More PvP Rewards

Ok, hear me out. I get that some people don't want exclusive pvp rewards (armor/mounts) that only top 100 can get. How about making more armor and rewards using the wolf collar quartermaster. That way people can farm for different sets of armor/mounts if pvp is their thing. Each piece of armor can cost 15000-20000 trophy crystals (15/20 wolf collars) and mounts can cost more (maybe 40+ wolf collars). This way people that actually like the pvp in FFXIV have something to work towards, even if ranked is not their thing. Series rewards are nice but once you get past series level 30, there's nothing much else to incentivize people to play pvp.

I'm OK with exclusive t100 rewards as long as there is real leaderboard moderation.

There are 99 ways to incentivize people to play PvP (FL/RW/CC) but SE just doesn't want to. Straight-up laziness from this company IMO.

Tbh, the only rewards I got from playing PvP were the friends I made along the way.

The rewards should be overhauled across the board. Just making hunt currency stuff buyable with Wolf Marks would be a big step forward for your caual PvP player.

Having something worthwhile to grind towards with all the stuff, Trophy Crystals, Wolf Collars etc. would be nice.

As for top 100, I agree with the additional moderation if there's stuff on line to compete about. Would love to see the rewards become account wide and leaderboards locked to one Character per account though.

If nothing else, they should at the very least throw in a multi top-100 finish titles to have at least something to work towards while they figure out the future of PvP and its rewards.

I'm not okay with exclusive rewards because that's a total waste of dev resources for a handful of players.

I'm totally okay with rewards behind collars or even using the old collar system where the higher you ranked, the more collars you got though.

Crystal trophies and other pvp currencies (we already have way too many of them, why do we even have collars left when you need to convert trophies into them, then them into wolf marks???) do need to cover more day to day consummables, not just materia. Hunt shops could be a real benefit imo.

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Originally Posted by Valence

I'm not okay with exclusive rewards because that's a total waste of dev resources for a handful of players.

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How is that a waste? Ultimate says hello btw.

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Originally Posted by Elfidan

How is that a waste? Ultimate says hello btw.

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Ultimate concerns far more than a hundred (or top 30, or top 1) of players per DC, and on top of it, isn't FOMO.

That's not even remotely comparable.

Everyone need to stop repeating every word and phrase they hear. Top 100/30 rewards are not FOMO. Fear of missing out implies anyone could have done it if they had been playing. That's like saying Olympic medals are FOMO. The series sets mounts etc. are FOMO until they actually reoffer them.

Ultimate is literally 1% of the player base and they see that as a reasonable use of dev time. Can you actually produce a count for the number of people competing for top 100/30 across all data centers, or are we just taking 100/30 X the number of Data centers? Your reasoning has some holes in it.

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Originally Posted by Elfidan

Everyone need to stop repeating every word and phrase they hear. Top 100/30 rewards are not FOMO. Fear of missing out implies anyone could have done it if they had been playing. That's like saying Olympic medals are FOMO. The series sets mounts etc. are FOMO until they actually reoffer them.

Ultimate is literally 1% of the player base and they see that as a reasonable use of dev time. Can you actually produce a count for the number of people competing for top 100/30 across all data centers, or are we just taking 100/30 X the number of Data centers? Your reasoning has some holes in it.

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Someone mentioned exclusive top 100 rewards, and you're right, I probably made a shortcut in my mind thinking immediately about the old feast rewards.

Also, please review your own reasoning logic if you're using the amount of people actually clearing ultimates to compare it to the amount of people attempting to clear a too 100/30.

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Originally Posted by Valence

Also, please review your own reasoning logic if you're using the amount of people actually clearing ultimates to compare it to the amount of people attempting to clear a too 100/30.

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So if we do that we have to limit the number of ultimate players to the initial season timeline which is even less since only a few groups push before strats come out. 1% is your total active attempting. It takes a lot more time to design an entire 15-20 minute fight and then a weapon for it than just a set of armor or a special mount don't you think? Point is I hardly think this is some massive drain on the development pool while they're pushing out fails like V&C dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Valence

I'm not okay with exclusive rewards because that's a total waste of dev resources for a handful of players.

I'm totally okay with rewards behind collars or even using the old collar system where the higher you ranked, the more collars you got though.

Crystal trophies and other pvp currencies (we already have way too many of them, why do we even have collars left when you need to convert trophies into them, then them into wolf marks???) do need to cover more day to day consummables, not just materia. Hunt shops could be a real benefit imo.

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Personally, I do like exclusive rewards, but I can see how other people won't. I can also see that SQUENIX might not have enough resources for exclusive rewards. Which is why I made this post in hopes of garnering more support for a BUNCH of armor sets that will take "grinding" to obtain. It's a win win as far as I can see it. More people will play pvp, more people will sub longer to FFXIV to grind for the armor, people that already pvp a lot will have something to look forward to, having more options to choose which set of armor you want to get as opposed to everyone getting the same series reward armor. I don't see any down side minus SQUENIX having to spend a little more resources to design the armor sets. They can even bring back the previous feast rewards but that might upset some people.

As long as the overall rewards are expanded I'm happy. The "prestige" versions of old sets are already a step to right direction, but there's much more potential.

As for Top 100, if they want to go for Season exclusives it doesn't need to be full armor sets like Feast, as long as it's something simple to show off - be it fashion accessory or one slot item, it would be enough.

If we can't get seasonal top 100 reward, then at least have something to recognize multiple high finishes. Be it portrait or title or whatever, but having at least something small and new to aim for instead of just repeat of previous Season(s) would be a nice niche carrot to chase.

I’m up for more rewards such as skins, I would rather see more fun gameplay. You can throw as much rewards as you want I still won’t do it PVP stuff because it’s mindless and has no strategy.

If they add rewards I would like to see more cyborg armor with lights in the armor (not glowing aura) for the casual player and not the top x people.
Like the Late Allagan Armor with the ability to change the color of the lights.

It actually has strategy, but some of the reasons behind outcomes often feel obscure and bleak to the newcomer. You need to consistently play and get some experience to figure out some strategies with every job. When it comes to team strategies, you'll also see an immediate big difference between diamond and lower ranks with how much people are able to "follow" on CC or attacks and secure kills. It's like day and night, and this is just one example out of many.

Obviously some of the most obvious strategies (like sticking together and waiting for team mates to respawn) seem to still fly way over the heads of many though...

I am also completely against FOMO Top 100 rewards.

I am okay with them maybe locking it to Top 100 for one season and then make it available later for the other players through other means (crystal trophies for example) in the next season.

But I don't think FOMO rewards for only Top 100 players is the way to go.

Especially if you look at current Pvp leaderboards, it is often mostly the same people in the Top 100 for multiple seasons on each server. Those Top 100 people will not quit playing Pvp. They don't need extra incentives. But all the people below Top 100 are the people that will quit Pvp if they don't get any rewards.

Right now people who don't aim for Top 100 have almost no incentive to play Ranked. But I can tell you that the current Top 100 people on each server will still play 5 seasons into the future.

Also regarding Ultimates: Currently on FFXIVCollect 3,9% of players have the title for finishing DSR Ultimate, wheras 0,1 % of players have the title for Top 100 in PVP Ranked. This is a huge difference! This makes the PVP titles 39 times harder to obtain than finishing DSR. So TOP 100 rewards cannot be compared to Ultimates, because Ultimate rewards are 39 times easier to obtain than PVP rewards (if they were locked to Top 100).

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Originally Posted by TimotheusReed

I am also completely against FOMO Top 100 rewards.

I am okay with them maybe locking it to Top 100 for one season and then make it available later for the other players through other means (crystal trophies for example) in the next season.

But I don't think FOMO rewards for only Top 100 players is the way to go.

Especially if you look at current Pvp leaderboards, it is often mostly the same people in the Top 100 for multiple seasons on each server. Those Top 100 people will not quit playing Pvp. They don't need extra incentives. But all the people below Top 100 are the people that will quit Pvp if they don't get any rewards.

Right now people who don't aim for Top 100 have almost no incentive to play Ranked. But I can tell you that the current Top 100 people on each server will still play 5 seasons into the future.

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I respect your thoughts on how you feel about Top 100 rewards remaining seasonally unique (aka what you call FOMO) and won't try to change your opinion on this, but I don't think it would be good to re-distribute seasonal rewards this soon after they came out. It would set a precedent of "well it is gonna be available in 2 months for much less effort, why should I play and compete in ranked right now?" (unless the method would once again be Ranked and Ranked only).

That said, I think your "for the past x seasons its the same people on top 100, therefore it is not worth to design rewards for Top 100" is a strawman argument.

The reason why it is the "same people" is because it is the core players trying their best to keep the mode alive, from dedication to the thing they love. It wouldn't remain the same people on the board if there was something to play for to knock the top off the board and compete for desirable rewards.

Ranked isn't just for us veterans - it needs fresh blood and as you said, the lack of incentive is why hardly anyone picks up the craft over doing the other PvP modes.

And obviously, it doesn't take "just" top 100 rewards. Ranked should be desirable for high-end pvpers in top 100 down to bronze alike, so even if you score low in a season you can accumulate currency / tokens over time to get something desirable. The "what" is debatable though.

But for sure - the game does not run on glory and sweat, it needs reason.

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Originally Posted by TimotheusReed

Also regarding Ultimates: Currently on FFXIVCollect 3,9% of players have the title for finishing DSR Ultimate, wheras 0,1 % of players have the title for Top 100 in PVP Ranked. This is a huge difference! This makes the PVP titles 39 times harder to obtain than finishing DSR. So TOP 100 rewards cannot be compared to Ultimates, because Ultimate rewards are 39 times easier to obtain than PVP rewards (if they were locked to Top 100).

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Adressing this in a separate post:

PVE anything (so Ultimate as well) is incomparable to PVP ranked leaderboards. At most, you could consider the World 1st-100th inofficial rankings something to compare, as this would once again be a form of PVP (beating other teams in time).

It isn't that they are XY times harder to obtain, it is simply limited surplus gated by skill and teamplay. Anyone can be top 100 with enough dedication and practice, arguably faster than they can clear one or multiple ultimates from scratch.

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

I’m up for more rewards such as skins, I would rather see more fun gameplay. You can throw as much rewards as you want I still won’t do it PVP stuff because it’s mindless and has no strategy.

If they add rewards I would like to see more cyborg armor with lights in the armor (not glowing aura) for the casual player and not the top x people.
Like the Late Allagan Armor with the ability to change the color of the lights.

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As Valence commented prior, CC DOES have strategy, but so does FL and RW. The thing is that 80% of the players are there to just mindlessly kill things and collect tomes so they don't use any strategy to actually win games, so strategy is less impactful unless you have a team willing to listen. With a good strategy, like sandwiching the right team at the right time at certain choke points, you can absolutely turn the tide of matches in FL (from last place with a huge deficit into a victory). You don't need 3 alliances to guard a tomelith (SR) or wait for Ovoos (Onsal) to spawn in your "safety" zone if the two other factions are fighting it out somewhere. Your team can be sandwiching or killing strays to get more pts and also to lessen enemy pts. PvP = be idle as LITTLE as possible, always be moving or doing something that can be beneficial (don't yolo feed obviously) to your team except in special circumstances. THE BEST DEFENSE IS A GREAT OFFENSE (if the enemy is pressured too much, they can't muster an attack against you). If someone tries to backcap in SR, have the people that just died to take it back when they revive, you don't need the whole alliance to pullback or afk at the tome to play "defense" (except in special circumstances). But there is always RNGesus which can mess with all that in varying degrees, just gotta adjust to each situation.

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Originally Posted by Elfidan

Everyone need to stop repeating every word and phrase they hear. Top 100/30 rewards are not FOMO. Fear of missing out implies anyone could have done it if they had been playing. That's like saying Olympic medals are FOMO. The series sets mounts etc. are FOMO until they actually reoffer them.

Ultimate is literally 1% of the player base and they see that as a reasonable use of dev time. Can you actually produce a count for the number of people competing for top 100/30 across all data centers, or are we just taking 100/30 X the number of Data centers? Your reasoning has some holes in it.

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p sure they're not making anymore Ultimates after the whole world first thing.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

p sure they're not making anymore Ultimates after the whole world first thing.

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We'll always have the memes... 😂

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Originally Posted by Elfidan

We'll always have the memes... ������

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of of course we will! lmfao!