I'm curious on what yall think about anything that needs changed on the THM & BLM class/job. I would love to see certain spells and traits reworked or replaced.
1. Resonance - worthless
2. Dark Seal - not bad, but i think it could be more useful or reworked to not be wasted on my bar
3. Flare - I like the spell, but PBAoE isn't what I want from this long casting spell.
4. Sleepga - In place of making Flare a ranged AoE, i could see this being closer to PBAoE, but if it were it would need a larger AoE radius IMO.
5. BLM additional actions - I don't mind Pugilist skills because of the Second Wind skill, but I don't have any use for archer skills.
6. Trait order - why have enfeebling magic traits start at lvl 12 and sleep start at 42, i kind of understand it with spells like blizzard, however i don't feel those are as important as sleep and would suggest the order be reworked to help lower level classes better than the lvl 50's
7. Dark Seal Trait - If Dark Seal gets reworked or replaced, this would obviously either need replaced or possibly reworked depending. I really don't see why you would need it once every minute anyways. If it made it more important like for any spell in the time it lasts, that'd be another thing and wouldn't mind using dark seal more if it lasted long enough.
That's what I would like to see from the skills and traits. I don't have many complaints about it other than that, and wish there was more armor for them sometimes. Like class armor (compared to job armor) or other things that could even be put into quests. I wouldn't mind seeing some class spell quests too. We already have plenty of spells, but who wouldn't mind something like some of the spells they already reworked or replaced. Kind of like poison, shock shield, or even other spells that could be beneficial to a point. With them thinking about more classes/jobs and adding more spells to jobs, I would think adding some optional spells wouldn't be a bad idea to add to the drawing board.
Course with the more spells the greater the need for better hotbar and hotkey management.
Feedback on THM and BLM?
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06-13-2012, 10:13 AMDakreFeedback on THM and BLM?
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06-13-2012, 10:30 AMMasamune1004Chameleon and Quelling Strike are quite useful.Quote:
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06-13-2012, 10:43 AMSkiesIf you're not using Quelling Strike and Chameleon, your tank is going to murder you (they're enmity reducers/enmity dumps)Quote:
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06-13-2012, 10:51 AMJinrya-Geki
My opinion on Black Mage/Thaumaturge:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l-Spell-Reform -
06-13-2012, 11:48 AMIcecyleeIf I recall correctly, the Enfeebling Potency stats actually only effects the added status riders that piggy back on damage moves, where as sleep runs off of magic accuracy.Quote:
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As far as general thoughts. THM is definitely the most boring class to play, even if it's one of the most effective. -
06-13-2012, 01:56 PMDakreThat's what I was thinking, but figured it had to have some effect to sleep, or it's really not very useful IMO. sure heavy and bind can help, but do we really need those traits for what little use they feel like they get? Kind of like you said, not very fun in that sense. Not a lot of CC spells, but enough to work with solo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Icecylee
Also as far as Chameleon and quelling strike goes, that's if you're in a group and require those to reduce enmity. I tend to solo, so what use do i have for them still? I don't say I can't use any archer ability, but i have no use for them. So being limited to those 2 classes including Thaumaturge doesn't exactly ring solo friendly. The Enmity reducers are nice and i wouldn't say get rid of it, but i'm sure there are other ways they can handle the additional actions that allow for better solo play compared to focusing more on group play.
They focused too much on group play in FF11 and IMO it's not very fun because of that. I would almost go Red Mage if they added it and it included better solo play for a mage. -
06-13-2012, 02:53 PMMasamune1004Ummm.... jobs are for group play lol.Quote:
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It's an MMO, not a single player game. There's gonna be a lot of group play, it comes with the genre.Quote:
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06-13-2012, 02:56 PMTuranga_Leela
Does quelling strike reduce enmity from spells or just WS?
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06-13-2012, 02:58 PMMasamune1004Spells too.Quote:
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06-13-2012, 09:38 PMSkiesAha, and here is the one and only problem. Thing is, Black Mage is specifically designed with working in a team rather than solo. In fact despite whatever the reality is, the design space is that Jobs are better for groups since their weak points can be covered by others and Classes are far more solo-friendly since you can cross-class more skills.Quote:
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So yes, you are far better with Thaumaturge (for Cure/Protect/Stoneskin) when soloing, and that is part of the design intent. -
06-13-2012, 11:46 PMREDace0By an equivalent of 150 damage in fact (net 131 since the ability adds 19 enmity).Quote:
Originally Posted by Masamune1004
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06-14-2012, 12:07 AMREDace0
I thought I would respond to all your points at once, even though others have said some of this, just so the feedback is all in one place.
I actually use this quite a lot. It's a very large range increase. Great for starting a combo on approaching mobs early (as in caravan defense). Also could be useful for precision pulling. My favorite use it coupling with Dark Seal and high m.acc gear for a long-range guaranteed enemy naptime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakre
It really is a bland skill. I use it when it's up to guarantee Thundara hits on Ifrit or for guaranteed sleeps in other contexts. Might be better if we had low-accuracy spells and it guaranteed a hit rather than just raising m.acc.Quote:
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I think the short range, by design, requires the BLM to take on some risk to pull off this high-damage spell. The casting time is just a second or two too long though.Quote:
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There's Blizzara for when you're surrounded and need to run, although without stunning it's not as useful. You can use it as a local AoE by targeting a nearby enemy, but it has use at range too, so why nerf it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakre
Quelling Strike lives on my primary bar next to Excruciate. It's that important. Chameleon is supposedly very nice, but I don't have it so I just have to manage my enmity. Decoy is useful sometimes: dodges magic or ranged like Featherfoot dodges physical, but costs MP instead of giving it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakre
It's counterintuitive, but as others have said Sleep is affected by m.acc. Blizzard is very useful in some fights, and you want Blizzara to bind when you have to use it. Enfeebling potency is also hard to gear for, so these traits enable a naturally good proc rate on these effects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakre
Yes. I could see other good effects rather than reducing recast time. The only time I spam Dark Seal is during Ifrit.Quote:
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Funny you should mention better ability UI along with the request for more diverse spells, as both of those are planned for 2.0. We do have Class gear now (Vanya set, Astrolabe), even if it is costly. It would be strange to have ability quests for classes at this point, because jobs specifically have progression-by-quest as something that makes them distinct.Quote:
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In any case, thanks for the discussion. -
06-14-2012, 02:27 PMMalixI agree. If anything archer is more useful than pug.Quote:
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06-20-2012, 02:22 PMDakreAnd thank you, mainly posted thoughts and discussed this in order to get some feedback, which is everywhere but without feedback ideas can't be formed :) Just opinions until actual ideas come to mind. Just something i'm working on.Quote:
Originally Posted by REDace0
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06-26-2012, 02:42 PMEphemeral_Nightsmore useful? yeah, i'd agree with you there, but give pug skills some credit. second wind is great to use right after convert or after a primal's 2hr or whatever the heck you wanna call them. it helps the whm a fair bit seeing as they can keep up with the tank and dont have to worry too much about the blms in the party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malix