Housing Demolition Suspended!

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...021287b9e64503

Cause given is the disaster in Turkiye and Syria. Note that the DCs it is suspended for is Chaos and Light, the EU Data Centers. Suspension starts from Feburary 9.

i thought they already disabled it due to the war in ukraine i dont remember them ever turning it back on

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Originally Posted by ryouma17

i thought they already disabled it due to the war in ukraine i dont remember them ever turning it back on

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It was put back on around when 6.3 went live.

It's the right thing to do, but I'm sure someone out there is going to complain about it :/

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Originally Posted by ryouma17

i thought they already disabled it due to the war in ukraine i dont remember them ever turning it back on

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They turned it back on with 6.3's release.

I think Feb 24th is when the 45 day timer would expire for those who haven't reset the demolition timer on their house since it resumed.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

It's the right thing to do, but I'm sure someone out there is going to complain about it :/

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The problem is that the underlying housing system is dogshit and auto demolition was a necessary evil to keep players active or reclaim their plot so someone else could use it. Circumstances aside, constantly disabling that system defeats the purpose of it. It spent a year disabled due to the war in Ukraine and is now disabled again after a month. I appreciate Square Enix wanting to give a gesture of good will to players that might be impacted but if they really want players to not lose things, actually build a housing system that guarantees everyone a house.

I also think it's fair that active players, potentially those that have spent months trying to get a house or move up to a larger plot (of which there are less), might be annoyed by this. The one mechanic that's designed to keep housing plots available if players go inactive, regardless of why, probably shouldn't be disabled as much as it has been historically.

Also, before anyone claims salt, I have a personal housing plot. Lich, Ward 26, Plot 12.

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Originally Posted by Johners

The problem is that the underlying housing system is dogshit and auto demolition was a necessary evil to keep players active or reclaim their plot so someone else could use it. Circumstances aside, constantly disabling that system defeats the purpose of it. It spent a year disabled due to the war in Ukraine and is now disabled again after a month. I appreciate Square Enix wanting to give a gesture of good will to players that might be impacted but if they really want players to not lose things, actually build a housing system that guarantees everyone a house.

I also think it's fair that active players, potentially those that have spent months trying to get a house or move up to a larger plot (of which there are less), might be annoyed by this. The one mechanic that's designed to keep housing plots available if players go inactive, regardless of why, probably shouldn't be disabled as much as it has been historically.

Also, before anyone claims salt, I have a personal housing plot. Lich, Ward 26, Plot 12.

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While both situations are rather unfortunate, I think the blame is in the incorrect place. SE should be adding more wards, but the majority of current wards are mostly for FCs. Trying to accommodate both FCs and private buyers just doesn't help the situation in the long run, especially when FC's who have housing are being traded away for RMT and gil.

There's also this issue of many FCs holding multiple houses due to the older system. Why isn't SE demolishing those houses? It's punishing the playerbase. I think it's the correct choice to pause demolition on Chaos/Light until things become better.

What they should be doing is dividing the wards in "tabs" I guess, where one is only for private buyers and another only for FCs.

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Originally Posted by Johners

The problem is that the underlying housing system is dogshit and auto demolition was a necessary evil to keep players active or reclaim their plot so someone else could use it. Circumstances aside, constantly disabling that system defeats the purpose of it. It spent a year disabled due to the war in Ukraine and is now disabled again after a month. I appreciate Square Enix wanting to give a gesture of good will to players that might be impacted but if they really want players to not lose things, actually build a housing system that guarantees everyone a house.

I also think it's fair that active players, potentially those that have spent months trying to get a house or move up to a larger plot (of which there are less), might be annoyed by this. The one mechanic that's designed to keep housing plots available if players go inactive, regardless of why, probably shouldn't be disabled as much as it has been historically.

Also, before anyone claims salt, I have a personal housing plot. Lich, Ward 26, Plot 12.

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Turning demo off in situations like this is just SE taking responsibility for the awful system they created. It's not the player's fault that these incidents happen.

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Originally Posted by Johners

The problem is that the underlying housing system is dogshit and auto demolition was a necessary evil to keep players active or reclaim their plot so someone else could use it. Circumstances aside, constantly disabling that system defeats the purpose of it. It spent a year disabled due to the war in Ukraine and is now disabled again after a month. I appreciate Square Enix wanting to give a gesture of good will to players that might be impacted but if they really want players to not lose things, actually build a housing system that guarantees everyone a house.

I also think it's fair that active players, potentially those that have spent months trying to get a house or move up to a larger plot (of which there are less), might be annoyed by this. The one mechanic that's designed to keep housing plots available if players go inactive, regardless of why, probably shouldn't be disabled as much as it has been historically.

Also, before anyone claims salt, I have a personal housing plot. Lich, Ward 26, Plot 12.

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"We made a crappy design that limits supply in the face of the demand we'd have, which has been growing as our game gets more popular. So instead of reworking the system or having better supply, we punish players who managed to enter."

If it is only for Chaos and Light thats fine because they are most likely affected by the earthquake. No need to suspend demolition for everywhere else.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

While both situations are rather unfortunate, I think the blame is in the incorrect place. SE should be adding more wards, but the majority of current wards are mostly for FCs. Trying to accommodate both FCs and private buyers just doesn't help the situation in the long run, especially when FC's who have housing are being traded away for RMT and gil.

There's also this issue of many FCs holding multiple houses due to the older system. Why isn't SE demolishing those houses? It's punishing the playerbase. I think it's the correct choice to pause demolition on Chaos/Light until things become better.

What they should be doing is dividing the wards in "tabs" I guess, where one is only for private buyers and another only for FCs.

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I understand why they don't tbh - it would not be fair to take away something due to retroactive changes in the rules. A terrible precedent to set, and as much as it sucks for the servers with those older wards, I would really rather there not be a pattern created where they change a system and take things away from people who don't really apply under the new changes.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

While both situations are rather unfortunate, I think the blame is in the incorrect place. SE should be adding more wards, but the majority of current wards are mostly for FCs. Trying to accommodate both FCs and private buyers just doesn't help the situation in the long run, especially when FC's who have housing are being traded away for RMT and gil.

There's also this issue of many FCs holding multiple houses due to the older system. Why isn't SE demolishing those houses? It's punishing the playerbase. I think it's the correct choice to pause demolition on Chaos/Light until things become better.

What they should be doing is dividing the wards in "tabs" I guess, where one is only for private buyers and another only for FCs.

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Nice assumptions there buddy

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

I understand why they don't tbh - it would not be fair to take away something due to retroactive changes in the rules. A terrible precedent to set, and as much as it sucks for the servers with those older wards, I would really rather there not be a pattern created where they change a system and take things away from people who don't really apply under the new changes.

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So don't? Leave the wards as they are but instead of adding more every once in a blue moon, work towards a long term solution like instanced housing. They've done literally nothing to alleviate a system that was never designed to handle the massive demand housing has.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

So don't? Leave the wards as they are but instead of adding more every once in a blue moon, work towards a long term solution like instanced housing. They've done literally nothing to alleviate a system that was never designed to handle the massive demand housing has.

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You mean the same instanced housing that would literally help NOTHING as people would still want ward housing anyway as long as it exists ?

The only solution is to add more wards and more availability, not instanced housing.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

If it is only for Chaos and Light thats fine because they are most likely affected by the earthquake. No need to suspend demolition for everywhere else.

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I agree. Having it turned off for the past year was a bit long, however the recent earthquake has caused 20000 deaths and unimaginable suffering so it is absolutely the right choice to turn off auto demo temporarily. Most EU worlds also went multiple cycles with 0 bid personals so it's not like we need more.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

You mean the same instanced housing that would literally help NOTHING as people would still want ward housing anyway as long as it exists ?

The only solution is to add more wards and more availability, not instanced housing.

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Who gave you the authority to speak for everyone playing the game? I'm sure most people would be perfectly fine without their house being in the wards if it meant they'd have easy access to housing and any house size they could afford, with the option to upgrade at will. The wards are barren and pointless. For all we know they could give instanced plots their own small private beach and/or whatever else to make it more comfy, they could even let you customize your own small island. Not like that'd ever happen but it's something that would completely shit over the current ward system.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Nice assumptions there buddy

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Right? I bet they don't have evidence to back it up either.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Nice assumptions there buddy

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Not an assumption, but a fact. There was a whole subreddit for FC trading before they moved to discord server only. It's not a hard find either, just use google.

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Originally Posted by Sheriyana

Who gave you the authority to speak for everyone playing the game? I'm sure most people would be perfectly fine without their house being in the wards if it meant they'd have easy access to housing and any house size they could afford, with the option to upgrade at will. The wards are barren and pointless. For all we know they could give instanced plots their own small private beach and/or whatever else to make it more comfy, they could even let you customize your own small island. Not like that'd ever happen but it's something that would completely shit over the current ward system.

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The wards are not barren and pointless, there's a lot of people that have friends or family as neighbors, some even met their friends from housing after a relocation, I had the same for example I met a group of multiple friends from the same FC right after relocating to a different plot. Some are barren , not all.

Also I can pretty safely say that as long as ward housing exists, people wont be happy with instanced housing, it aint authority, its logic. Instanced housing would basically be second class housing, it would change absolutely nothing.

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Originally Posted by PintyMcEars

Right? I bet they don't have evidence to back it up either.

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As per usual

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

Not an assumption, but a fact. There was a whole subreddit for FC trading before they moved to discord server only. It's not a hard find either, just use google.

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Obviously that must mean that all fcs sell their houses right, because a percentage does it.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

"We made a crappy design that limits supply in the face of the demand we'd have, which has been growing as our game gets more popular. So instead of reworking the system or having better supply, we punish players who managed to enter."

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I suspect that current home owners would find it quite punishing if a shift to instanced housing resulted in their current furniture setup being disassembled, as currently happens when you move from one house to another even if the layout is the same.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Obviously that must mean that all fcs sell their houses right, because a percentage does it.

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Oh yeah totally, might as ban the entire playerbase for that.

Just because it happens in some, doesn't mean everybody does that. But it happens, that is my point. I wouldn't post a link or even an image because there's no reason I should sacrifice my integrity to satisfy your curiosity.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

So don't? Leave the wards as they are but instead of adding more every once in a blue moon, work towards a long term solution like instanced housing. They've done literally nothing to alleviate a system that was never designed to handle the massive demand housing has.

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Isn't that what island sanctuary is? But people don't care they want houses.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

Oh yeah totally, might as ban the entire playerbase for that.

Just because it happens in some, doesn't mean everybody does that. But it happens, that is my point. I wouldn't post a link or even an image because there's no reason I should sacrifice my integrity to satisfy your curiosity.

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The point is that you cant punish legit players because of some players misbehaving.

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Originally Posted by Coatl

Isn't that what island sanctuary is? But people don't care they want houses.

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That a lot of these same people will end up leaving abandoned with just an aetheryte in the garden

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

The point is that you cant punish legit players because of some players misbehaving.

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SE already punished the players by not handling the issue properly from the start (like 1 FC buying an entire ward). They can't fix this issue anymore, and here we are with the current status regarding housing.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

SE already punished the players by not handling the issue properly from the start (like 1 FC buying an entire ward). They can't fix this issue anymore, and here we are with the current status regarding housing.

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If the problem is unable to be fixed anymore I don't understand the point of complaining about it. It's something that just kinda has to be dealt with.

Plenty of houses still on Dynamis btw.

They need to abolish the demolitions completely and FIX housing supply once and for all. Stop punishing those who bought a house and start maning up to the needs of your game instead SE. You are 8 years too late already.


Those affected by the earthquake, I cannot even imagine the grief and sorrow they are going through. Incredibly sad. :(

Why did the evil Venar demolish No Shadow God land. Is why there is the house shortage.

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Originally Posted by MistyMew

They need to abolish the demolitions completely and FIX housing supply once and for all. Stop punishing those who bought a house and start maning up to the needs of your game instead SE. You are 8 years too late already.


Those affected by the earthquake, I cannot even imagine the grief and sorrow they are going through. Incredibly sad. :(

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but screw their in-game houses though right? You dont seem to be that sad over it.

Listen, I really understand why they do it in good faith. However there will always be something happening in the world that limits people in affected areas playing the game. Not to mention personal issues that can suddenly impact one's life. Disabling demolition is not a solution, it's a bandaid for the terrible system in place.

For how unpredictable life can be there will always be someone losing their house when instead there should be a feature you can activate online (mogstation), maybe once or twice in the time of ownership, to guard your house for demolition in case of emergency.

Personally, this is the way to do it. If there are natural or manmade disasters affecting a region, suspend auto-demolition for that region. It is always a bone of contention when they should restart it, but that's a different conversation.

Im glad they suspended it this time as well, it would have been messed up to ignore.

Time to unsub again then :D

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

So don't? Leave the wards as they are but instead of adding more every once in a blue moon, work towards a long term solution like instanced housing. They've done literally nothing to alleviate a system that was never designed to handle the massive demand housing has.

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With that, I agree fully. But also I recognize the potential issues as well as reasons why they havent prioritized housing reworks until recently, relatively to dev history. Heck, the new lottery system and ward expansions on regular are a novel thing, and it is known pipeline and planning for MMORPG development can be years long, so if they are working on more permanent solution, I'm not expecting it for a while regardless, especially with trouble they had just expanding the servers in terms of storage space previously. Its easy to imagine as quick task, but I very much do not believe it is. So to say they've done nothing is unfair when they made a much more fair (if imperfect) system for acquisition of housing and released a bunch more wards to boot.