them in 12, lazyass guards in some deserty area i think.. hard to remember. Had to do sonething to get past them.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Madrox

i think i remember them in 12, lazyass guards in some deserty area i think.. hard to remember. Had to do sonething to get past them.

---

sorry double post... damn mobile site.

Yeah, I'd love to see Biggs & Wedge in FFXIV also. They were awesome.

I haven't heard of any issues with Biggs and Wedge and Believe me George Lucas only let Mel Brooks make Spaceballs with the intent of no merchandise allowed so I doubt that is an issue with him. I wouldn't mind seeing them in all of them as well I love those two idiots

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Shadow_Sama

Hmm, I've not heard of that situation. I know that recently, they added Biggs and Wedge in Final Fantasy IV: The After Years.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/B...al_Fantasy_IV)

Figured since that was a recent game, and they appear there, that it would be a possibility for XIV ?

---

After years is actually a pretty old game. I don't recall them losing the rights to it though.

I don't see how Lucasfilm could even trademark the names Biggs and Wedge. They could probably trademark Wedge Antilles and Biggs Darklighter as a full name themselves, but not just their first name.

Ah yeah, my mistake, After Years came out in 2008. I've been trying to do some research on the whole rights thing and nothing crops up. So I guess it's okay for them to use their names.

Biggs and Wedge should be part of FFXIV. I hope we get to see lots of them

Yeah...company's can't copyright peoples names. Not first ones at least. I'm sure if it was possible Lucas would be the one to do it, and then no one could ever name their main character Luke ever again.

From what I've gathered they were originally soldiers in the Star Wars universe that would always get the short end of the stick, but were pretty prominent as background characters in the TV series they showed back in the 70's early 80's I believe. I think Wedge even died in the first movie only to reappear in the TV series which basically told what went on between the movies.

FF's famous duo was probably a parody of the two that just turned out to become another popular meme in the FF franchise.

Well as I said, it was just something I had heard, and regardless, for whatever reason, we have not seen them in a game in quite a few FF generations.

There is a difference between homage and plagarism. That's why Family Guy and Robot Chicken were able to make their Star Wars parodies.

Biggs and Wedge should be the vendors that sell the magitek armor to us or the npcs that give the quest to get them

I'd like to see original characters unlike the rest of the entire games industry. SE doing fan service like the DLC bosses in XIII-2 diminishes the brand value. Also XIV doesn't yet have a lot of good original charaters so I think it should be a priority over wallowing in memorabilia.

This is why I give so much respect to SE for their work on the FF series.
Even reoccurring themes like moogles and chocobos were painstakingly re-designed for every iteration.
I love Shiva but I always want to see a new incarnation of it over a used (albeit spectacular) X or VIII version.

Having Cloud jump in in the middle of a GC quest would be a disservice to the memory of VII and to the future of XIV. Don't turn deep characters into mascots, that's what Kingdom Hearts series is for.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Seif

I'd like to see original characters unlike the rest of the entire games industry. SE doing fan service like the DLC bosses in XIII-2 diminishes the brand value.

---

How does having FF bosses show up in a FF game diminish the brand value of the FF series? There's no storyline to them, they're just bosses to fight in optional content.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Seif

I'd like to see original characters unlike the rest of the entire games industry. SE doing fan service like the DLC bosses in XIII-2 diminishes the brand value. Also XIV doesn't yet have a lot of good original charaters so I think it should be a priority over wallowing in memorabilia.

This is why I give so much respect to SE for their work on the FF series.
Even reoccurring themes like moogles and chocobos were painstakingly re-designed for every iteration.
I love Shiva but I always want to see a new incarnation of it over a used (albeit spectacular) X or VIII version.

Having Cloud jump in in the middle of a GC quest would be a disservice to the memory of VII and to the future of XIV. Don't turn deep characters into mascots, that's what Kingdom Hearts series is for.

---

That's fine with the primary characters, but Biggs and Wedge are just a clever recurring nod to the fans of the series. Likening it to having Cloud jump out in a cut-scene is a bit silly.

You cannot copy write names that are that simple. Other wise every child named Luke would have a TM after their name. To copy write it GL would have to prove that the names were original creations that don't exist anywhere else.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hulan

Well as I said, it was just something I had heard, and regardless, for whatever reason, we have not seen them in a game in quite a few FF generations.

---

They had a shop in FFXIII.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alkar

They had a shop in FFXIII.

---

Really? I must have missed that. I'll have to take another look.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Seif

I'd like to see original characters unlike the rest of the entire games industry. SE doing fan service like the DLC bosses in XIII-2 diminishes the brand value. Also XIV doesn't yet have a lot of good original charaters so I think it should be a priority over wallowing in memorabilia.

This is why I give so much respect to SE for their work on the FF series.
Even reoccurring themes like moogles and chocobos were painstakingly re-designed for every iteration.
I love Shiva but I always want to see a new incarnation of it over a used (albeit spectacular) X or VIII version.

Having Cloud jump in in the middle of a GC quest would be a disservice to the memory of VII and to the future of XIV. Don't turn deep characters into mascots, that's what Kingdom Hearts series is for.

---

3 things

1. Gilgamesh was long over due in a final fantasy considering he was in 12 and only for like 1 fight (Yeah its the same in XIII-2 but come the hell on its GILGAMESH!)

2. I agree with wanting to see a new version of shiva (X's version was amazing)

3. Cloud should stay in midgar with all of his FF7 fanboys and yes KH is for little kids who want FF heroes of yore as kiddy mascots

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hulan

Really? I must have missed that. I'll have to take another look.

---

I think its called, B&W Outfitters.

OT:
B&W is a good staple in the Final Fantasy series. They could act like subordinates for Garlean generals or something and doing goofy stuff.

We could very well see them in FFXIV, the games background setting seems about right.

in almost all FF Games Biggs and Wedge followed a very similar trend they usually were always an enemy of some sort "if not then they Followed the plot relief trend ex. FF7,FF9", Were Soldiers..in pretty much all FF games they appeared in save for one."two if you count 13". and always played Comic Relief.

You have Garleans, which would fulfill the first two requirements for Enemy Soldier Biggs and Wedge, and there Comic Relief could be any number of Set backs for the Empire. They may also appear as friendly GC Related combatants for plot relief and comic relief.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Valmonte

You have Garleans, which would fulfill the first two requirements for Enemy Soldier Biggs and Wedge, and there Comic Relief could be any number of Set backs for the Empire.

---

Yeah, it's pretty much guaranteed that if they're included they'll be with the Garleans.

I would still love to see them in here though it would be nice

More importantly, how are we going to kill them off? Or will they be gag cameo characters like FF8?

If they were gag cameo characters, like that detective we keep seeing, I guess that would be cool. But I think the detective sorta already has the goofy gag spot. Hmm, I'm not quite sure how Square would go about it, but however they do it, I think it would be awesome for Biggs and Wedge to be in the game somehow :)

Biggs would be in a quest where he gets killed and wedge is the friend who's with him!

What if (prepare for your mind to be blow) Nael Van Darnus is Biggs, and he shows himself, Wedge is a lower rank, and Biggs has been assigned to train him.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Delsus

What if (prepare for your mind to be blow) Nael Van Darnus is Biggs, and he shows himself, Wedge is a lower rank, and Biggs has been assigned to train him.

---

/mindblown now who is nael van darnus =P

I would like to see them simply for a little more comic relief.

Hildibrant was hilarious and haveing a few quests seeing Biggs and Wedge as two bumbling garlean soldiers or something of the sort would make for some funny times.

I like it when they add some comic relief in the game, as long is its in doses and doesnt bring the game down overall.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Dragon

Yeah, I'd love to see Biggs & Wedge in FFXIV also. They were awesome.

---

In FFVI, Terra was traveling along with "Vicks" and Wedge, lol. Can't fool me, haha. :p

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Whoopie_Pie

In FFVI, Terra was traveling along with "Vicks" and Wedge, lol. Can't fool me, haha. :p

---

Vicks was a mistranslation....besides Vicks is a trademarked name.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

I would like to see them simply for a little more comic relief.

Hildibrant was hilarious and haveing a few quests seeing Biggs and Wedge as two bumbling garlean soldiers or something of the sort would make for some funny times.

I like it when they add some comic relief in the game, as long is its in doses and doesnt bring the game down overall.

---

Biggs and Wedge as comic relief Garlean soldiers? Yes, sir, I think I like it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

I would like to see them simply for a little more comic relief.

---

True. I think the little comedy we have in the game now is quite good, I wouldn't mind them expanding upon it. Stuff like the MNK quests is great.

How about Rosencrantz and Guildenstern instead

*crickets*

One of the devs or community reps should post and tell us they at least brought it up to Yoshi P. I think they'd be a welcomed addition to the epicness which is XIV.