4.35 vs 6.35

Remembering the bygone days when we indeed had a patch drop with a Deep Dungeon and an entire Relic Zone at once. Well, the latter came in 4.36 if we want to get technical but even so it was hardly a long wait. (Stormblood even released a relic zone in 4.25, can you imagine?)

And now we are in Endwalker.

Now, even with an extended patch cycle such things are impossible, and what we know is coming so far just feels so uninspired. Heaven on High and Palace of the Dead at least had something unique to them. But sure let’s rerelease more Allag/Crystal Tower stuff as if the game wasn’t full to the brim with it.

And, unlike the previous Relic Questlines and associated zones, nobody is doing Criterion. I can only hazard a guess as to why.

Hmm, I wonder why the devs don't bother with this forum...

oh, right

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

Hmm, I wonder why the devs don't bother with this forum...

oh, right

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Your signature literally says look to those who walked before to lead those who'll walk after. I was here during Stormblood back when content wasn't dripfed the way it started to back in Shadowbringers after Covid provided the most convenient excuse for multiple companies to take forever to get things done or straight up cancel game features left and right.

You lose nothing from having more (and properly tested) content to do. How is this in any way controversial?

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Remembering the bygone days when we indeed had a patch drop with a Deep Dungeon and an entire Relic Zone at once. Well, the latter came in 4.36 if we want to get technical but even so it was hardly a long wait. (Stormblood even released a relic zone in 4.25, can you imagine?)

And now we are in Endwalker.

Now, even with an extended patch cycle such things are impossible, and what we know is coming so far just feels so uninspired. Heaven on High and Palace of the Dead at least had something unique to them. But sure let’s rerelease more Allag/Crystal Tower stuff as if the game wasn’t full to the brim with it.

And, unlike the previous Relic Questlines and associated zones, nobody is doing Criterion. I can only hazard a guess as to why.

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You realize the resources that usually make up the Relic zone went in this expansion to the Island sanctuary and V&C Dungeon. Right?

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Your signature literally says look to those who walked before to lead those who'll walk after. I was here during Stormblood back when content wasn't dripfed the way it started to back in Shadowbringers after Covid provided the most convenient excuse for multiple companies to take forever to get things done or straight up cancel game features left and right.

You lose nothing from having more (and properly tested) content to do. How is this in any way controversial?

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So is this patch the last straw, or was it last patch, or the next one, or 7.0? Or 7.1... 7.2?

He feels threatened there are other people making more threads than him...so now he is panic posting.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

So is this patch the last straw, or was it last patch, or the next one, or 7.0? Or 7.1... 7.2?

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His actions show he loves this game. Paying for multiple accounts ( This one is not his main cause he says he doesn't want to post on his main ) AND he gives money for mogstation items. He loves SE and will always support them....NO MATTER WHAT HE SAYS.

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

You realize the resources that usually make up the Relic zone went in this expansion to the Island sanctuary and V&C Dungeon. Right?

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And what a decision that was indeed. You'll forgive me if I'm not sympathetic to the cause of an Island where all you do is click things as opposed to repeatable battle content that doesn't die within days of it launching.

Have you ever thought about making one "I didn't get what I want so the game sucks" megathread instead of spamming the forums?

What i hate teh most is that all the grindy stuff that would kill time perfectly comes so late, its almost poinltess... like im on 15/18 ilv 625 weapons... why i again should i bother the most likely 625 relic, even if it has max stats, if its just for literally 3-4 weeks at most...

https://media.tenor.com/EsqfkCUZWwEA...e-facepalm.gif

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Have you ever thought about making one "I didn't get what I want so the game sucks" megathread instead of spamming the forums?

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Skiros is stealing his spotlight so he needs to make several new threads a day now.

Virgin Aveyond vs Chad Skiros.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

What i hate teh most is that all the grindy stuff that would kill time perfectly comes so late, its almost poinltess... like im on 15/18 ilv 625 weapons... why i again should i bother the most likely 625 relic, even if it has max stats, if its just for literally 3-4 weeks at most...

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It's always been like this. The game has never hidden what it is. It's surprising to me that people expect it to be different each expansion, like we haven't had 10 years of precedent.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

What i hate teh most is that all the grindy stuff that would kill time perfectly comes so late, its almost poinltess... like im on 15/18 ilv 625 weapons... why i again should i bother the most likely 625 relic, even if it has max stats, if its just for literally 3-4 weeks at most...

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Yeah literally no point other then aesthetic. FFXI on the othe hand have grinds that rewarded you for your time and that gear would last you several months. In XIV it's dime a dozen. And they always release relic cycles 2 patches too late when they should be releasing relic steps alongside each new raid tier so the raiders have content to get their raid gear and casual players have a grind to get relic gear.

Bad design IMO but it pads out the game when it has no content left.

Relic weapons that provide some kind of additional effect like FFXI ones do (as well as armor) would also be partially helpful as to how cookie-cutter combat across most jobs became here.

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Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto

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Why are you against having more content?

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Skiros is stealing his spotlight so he needs to make several new threads a day now.

Virgin Aveyond vs Chad Skiros.

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Who's the GigaChad then?

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

I was here during Stormblood

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Good for you. I've been here since ARR released.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Covid provided the most convenient excuse

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You've lost me.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

How is this in any way controversial?

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See... I tried taking you seriously before, and then you got offended by a wood joke. If you were consistent, you should also be offended by Limsa, Sastasha, the ladies in Ala Ghiri that offer their services directly to the player, and the many other innuendos all over the game, but I doubt that's the case.

So at best: You're acting like a spoiled child that isn't getting exactly what they want, presents all complaints in a vacuum ignoring work conditions and flat out dismissing COVID, doesn't even trust the devs yet expects them to read him in earnest, and then acts surprised when most people don't take him seriously.

Or: You're a troll.

Sir, you're not controversial. You're just a provocateur. The game is far from perfect, and I personally still have issues with Viera customization and a few other things, but the devs could add 1000 new features and if they weren't what you want, you'd still complain.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Have you ever thought about making one "I didn't get what I want so the game sucks" megathread instead of spamming the forums?

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How will he be able to assert his dominance over Skiros as the #1 troll poster if he doesn't spam post more? Didn't know some people were into a junk measuring contest.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

Good for you. I've been here since ARR released.



You've lost me.



See... I tried taking you seriously before, and then you got offended by a wood joke. If you were consistent, you should also be offended by Limsa, Sastasha, the ladies in Ala Ghiri that offer their services directly to the player, and the many other innuendos all over the game, but I doubt that's the case.

So at best: You're acting like a spoiled child that isn't getting exactly what they want, presents all complaints in a vacuum ignoring work conditions and flat out dismissing COVID, doesn't even trust the devs but expects them to read him in earnest, and then acts surprised when most people don't take him seriously.

Or: You're a troll.

Sir, you're not controversial. You're just a provocateur. The game is far from perfect, and I personally still have issues with Viera customization and a few other things, but the devs could add 1000 new features and if they weren't what you want, you'd still complain.

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I think at this point you are my hero haha, I am getting so tired of OPs antics and I know he must get off on the fact he bugs people with trolling otherwise he won't do it. He reminds me of my one mate who is cynical over absolutely anything. There is no joy in anything super analytical and critical of everything unless it caters to a vague blind nostalgia.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

He feels threatened there are other people making more threads than him...so now he is panic posting.

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Yeah, this is sloppy work from them for sure. Notice they seem to be replying a little more too.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

And what a decision that was indeed. You'll forgive me if I'm not sympathetic to the cause of an Island where all you do is click things as opposed to repeatable battle content that doesn't die within days of it launching.

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I like Island Sanctuary! Its a nice chill piece of content that I hope they keep adding too. Sorry if you dislike it but, you know, not everyone will click with everything added in the game. You dislike this? Some people disliked past relic zones. I dislike PVP but it would be rather pathetic if I threw a tantrum whenever they added to that part of the game. Theres constructive criticism sure, and thats always important.. but what you post is sadly rarely that I am afraid to say.

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

You realize the resources that usually make up the Relic zone went in this expansion to the Island sanctuary and V&C Dungeon. Right?

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This is a bizarre argument, even if it's accurate.

The Island is not battle content, and frankly, barely counts as content at all. It's like WOW Garrisons but 10 years late, and way more lifeless. Mostly just a browser game.

V&C is some of the least relevant content that I've ever encountered. If this was some sort of massive resource-sink, why didn't they make it actually have a purpose, rather than being one-and-done checklist content? At least there was motivation and engagement with grinding Exploratory Zones into the ground.

If SE really has to trade out content like Exploratory Zones in order to be able to make Facebook Island, I have serious questions about both the wisdom of their management, and the resource pipelines that they're allocating. This should not be an either/or situation.

Impossible, or they just don't want to do Another exploratory zone.

Man, some people flame the developers for not trying new things, but when they do, some people throw their toys out of the pram.

10/10 could guarantee if they did another exploratory zone, OP would be crying that it's still the same.

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Originally Posted by Eorzean_username

This is a bizarre argument, even if it's accurate.

The Island is not battle content, and frankly, barely counts as content at all. It's like WOW Garrisons but 10 years late, and way more lifeless. Mostly just a browser game.

V&C is some of the least relevant content that I've ever encountered. If this was some sort of massive resource-sink, why didn't they make it actually have a purpose, rather than being one-and-done checklist content? At least there was motivation and engagement with grinding Exploratory Zones into the ground.

If SE really has to trade out content like Exploratory Zones in order to be able to make Facebook Island, I have serious questions about both the wisdom of their management, and the resource pipelines that they're allocating. This should not be an either/or situation.

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You are right about the either or situation however they do have a limited budget and you have to remember they are working on the visual upgrade for 7.0 on top of whatever they have unannounced. That might mean they are allocating more elsewhere we don't know their allocations but compared to any other MMO we are always eating healthy. I do agree that V&C needs a heavy work on, however it was a testing ground for them to learn and improve on. Island sanctuary while a bit empty currently is getting an expansion in 6.4 and its constantly being updated beyond that into 7.X and so on...granted that content isn't completely for me I know it caters to a mass amount of casual players that would eat that up big time.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

So is this patch the last straw, or was it last patch, or the next one, or 7.0? Or 7.1... 7.2?

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He's not going anywhere. We were lucky he took a vacation hopefully he'll take another one soon.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Skiros is stealing his spotlight so he needs to make several new threads a day now.

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Skiros threads are a lot more entertaining.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Impossible, or they just don't want to do Another exploratory zone.

Man, some people flame the developers for not trying new things, but when they do, some people throw their toys out of the pram.

10/10 could guarantee if they did another exploratory zone, OP would be crying that it's still the same.

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Dunno why they killed Bozja or Zadnor. Probably the best content they ever put out. Although FFXIV does not really have exploratory zones. Absolutely pales in comparison to many MMOS that have points of interest that are off the beaten path like Vanilla WoW or Guild Wars 2.

FFXIV is a HEAVILY instanced game and as a result you have a lifeless world you don't interact with. It's what makes GW2, WoW, FFXI, LOTRO great where you need to explore the world to do stuff instead of going into instance 264 like it's another game of Monster Hunter.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Impossible, or they just don't want to do Another exploratory zone.

Man, some people flame the developers for not trying new things, but when they do, some people throw their toys out of the pram.

10/10 could guarantee if they did another exploratory zone, OP would be crying that it's still the same.

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What new things? Sweatshop sanctuary? I think we would be fine without that pile of worthless content. FarmVille is more of a sanctuary and 10x more interactive than something Square fucking Enix came up with, what a goddamned disaster. I'm going to be honest with you: yes, I would prefer having more dungeons, trials and another exploratory zone. I like them, many people like them, no need to cut them to introduce some half-baked concepts.

You're not allowed to talk about how mid Endwalker is thats illegal

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

So is this patch the last straw, or was it last patch, or the next one, or 7.0? Or 7.1... 7.2?

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It'll definitely be 6.4 for him





*cough*

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Dunno why they killed Bozja or Zadnor. Probably the best content they ever put out. Although FFXIV does not really have exploratory zones. Absolutely pales in comparison to many MMOS that have points of interest that are off the beaten path like Vanilla WoW or Guild Wars 2.

FFXIV is a HEAVILY instanced game and as a result you have a lifeless world you don't interact with. It's what makes GW2, WoW, FFXI, LOTRO great where you need to explore the world to do stuff instead of going into instance 264 like it's another game of Monster Hunter.

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It was great content, but it gets weary if you embed it into something such as relic systems time, and time again, they're just trying another direction with it, honestly. Or seeing how successful they go with something a little HW-esque.

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What new things? Sweatshop sanctuary? I think we would be fine without that pile of worthless content. FarmVille is more of a sanctuary and 10x more interactive than something Square fucking Enix came up with, what a goddamned disaster. I'm going to be honest with you: yes, I would prefer having more dungeons, trials and another exploratory zone. I like them, many people like them, no need to cut them to introduce some half-baked concepts.

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Any given concept you incorporate in a game in the initial stages is going to be a WIP with a lot of refinement necessary. If the advocation is that they shouldn't do this and just stick to that which is comfortable then it gets very boring, very quickly.

Anemos, for example, was very barebones with essentially nothing, absolutely nothing bar over-glorified FATEs in a different zone. This was slightly refined to then incorporate rarer lockboxes e.g., warped lockboxes, and bunny FATEs, which then got refined into a Logos system, something that served the foundation going forward, inc., large-scale raids. Point is, their initial inception was a far cry from something decent. Anemos was a half-baked concept, not unlike Island Sanctuary thus far, which still has the capacity to develop into something quite substantial.

Speaking as someone who has gone through doing all relics of SB and ShB, I am glad they've taken a break from Exploratory zones unless they can innovate on it enough, which I don't think they can.

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Originally Posted by Anura

What new things? Sweatshop sanctuary? I think we would be fine without that pile of worthless content. FarmVille is more of a sanctuary and 10x more interactive than something Square fucking Enix came up with, what a goddamned disaster. I'm going to be honest with you: yes, I would prefer having more dungeons, trials and another exploratory zone. I like them, many people like them, no need to cut them to introduce some half-baked concepts.

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I would love to have more trials or dungeons etc but then once again they are sort of one and done types of content as well...also without actual numbers I bet way more people are playing island sanctuary then we think. Yeah its barebones but they started a foundation...that's like comparing an animal crossing game from its inception to current release, vastly different. If by the Islands expansion nothing has really changed then we can all be in agreement of it being a waste. Its not even about cutting too...the game caters to MULTIPLE demographics....that's not just me and you and our tastes...its funny that...you know trying to widen the net to get more revenue lol.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Any given concept you incorporate in a game in the initial stages is going to be a WIP with a lot of refinement necessary. If the advocation is that they shouldn't do this and just stick to that which is comfortable then it gets very boring, very quickly.

Anemos, for example, was very barebones with essentially nothing, absolutely nothing bar over-glorified FATEs in a different zone. This was slightly refined to then incorporate rarer lockboxes e.g., warped lockboxes, and bunny FATEs, which then got refined into a Logos system, something served the foundation going forward, inc., large-scale raids. Point is, their initial inception was a far cry from something decent. Anemos was a half-baked concept.

Speaking as someone who has gone through doing all relics of SB and ShB, I am glad they've taken a break from Exploratory zones unless they can innovate on it enough, which I don't think they can.

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Haha beat me too it on what I was getting that lol. It will be like when by 6.5 you'll have 2 more variant dungeons and 2 more criterion and if they can nail the reward structure then that's golden...if not then yeah something we can complain about. People want them to take some risks....they do that and get moaned at.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

It'll definitely be 6.4 for him

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Don't be silly, it'll be patch 11.3 next decade.

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Originally Posted by CStrife912

I would love to have more trials or dungeons etc but then once again they are sort of one and done types of content as well...also without actual numbers I bet way more people are playing island sanctuary then we think. Yeah its barebones but they started a foundation...that's like comparing an animal crossing game from its inception to current release, vastly different. If by the Islands expansion nothing has really changed then we can all be in agreement of it being a waste. Its not even about cutting too...the game caters to MULTIPLE demographics....that's not just me and you and our tastes...its funny that...you know trying to widen the net to get more revenue lol.



Haha beat me too it on what I was getting that lol.

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I get where people are coming from with it, don't get me wrong - But people absolutely forget just how barebones Anemos was. The only redeemable factor behind that content is that it was tied behind a relic.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

I get where people are coming from with it, don't get me wrong - But people absolutely forget just how barebones Anemos was. The only redeemable factor behind that content is that it was tied behind a relic.

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Or this constant allocation of resources debate.... oh they added more dungeons in the past blah blah...they've reworked pvp....reworked some ARR dungeons and redone boss mechanics on multiple early dungeons to provide better flow and consistency to the games wider mechanics. Just cause they aren't making new zones doesn't mean they haven't done nothing.....like when I look at wows roadmap or new world etc its barren compared to what we get...heck ESO is painful XD

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Relic weapons that provide some kind of additional effect like FFXI ones do (as well as armor) would also be partially helpful as to how cookie-cutter combat across most jobs became here.



Why are you against having more content?

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Why are you so jealous of Skiros?

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Yeah literally no point other then aesthetic. FFXI on the othe hand have grinds that rewarded you for your time and that gear would last you several months. In XIV it's dime a dozen. And they always release relic cycles 2 patches too late when they should be releasing relic steps alongside each new raid tier so the raiders have content to get their raid gear and casual players have a grind to get relic gear.

Bad design IMO but it pads out the game when it has no content left.

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Perhaps that particular part of that particular content (the ilvl of the weapon) just doesn't have you as its intended audience. See, for me, I don't do Savage or whatever it is that gives you the 625 weapons. Kuroka mentioned being on 15/18 for those weapons. I'm on 0/18. For someone like me, the ilvl aspect of the Manderville weapons is cool. I have one class with a 620 weapon that doesn't use the 615 Manderville. The rest of my 90's use the 615 Manderville because it's a benefit for them. It's okay for some piece of the game to not be designed specifically for you. That doesn't make it "bad" design; in fact, it's quite the opposite. It's excellent design because it helps the game appeal to a larger variety of people.

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Originally Posted by Hurlstone

Yeah, this is sloppy work from them for sure. Notice they seem to be replying a little more too.

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It's still only 1-2 times after their initial post the vast majority of the time. They are so uninvested in their own trolling that they are stupid easy to spot and reportable for trying to incite people to flame wars.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

It's still only 1-2 times after their initial post the vast majority of the time. They are so uninvested in their own trolling that they are stupid easy to spot and reportable for trying to incite people to flame wars.

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Well usually with Aveyond is he communicates with someone showing a lick of a similar opinion to his own...its a rather sad existence honestly. Not sure why they can't just be permabanned cause they show no sign of being constructive...its his way or the highway.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Who's the GigaChad then?

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Titanmen, of course! :D

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Perhaps that particular part of that particular content (the ilvl of the weapon) just doesn't have you as its intended audience. See, for me, I don't do Savage or whatever it is that gives you the 625 weapons. Kuroka mentioned being on 15/18 for those weapons. I'm on 0/18. For someone like me, the ilvl aspect of the Manderville weapons is cool. I have one class with a 620 weapon that doesn't use the 615 Manderville. The rest of my 90's use the 615 Manderville because it's a benefit for them. It's okay for some piece of the game to not be designed specifically for you. That doesn't make it "bad" design; in fact, it's quite the opposite. It's excellent design because it helps the game appeal to a larger variety of people.

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Not when you put it 2 patches apart from each other it isn't. If you want the game to appeal to more people wouldn't you have a raid upgrade and a relic upgrade at the same time? It's poor design that limits what players can do in a given timeframe. More gatekeeping.

I'm advocating for different approachs and options for gear progression at the same time. Instead of being pidgeonholed into one activity at a time. Why not offer more? Given that relic grinds are about doing content released one xpac ago over and over again which has no bearing on current content?

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Titanmen, of course! :D

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Not the original incarnation of Brofists? Smh...