Crackpot Theory: Thancred will become a Reaper

1. He lacks the use of his own Aether due to the events of ARR.

Garleans lack the use of their own Aether because of an unknown genetic defect preventing them from doing so. And so, during the days before the invention and mass production of magitek, the Garleans relied on making a pact with Voidsent in order to gain the ability to not only manipulate Aether, but also bolster their own physical strength.

2. The Lemure, the quest givers and one of the very last living Reapers, is based in Ul'dah.

Thancred was previously stationed in Ul'dah by the Circle of Knowing during 1.0 and again by the Scions during ARR.

3. Reapers are the dark assassin equivalents of Rogue and Ninja. And have a long history of using their unique a ability to manipulate void magicks in order to silently infiltrate enemy kingdoms and assassinate their leaders.

Thancred is a highly experienced Rogue, throughly trained in the arts during his academic days in Old Sharlyan and was our main man, besides Riol and the Doman refugees, to go on frequent infiltration missions into enemy territories. One of the most notable ones being the captial of Garlemald before its destruction at the hands of Zenos and Fandaniel.

4. Thancred has experience with possession. He was possessed by Lahabrea during ARR.

Experienced Reapers have extensive experience when it comes to allowing their voidsent called the Avatar, possess them temporarily in order boost their own power even further, though without the Reaper themselves losing control of their mind or body.

Please for the love of god let the Scions retire.

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They just need to retire the Scions and create a new storyline with all new heroes on other worlds. Our world has been saved and they need to end the storyline of it. Only have minor questlines in it after 6.0.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Please for the love of god let the Scions retire.

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CHARACTERS
PLEASE

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^- This, give us new characters to meet! I can't stand the scions anymore and how they bring them out one by one each patch (or two for the twins) to parade them around, especially Y'shtola delivering exposition every five seconds now. We can't find stuff out or theorize no catmommy already knows it all.

I can't survive another expansion full of faked deaths and big (not really) surprises at the end that everyone is still alive. I think Y'shtola got sliced and "killed" and send into the aetherial sea now in each expansion.

And tbh Zero isn't really a great substitute for fresh influence on the group when she is like a child who doesn't understand basic concepts. I kinda expected a bit more than us teaching a half voidsent the meaning of friendship and food.

all the other things people have said aside.

You're not wrong on how it would make perfect sense on how it would be beneficial for Thancred in a Numbersway(LopporitTM)

He would have to trade the tank and scouting gear for Maiming, which tbh, lesser tank armor was shared with dragoons/Lancers in the past.

And tbh, it would make people question his accepting nature to let a voidsent take over him/enhance him in many ways, specially after all he's gone through. Would be basically the opposite of Min/Ryn, only consensual without an ascian in the mix.


As to what others said, it's kinda irrelevant to the question/idea you had, since you're mentioning your thought process on thancreds 1+1 gains on if he was.<though I see reapers more hitman in the explosiveness, than from the shadows as Nins.>[Nins literally hide/sneak, whilst Reapers jump across openings in plain sight.]


In either case, we have no idea if the devs would ever give the idea any thought ever.
and they've cemented GNB into him deeply, unless he takes a breather and something new comes along to spur a crossclass change into him.

But we don't know how long we get to keep Zero, or what new characters we will get.
[Love the Scions and other characters, but we need to Make New Blood.]

But... but if you change Thancred's class, who will tank my Duty Support runs? ;_;

(and don't say G'raha Tia, he's my healer!)

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Please for the love of god let the Scions retire.

NEW
CHARACTERS
PLEASE

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They arnt going to. Not all of them at least. Thancred is probably the only one who MIGHT retire, but its just as likely as the others.
And to note, every expansion we DO get new characters. But they are temps as they are tied to their expansions & homelands.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Please for the love of god let the Scions retire.

NEW
CHARACTERS
PLEASE

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FEMROE companion or I’ll burn Limsa to the ground.
We got enough cats.

Thancred should've died in Amh Araeng.

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Originally Posted by weebtext

Thancred should've died in Amh Araeng.

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Y’shtola should have died in the pit. Thancred at least doesn’t come back from the dead and is a more believable character.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

They arnt going to. Not all of them at least. Thancred is probably the only one who MIGHT retire, but its just as likely as the others.
And to note, every expansion we DO get new characters. But they are temps as they are tied to their expansions & homelands.

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Don't you know? The Scions suck and they serve no purpose now.

Jokes aside they'll never fully retire them and even if they did folks would still complain about the new characters anyways

Thancred will become a Reaper, Urianger will become a Dancer who will always prioritize Thancred for his partner, Estinien becomes a White Mage, and Alphinaud becomes a Warrior. Meet your 7.0 cast, everyone!

Crackpot theory for sure. I think Zero becoming a permanent Scion is more likely than Thancred dropping the gunblade.

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Originally Posted by SpiritedMare

But... but if you change Thancred's class, who will tank my Duty Support runs? ;_;

(and don't say G'raha Tia, he's my healer!)

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Exactly this. They can't remove/retire Thancred or change his class from Gunbreaker until/unless they give us another dedicated tank role support/trust character to take his place. They've painted themselves into a corner with regards to what they can do with the Scions at this point due to the support/trust system, unless they give us someone else in exchange.

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Originally Posted by alibutterfly

Exactly this. They can't remove/retire Thancred or change his class from Gunbreaker until/unless they give us another dedicated tank role support/trust character to take his place. They've painted themselves into a corner with regards to what they can do with the Scions at this point due to the support/trust system, unless they give us someone else in exchange.

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I really have to agree with this point. It very much seems like the trust system makes it more difficult to swap cast members.

This would be interesting.

I don't believe they will retire all Scions as part of the Trust for 7.0, but I strongly believe Thancred will be the first one to stay behind.
His arc has been over since 5.3. I can understand why they didn't change the group for Endwalker, since it was the end of a story they were in for from the start. Now the page is turning I do believe they will let one, two or maybe three of the original Scions leave the Trust roster to replace them with new ones. For sure Krile will replace someone. And while everyone keeps saying Zero will be in it, I have a suspicion she will not stick around after the current patch arc wraps up. Likewise I don't think Vrtra will stay in the party after his sister is rescued. He is, afterall, in a ruling position and treats Thavnair as his family so he can't play adventurer forever.

Why does Thancred need to be a Reaper when Zero could clearly join the Scions?

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

and they've cemented GNB into him deeply, unless he takes a breather and something new comes along to spur a crossclass change into him.

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I think this might be the case, if my crackpot theory ever comes to pass. Y'shtola brought back her Conjury magicks in 6.1. Something I very much liked, as it made me think the Scions, whenever/whichever one pops up to join us on whatever journey we're on at the moment, could at least be allowed toswitch between two classes they either have extensive experience in already or a completely new job to shake things up.

doubt it. seems more likely Zero is becoming a permament member

I don't think Thancred would like the idea of something controlling him, he has a trauma of being controlled.

I think having a Voidsent is out of the question. Besides we have Zero already,they are trying to make everyone different while before we had 3 Arcanists.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Why does Thancred need to be a Reaper when Zero could clearly join the Scions?

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Bingo! But even if she ends up not joining them, that doesn't necessarily open up positions for reapers with the Scions. I could also come up with counter arguments for each of the OPs cases:

1. Thancred has already circumvented his inability to manipulate aether, and is one of the strongest among the Scions. He's also not a Garlean.

2. The quest giver is based in Ul'dah. However, the reapers are based in Garlemald.

3. While the rogue class stems down to his roots and he still exerts their methods from time to time particularly when infiltration is required, Thancred walks the path of protector/defender now. It is very fitting for him considering his fatherly demeanor, which is what he has always been known for. Forging pacts with voidscent seems more like a desperate measure that he would only take if it strengthened his ability to protect those he cares for.

4. Possession, and being possessed is more of a deterrent for someone like Thancred. Not motivation.

Furthermore on possession, I find it odd that it's called that if the reaper maintains control. That's not how possession works. While I don't play reaper or ever really plan to, it seems to me that the avatar augments the reaper's abilities through binding themselves to their master rather than outright possessing them. How Zero describes her pact with Zenos makes a strong case for this. That neither here or there though. Just an observation.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Furthermore on possession, I find it odd that it's called that if the reaper maintains control. That's not how possession works. While I don't play reaper or ever really plan to, it seems to me that the avatar augments the reaper's abilities through binding themselves to their master rather than outright possessing them. How Zero describes her pact with Zenos makes a strong case for this. That neither here or there though. Just an observation.

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I highly recommend you just go through the Reaper story, the antagonist reveled in its power became greedy and the Voidsent merged with him over the years and took control assuming the identity of the antagonist..
If the host isn't strong enough, the Voidsent can take over and this goes back to the topic of Thancred not liking the thought of having a being that can take over him if that said Voidsent becomes too powerful.

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Originally Posted by OM3GA-Z3RO

I highly recommend you just go through the Reaper story, the antagonist reveled in its power became greedy and the Voidsent merged with him over the years and took control assuming the identity of the antagonist..
If the host isn't strong enough, the Voidsent can take over and this goes back to the topic of Thancred not liking the thought of having a being that can take over him if that said Voidsent becomes too powerful.

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I'll have to take a pass, but that does make sense and now that you mention it I do recall hearing or reading how the avatar can take over fully. Considering how powerful the WoL and Zenos are, there aren't going to be too many, if any voidscent strong enough to take them over. Possession still involves a complete loss of control over one's body, though I do think the mind can still be intact, i.e. the one possessed still maintains their consciousness. While they do not have control over their motor skills, they can't do anything about it. Iirc this was the case with Thancred when possessed by Lahabrea, and all the more reason why he would reject any notion of being a reaper.

Scions: Exist

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Originally Posted by hynaku

They just need to retire the Scions and create a new storyline with all new heroes on other worlds. Our world has been saved and they need to end the storyline of it. Only have minor questlines in it after 6.0.

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I agree with the Scions need to retire or at least take a break from them. What I don't agree with is going to other worlds. There are sections of our world we have yet to explore. Let us explore those instead of going to other shards again.

I rather they incorporate Zero into the next storyline. She already feels there's no point in going back to the Thirteenth as it's just a hostile void, so she could go along on our next journey as for something to do and learn about our world.

It's not like we'll be able to save the Void and turn it back into what it once was. We'll just save Azdaja and defeat the big baddy and that'll lead us to our 7.0 destination (I'm expecting we'll follow Azdaja to Meracydia).

No voidsent is going to enter into a compact with a mortal incapable of manipulating aether.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

No voidsent is going to enter into a compact with a mortal incapable of manipulating aether.

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....The Garlean race's whole thing is that they can't manipulate aether. They invented the reaper arts.

The Scions, as characters, will not be retired until they die/are removed from the story by equitable event like Minfilia was. They've been written to be too important to just be casually thrown away and ignored like they don't exist now. I can see a new cast being introduced alongside them but anyone expecting next expansion to ditch the old squad entirely is pipe dreaming. We'll have like almost certainly 5/7 of old scions still present in the new squad, whatever it is, with maybe one or two being absent (most likely Thancred and Urianger, but potentially twins instead) and their spots being filled by Zero and Krile. Or something along those lines. Also, one of them gets a new job possibly.

I would be okay IF Krile becomes a beastmaster.

I think we might keep our new friend in the MSQ so I don’t think Thancred will switch to RPR. I like him as a GBR. Honestly, I can’t see any of the current MSQ cast switching jobs. I think we might get some new characters instead or some familiar friends from the past. Maybe someone who uses guns and wears a moonward top of aiming perhaps?

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

....The Garlean race's whole thing is that they can't manipulate aether. They invented the reaper arts.

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Don't want to derail the OP's topic but it's why Reaper lore no longer makes sense as of 6.2. SE screwed up there.

Either way, Thancred has made it clear he never wants to experience being possessed again. No Reaper for him.

I think it's more likely that Zero will join the team and potentially get access to DRK so you can have her dps or tank in trusts (cause gotta keep her edgy dontcha know =P)