Sprint Buff With Zero Cooldown In Cities To Balance Lack Of Mounts :MegaThread:

I have been doing some research into why this is the only mainstream MMO to not allow mounts in major cities.

From what other players have been telling me it's because this game allows you to stand on top of important in game assets such as quest giving NPCs or retainer bells. Thus blocking other players from accessing them.

Another reason is that some of the mounts in the game are very large.

Even though other games such as WoW, ESO and Lost ark have found ways to make mounts work just fine in cities it appears that much of the player base here does not want this to be a feature in this game.

Thankfully some other players have suggested fixes for the lack of mounts in cities.

Any support or suggestions are greatly appreciated as we work towards improving the QOL of this game!!

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Please reply to this thread with which fix you would like to see implemented!

Options to fix this problem thus far.

#1 Implement a zero cooldown sprint, a perma sprint or a sprint buff as soon as you enter a city that does not allow mounts.

Edit** PVP style sprint toggle for island sanctuary, housing wards, as well as cities. Even better PVP style sprint toggle in all non combat areas. :)

Edit** VeyaAkemi suggests below "Give us PvP Sprint while out of combat and instances, toggle on, falls off if you take any action, and as a bonus point, action changes to normal Sprint while in places you can't use toggable sprint, that's all I'd want."

#2 Add collision detection around important in game assets such as quest giving NPCs and retainer bells. Allowing players to stand on top of important assets allows for griefing in not only cities but the world as a whole.

Edit** A hotkey for "target nearest NPC" exits. Being able to target an NPC even though 50 players on mounts are standing on top of it largely eliminates the main issue people voiced over mounts in cities.

#3 Better aethernet systems. Optimizing crystal teleportation so if you are inside the city already you can open your map and teleport to any of the aethernet crystals directly instead of having to teleport to the main hub and then to a smaller hub afterwards. This removes an extra step that is not needed and is not streamlined for QOL. Also adding more teleport locations would be another option.

Edit** Press M in city to open map > click on any aethernet crystal > teleport directly to any crystal inside city from any location inside city

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Originally Posted by Mr_Happy

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Please reply to this thread with which fix you would like to see implemented!

Options to fix this problem thus far.

#1 Implement a zero cooldown sprint, a perma sprint or a sprint buff as soon as you enter a city that does not allow mounts.

#2 Add collision detection around important in game assets such as quest giving NPCs and retainer bells. Allowing players to stand on top of important assets allows for griefing in not only cities but the world as a whole.

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NPCs with collision are almost never going to happen, considering how many quetlines have NPCs that disappear after giving a quest, or appear in multiple places throughout the quest and all that. Unless only NPCs that literally never move are given collision, but that would just be a weird inconsistency.

As for sprint being a toggle or 0 cooldown in cities, while a cool solution, I'd honestly prefer better aethernet systems to that. Ul'dah is probably the best one in that regard and all other have glaring flaws in one spot or another.

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

NPCs with collision are almost never going to happen, considering how many quetlines have NPCs that disappear after giving a quest, or appear in multiple places throughout the quest and all that. Unless only NPCs that literally never move are given collision, but that would just be a weird inconsistency.

As for sprint being a toggle or 0 cooldown in cities, while a cool solution, I'd honestly prefer better aethernet systems to that. Ul'dah is probably the best one in that regard and all other have glaring flaws in one spot or another.

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You make some good points here, I will add better aethernet systems to list of possible fixes.

It is a major pain to be inside a city and have to move somewhere else but you first have to teleport to the main aethernet hub and then you can teleport to a smaller aethernet crystal afterwards adding an extra step that is not needed.

Give us PvP Sprint while out of combat and instances, toggle on, falls off if you take any action, and as a bonus point, action changes to normal Sprint while in places you can't use toggable sprint, that's all I'd want.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

Give us PvP Sprint while out of combat and instances, toggle on, falls off if you take any action, and as a bonus point, action changes to normal Sprint while in places you can't use toggable sprint, that's all I'd want.

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I love it, this is a fantastic option!

Trying to shave off 5-7s from point A to B, eh?

You could unlock a ranged DPS job and just use Peloton. Not as fast sprint, but should do the trick.

your first "megathread" on the topic was not enough?

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Trying to shave off 5-7s from point A to B, eh?

You could unlock a ranged DPS job and just use Peloton. Not as fast sprint, but should do the trick.

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Make it dancer for en avant. ;)

Useless Thread :MegaThread:

No........

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Make it dancer for en avant. ;)

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I thought that was for yeeting one's self off of platforms so you don't have to deal with mechanics ;)

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I thought that was for yeeting one's self off of platforms so you don't have to deal with mechanics ;)

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You're thinking of VeryeetDisplacement

In other games, mounts in cities just means people don't behave like it's a city and park dragons in major locations of business. There are smaller villages where they are allowed, so it's not just about covering npcs, it's about major city states looking presentable. When you enter a city, you exit your vehicle and walk around and they are making you respect the lore.

You were able to use mounts in Mor Dhona, Idyllshire and Rhalgr's Reach, all once populated endgame areas. Idyllshire still sees some popularity among new players and people doing Unreal, so sometimes people just go there because they can use mounts.

Knowing they are busy places, they probably don't want to increase the amount of rendering required, especially on consoles.

Peloton exists, Aetherytes in cities exist, FC sprint buff exists, Strider Boots exist...

Personally, I think Sprint should almost work the way it does in PvP... Make it into a Toggle, that turns off when you use any item or action and for PvE make it also turn off when attacked. Make the current sprint into a separate action in the essence of Bolt from ye olden aeons on PvP.

Someone desperately wants their name at the top of a 'megathread'.

You again. Use teleports like everybody and stop trying to inject dumb mounts in cities. Your old thread about it failed, this one will too.

Move on or go back to where you came from.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

You're thinking of VeryeetDisplacement

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I still miss Veryeet as part of the rotation and the chuckles it brought when either myself or another RDM didn't just dodge the mechanic but also the entire platform for good measure. :p

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Trying to shave off 5-7s from point A to B, eh?

You could unlock a ranged DPS job and just use Peloton. Not as fast sprint, but should do the trick.

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Aren't they the exact same speed?

Peloton is 1.2x and sprint 1.3. Fists of wind (rip in piece) is 1.1x

I wouldn't mind sprint having no cooldown in cities. If I don't feel like going slow, I'll switch to Bard or Dancer for Peloton but not everyone has that option.

I support the idea of an exclusion zone around npcs and things like summoning bells.

As to proposal 3, I think the OP maybe has mistaken how the Aetherytes in cities work; once you are in a city, you don't need to go to the main one again to get around.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Happy

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Please reply to this thread with which fix you would like to see implemented!

Options to fix this problem thus far.

#1 Implement a zero cooldown sprint, a perma sprint or a sprint buff as soon as you enter a city that does not allow mounts.

VeyaAkemi suggests below "Give us PvP Sprint while out of combat and instances, toggle on, falls off if you take any action, and as a bonus point, action changes to normal Sprint while in places you can't use toggable sprint, that's all I'd want."

#2 Add collision detection around important in game assets such as quest giving NPCs and retainer bells. Allowing players to stand on top of important assets allows for griefing in not only cities but the world as a whole.

#3 Better aethernet systems. Optimizing crystal teleportation so if you are inside the city already you can open your map and teleport to any of the aethernet crystals directly instead of having to teleport to the main hub and then to a smaller hub afterwards. This removes an extra step that is not needed and is not streamlined for QOL. Also adding more teleport locations would be another option.

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The first one I wouldn't mind; however, I'd change it to simply turning sprint into a toggle while in cities, just as it functions in PvP. This way those that wish to run normally or walk have the choice to do so instead of having an immediate buff foisted upon them.

I don't have an issue with this. However, know that there are ways around griefers that allows you to target the nearest NPC or interactable item. You'll have to consult your hotkeys to find it as mine are different.

Three, are you really that strapped for time that when you're not immediately next to an aetheryte that you re-teleport to the city hub just to get to the area in town you want to get to? What a mitigable waste of gil. You realize the smaller aetherytes aren't just for teleporting TO right? You do know you can teleport FROM those as well? >.>

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Originally Posted by Solarra

I wouldn't mind sprint having no cooldown in cities. If I don't feel like going slow, I'll switch to Bard or Dancer for Peloton but not everyone has that option.

I support the idea of an exclusion zone around npcs and things like summoning bells.

As to proposal 3, I think the OP maybe has mistaken how the Aetherytes in cities work; once you are in a city, you don't need to go to the main one again to get around.

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I would love to level a bard one day and def interested in dancer as well. Still though having to switch to a class just to move around a city is janky lol

For the aetherytes I'm looking to be able to press M at any time when your in a city and click on any of the crystals and teleport directly to them instead of having to go to the main hub first and then run closer to the main hub to click on it again to teleport to a smaller one. It's a QOL thing that feels janky as well.

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Originally Posted by fulminating

Peloton is 1.2x and sprint 1.3. Fists of wind (rip in piece) is 1.1x

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Awesome info thank you :)

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

The first one I wouldn't mind; however, I'd change it to simply turning sprint into a toggle while in cities, just as it functions in PvP. This way those that wish to run normally or walk have the choice to do so instead of having an immediate buff foisted upon them.

I don't have an issue with this. However, know that there are ways around griefers that allows you to target the nearest NPC or interactable item. You'll have to consult your hotkeys to find it as mine are different.

Three, are you really that strapped for time that when you're not immediately next to an aetheryte that you re-teleport to the city hub just to get to the area in town you want to get to? What a mitigable waste of gil. You realize the smaller aetherytes aren't just for teleporting TO right? You do know you can teleport FROM those as well? >.>

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Toggle sounds like it would be one of the best options for sure!

Good to know about the hotkey I will have to look into that.

And yes... I got spoiled playing other MMOs apparently, its a QOL thing. Just press M click on any crystal and go there in cities since they don't let us use mounts.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Trying to shave off 5-7s from point A to B, eh?

You could unlock a ranged DPS job and just use Peloton. Not as fast sprint, but should do the trick.

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Yes I am haha... I probably just got spoiled playing other MMOs. Just a couple QOL things to bring this game to the future and make the game feel less janky.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Happy

For the aetherytes I'm looking to be able to press M at any time when your in a city and click on any of the crystals and teleport directly to them instead of having to go to the main hub first and then run closer to the main hub to click on it again to teleport to a smaller one. It's a QOL thing that feels janky as well.

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It sounds like you're still not understanding the aetheryte shards. They are not just destinations. You don't have to go to the main aetheryte to teleport to a different shard. You can teleport from shard to shard.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

It sounds like you're still not understanding the aetheryte shards. They are not just destinations. You don't have to go to the main aetheryte to teleport to a different shard. You can teleport from shard to shard.

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I edited the original post to make it clear.

I do not want to have to run over to a crystal before being able to teleport to another crystal.

We should be able to press M and teleport to any crystal inside the city just like we can do to get to the main hub since they don't allow us to use mounts.

The current system just feels very janky compared to other MMOs and could be improved to make our lives/the feel of the game better.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Happy

I edited the original post to make it clear.

I do not want to have to run over to a crystal before being able to teleport to another crystal.

We should be able to press M and teleport to any crystal inside the city just like we can do to get to the main hub since they don't allow us to use mounts.

The current system just feels very janky compared to other MMOs and could be improved to make our lives/the feel of the game better.

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You realise it's probably faster to run to your nearest mini aetheryte and TP between them, than it is to TP back to the main aetheryte first?

They're usually fairly well placed for whatever you're visiting.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

You realise it's probably faster to run to your nearest mini aetheryte and TP between them, than it is to TP back to the main aetheryte first?

They're usually fairly well placed for whatever you're visiting.

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It may be a bit faster but it's less work for me to teleport.

It gives me hands a break while I'm teleporting anyways even though its nearly instant when moving from crystal to crystal.

I play at an electric sit/stand desk also so any chance to move around I try and take advantage of as well.

To this day I have a bad habit of forgetting to use the mini Aetherytes in towns (unless it's Limsa to get to the Aftcastle) and hoof it there. I like the scenery. :p

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Originally Posted by Caddo

To this day I have a bad habit of forgetting to use the mini Aetherytes in towns (unless it's Limsa to get to the Aftcastle) and hoof it there. I like the scenery. :p

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To funny ;) I was doing that a lot when I first started playing as well.

Since they over complicate city traveling in this game, I had to force myself to get used to it.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Happy

To funny ;) I was doing that a lot when I first started playing as well.

Since they over complicate city traveling in this game, I had to force myself to get used to it.

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There's nothing overcomplicated about it...

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Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto

There's nothing overcomplicated about it...

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Mayhap if you had the broad perspective I do from playing many other games apart from this one you would see in comparison that this game does overcomplicate city travel.

Having no mounts, having to watch/wait for a cooldown on sprit, having to teleport to the main hub before teleporting to mini crystals adds and extra step that is un-needed.

Basically the game could be better and I am here working on it so that we all may have a better QOL on this game like I have experienced in other games.

Lost Ark was my most recent and they made travelling around feel soooo good except when sailing on boats.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Happy

Mayhap if you had the broad perspective I do from playing many other games apart from this one you would see in comparison that this game does overcomplicate city travel.

Having no mounts, having to watch/wait for a cooldown on sprit, having to teleport to the main hub before teleporting to mini crystals adds and extra step that is un-needed.

Basically the game could be better and I am here working on it so that we all may have a better QOL on this game like I have experienced in other games.

Lost Ark was my most recent and they made travelling around feel soooo good except when sailing on boats.

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Honestly, I don't get the constant rushing along with conflating speed with QoL/better experience. If that were what people wanted we'd have menus and lobbies. Yet I see it as more than that. It's nice just walking through a city while on a quest or whatever. For me that's what makes MMOs special. I do see your point, though. In the end it's different viewpoints.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

Honestly, I don't get the constant rushing along with conflating speed with QoL/better experience. If that were what people wanted we'd have menus and lobbies. Yet I see it as more than that. It's nice just walking through a city while on a quest or whatever. For me that's what makes MMOs special. I do see your point, though. In the end it's different viewpoints.

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You make a good point, creating change takes a long time. In the meanwhile I should try to focus on enjoying the extra walking and what not.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

Peloton exists, Aetherytes in cities exist, FC sprint buff exists, Strider Boots exist...

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OH HELL YEAH I forgot about Strider Boots from Eureka! Good luck getting those, though - takes a good grind to get them.

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

OH HELL YEAH I forgot about Strider Boots from Eureka! Good luck getting those, though - takes a good grind to get them.

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I guess equipping a pair of boots would be a bit easier than changing to a different class just to move around a city but still...