Add Eureka/Bozja to Daily Challenges Roulette

Since we're not getting anything similar this expansion, this is a petition thread to request that all the Eureka and Bozja zones be added as a queue that rotates through each zone daily in the manner that frontlines currently does. One day it's Anemos, then next day it's Pagos, then Pyros, then Hydatos, then Southern Front and lastly Zadnor. Upon entering via the duty roulette queue, you get a short list of objectives to complete within the zone to recieve the reward as described further down in this post to increase zone activity and help newer players clearing the zone for the first time.

*EDIT* I would like to further specify that this be an addition via the duty finder while not removing the existing manner of entering zones so new players doing these zones for the first time can still do these zones at their own pace. The goal is to revive activity in this content by funneling players via the duty finder into the existing zone instances. Thereby giving new players some days during the week where they can see the zones active as they originally were on launch and providing veterans rewards/achievement opportunities.*EDIT*

I would also like to request that DR receives its own challenge roulette queue as it's required for Bozja completion, and it would greatly aid getting new players through the instances.


For the Eureka zones, make the completion requirement somewhere between 6-8 FATEs per zone. This might require the spawn rate for FATEs to be adjusted.

Since Bozja is a bit more developed than Eureka is in FATE department, make the completion requirement for Bozja Zones:

Must complete two of the three objectives:
5 Skirmishes
3 Critical Engagements
1 Castrum Lacus Litore/The Dalriada



Upon completing the objectives, give the players the option to remain in the zone (to provide opportunities for people to commit to content like Baldesion Arsenal or Duels). Completion rewards should be something along the lines of:

1. Large amount of instance related EXP
2. Large amount of current job EXP
3. Additional Eureka/Bozja Actions/Currencies/Eureka Experience/Mettle
4. Tomestone currency based on your job level. (Including current end-game raid ones if on a max level job.)

I like the idea. I'm for the addition if they ever add it.

I need to run back in there one of these days to finish getting my last 2 notes for the mount and the titles. I do agree though they should add some sort of bonus.

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Originally Posted by McChaffee

Upon completing the objectives, give the players the option to remain in the zone (to provide opportunities for people to commit to content like Baldesion Arsenal or Duels). Completion rewards should be something along the lines of:

1. Large amount of instance related EXP
2. Large amount of current job EXP
3. Additional Eureka/Bozja Actions/Currencies
4. Tomestone currency based on your job level. (Including current end-game raid ones if on a max level job.)

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Zadnor already offers plenty already. End-game tomes aren't worth putting on there, as they cap easily. People have enough items and such to get. I think it just needs time to refill as many spent a lot of time in there during Shb.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Zadnor already offers plenty already. End-game tomes aren't worth putting on there, as they cap easily. People have enough items and such to get. I think it just needs time to refill as many spent a lot of time in there during Shb.

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There's no reason not to include Zadnor in a queue if the rest of the zones get added into a queue since it falls into the same category as them and is a direct continuation of Southern Front which would be in the queue. There's also no reason not to include endgame tomestones as alliance raids fall into a similar queue niche of large scale PvE content and this would be similar. There's little to no incentive to step back into these zones after you complete the relevant story and received all the rewards you want; hence a daily roulette would be a great addition to bring back players who might not have touched it again. Furthermore, adding a queue like this could also be used to tie this content to moogle tomestone events. Which is just a huge net positive.

I would also like to add, that SE has a bad track record of supporting zones like this. The Diadem was straight-up removed from the game and later added back in as a crafting zone because it was dead content. It would be good to have a rotating queue to keep all of these content areas active in general as there are some legitimately excellent encounters in these zones and their raids.

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Originally Posted by McChaffee

There's no reason not to include Zadnor in a queue if the rest of the zones get added into a queue since it falls into the same category as them and is a direct continuation of Southern Front which would be in the queue. There's also no reason not to include endgame tomestones as alliance raids fall into a similar queue niche of large scale PvE content and this would be similar. There's little to no incentive to step back into these zones after you complete the relevant story and received all the rewards you want; hence a daily roulette would be a great addition to bring back players who might not have touched it again. Furthermore, adding a queue like this could also be used to tie this content to moogle tomestone events. Which is just a huge net positive.

I would also like to add, that SE has a bad track record of supporting zones like this. The Diadem was straight-up removed from the game and later added back in as a crafting zone because it was dead content. It would be good to have a rotating queue to keep all of these content areas active in general as there are some legitimately excellent encounters in these zones and their raids.

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People return to zones for items and to enjoy it all over again. There's little to further incentivize people imo.

It's not just SE, but any developer will generally leave something like this alone after a new expansion drops. It's very inefficient to keep going back to these old projects while the players demand newer content.

What happened with Diadem was unfortunate, but they were able to salvage it and make it into something better.

Also, to address the idea of Duty Finder, I don't see them taking that approach with something like this. Anyone that actually wants to go to any of this content will specifically choose what it is they want to play. If they need more bodies, there are discord communities to find people to do this content. I don't want to see resources wasted in this manner and I'm sure they don't want to waste resources in this manner.

These zones are meant to be played for an hour or two at a time. People have a hard enough time queueing for alliance roulette with the longer time spent in zone, they're definitely not going to queue for something like this. Furthermore, people can easily abandon the duty because there's no penalty for leaving if they don't get what they like.

100% support, should have been in there since inception.

EXP til max rank then mettle after to incentivize.

I agree with Deveryn on this one. This doesn't incentivize Bozja/Zadnor content; it obligates those to run them who would otherwise not care to do so. Bozja/Zadnor was supposed to survive on its own merit. They put way too much time and effort into it to reduce it to a roulette chore.

Would make it easier to get parties so sure

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Would make it easier to get parties so sure

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Discord made it easier from the start. DC travel made it better since. Again, they shouldn't have to waste time and energy on something we can handle ourselves. If you still find yourself wanting to run this, there are surely enough like-minded people out there you can find before they could ever push an update.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Discord made it easier from the start. DC travel made it better since. Again, they shouldn't have to waste time and energy on something we can handle ourselves. If you still find yourself wanting to run this, there are surely enough like-minded people out there you can find before they could ever push an update.

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Deveryn, people are scary ok?

JK that sounds like a good solution.

I agree with the time and energy wasted, I don’t care that much to be honest, Im barely ever in Bozja, just want people to be happy.

You know what would entice me to go back to Bozja/Eureka? Reaper and Sage weapons. Juuuuust saying. 8)

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

If they need more bodies, there are discord communities to find people to do this content.

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I completely disagree with this logic because you basically just described the state of Rival Wings.

While we're at it, put stuff like Delubrum Reginae normal in the alliance raid roulette and have an npc at the start who just hands you essences for like 1 gil so people can get in there more and actually enjoy themselves playing the game mode and maybe help some first timers out too. "Just use discord" is such a lazy excuse for people to hand to square. They're a 2 billion dollar company that extracts your money every month, let THEM do the job of making their own content relevant again. Even when you put up a PF, assuming you can even get 8 people during primetime, you just wait in queue for 10 mandatory minutes, zone in, and wow wouldn't you know it. There's nobody else there. Imagine blowing money and devtime on content that you know is gonna be hella abandoned in like a year, when you could avoid that by just throwing it in the roulette.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

While we're at it, put stuff like Delubrum Reginae normal in the alliance raid roulette and have an npc at the start who just hands you essences for like 1 gil so people can get in there more and actually enjoy themselves playing the game mode and maybe help some first timers out too.

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You could hand out the consumables for free and people would find a way to justify not using them. We'd be better off if they just dunked on the HP pools so bosses die in a more reasonable time frame. Keep twice-come-ruin cause it's a funny mechanic though. 8)

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Originally Posted by hobostew

You could hand out the consumables for free and people would find a way to justify not using them. We'd be better off if they just dunked on the HP pools so bosses die in a more reasonable time frame. Keep twice-come-ruin cause it's a funny mechanic though. 8)

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I've actually given people essences to use when I hosted my own runs, and they used them. If tools are accessible, I think only the dumbest moron would be like "no thanks" (but yeah those people do exist, for sure)

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

I've actually given people essences to use when I hosted my own runs, and they used them. If tools are accessible, I think only the dumbest moron would be like "no thanks" (but yeah those people do exist, for sure)

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I met one of those in the past, once. Funded their fragments lasting for possibly a month, then the next week of our DRn run they said they sold it because 'It doesn't do much anyway.'

Since then, I prefer to just teach/guide people how to farm their own to give them a good start.

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Originally Posted by McChaffee

I completely disagree with this logic because you basically just described the state of Rival Wings.

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People are running it and enjoying it. (Every day, there's a DC to hop to for Rival wings.) What is the problem? Maybe you should actually try this out first before bashing it like it's some heinous act.

Should they also add roulette for other activities? Maybe you roulette for an FC or a venue. Sometimes you just need to do things yourself.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

I met one of those in the past, once. Funded their fragments lasting for possibly a month, then the next week of our DRn run they said they sold it because 'It doesn't do much anyway.'

Since then, I prefer to just teach/guide people how to farm their own to give them a good start.

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Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo

Had an experience where I farmed up fragments for newer folks for a couple of hours and they ended up selling them ;) I never played with them again lol

Sorry for your loss!

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Jesus, every time I'm optimistic about the community I read stories like these and remember why things are the way they are sometimes.
We literally would get a dumbed down version of it, wouldn't we. They wouldn't trust us to use essences even if they were free, because people are too stupid to just read what they do and have fun with them.

Either way though, would be dope if they added it to the alliance roulette.

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Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo

Had an experience where I farmed up fragments for newer folks for a couple of hours and they ended up selling them ;) I never played with them again lol

Sorry for your loss!

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By 'guiding', I mean I will assist them on their first frag farms while making sure they know how to do the same in the future. The frags they've amassed on that first time farm are theirs entirely, I don't care what they do with those. Either use them for themself 100%, sell 50% of them, or sell all of them, it's their right. I'm just content knowing that I've taught them the 'how'. If they still cry in the future well that's on them (gladly nobody that I've known does :D... yet).

I didn't do that on the anecdote I wrote and I regretted it.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

[...]Either way though, would be dope if they added it to the alliance roulette.

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While I would be happy to see more variety in AR roulette, I'm worried that to make it possible, they'll just outright remove the LA system, which is a major reason why I love running Eureka/BSF contents. :(

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

While I would be happy to see more variety in AR roulette, I'm worried that to make it possible, they'll just outright remove the LA system, which is a major reason why I love running Eureka/BSF contents. :(

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one way of addressing that would be to make a new roulette with DR and the Dalriada. That way, when you queue you know what to expect and can prepare adequately. I would definitely queue for that regularly.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

People are running it and enjoying it. (Every day, there's a DC to hop to for Rival wings.) What is the problem? Maybe you should actually try this out first before bashing it like it's some heinous act.

Should they also add roulette for other activities? Maybe you roulette for an FC or a venue. Sometimes you just need to do things yourself.

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I think the point is that content should be proofed enough that outside communication methods aren't needed to accomplish it. I'm usually in the camp of "just use discord" but lately I'm starting to see the viewpoint of those who think the devs should provide ways to accomplish the content without it. More incentives should be applied to give people a reason to return to the content and tossing it into a roulette isn't a bad idea imo.

It's understandable for savage runs of DR to be formed out of the game because you actually need everyone listening and on the same page to get the clear with the limit on raises it has plus just how chaotic it can quickly become. Normal runs of DR, Castrum and Dal I don't think really *need* to be kept to Discord in the same fashion.

Ultimately putting those 3 specifically into roulettes would be nice for those still trying to wrap up achievements. The zone activities themselves are another story as the devs really need to put in a reason for those who have finished to return.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I think the point is that content should be proofed enough that outside communication methods aren't needed to accomplish it. I'm usually in the camp of "just use discord" but lately I'm starting to see the viewpoint of those who think the devs should provide ways to accomplish the content without it. More incentives should be applied to give people a reason to return to the content and tossing it into a roulette isn't a bad idea imo.

It's understandable for savage runs of DR to be formed out of the game because you actually need everyone listening and on the same page to get the clear with the limit on raises it has plus just how chaotic it can quickly become. Normal runs of DR, Castrum and Dal I don't think really *need* to be kept to Discord in the same fashion.

Ultimately putting those 3 specifically into roulettes would be nice for those still trying to wrap up achievements. The zone activities themselves are another story as the devs really need to put in a reason for those who have finished to return.

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Like I said earlier, discord was used from the start in Bozja (and likely Eureka. I've only been around for so long.) We made coordinated efforts to queue up for CLL, as not everyone was doing it (and not everyone was good at it). Some higher level of communication has always been necessary in these games for years and it's better that it's handled by third parties, rather than taking up time and resources in the game environment.

As far as Bozja goes, I believe the devs did plenty to facilitate completing the content. From content that originally required 48 people, they made allowances for fewer to participate and complete objectives. A party of 8 or less can do whatever they need to do. They shouldn't have to hold people's hands and shepherd them into these areas to complete content. Roulettes aren't the answer to everything. They're great for people doing smaller scale content, but as the controversial alliance roulette shows, people start to lose interest in objectives that take longer than 20 minutes.

If they were to actually port CLL, DR and Dal to a more compact format, then I could see having them be accessible some other way, but even then you're still at the mercy of people's actual desire to run the content and then we end up with threads complaining about queues. This is why we've been better off not having a new exploration zone this expansion. They need to take some time to make improvements to that system or possibly move away from it.

This whole idea is very lacking at the moment. You can't just throw stuff in a roulette and expect people to go for it just because of an excess of carrots added to the stick.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

one way of addressing that would be to make a new roulette with DR and the Dalriada. That way, when you queue you know what to expect and can prepare adequately. I would definitely queue for that regularly.

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One of the main reasons I made this post was to directly address some of the issues with the raid requirements in these zones. DR can be specifcally preped and queued for (however as mentioned in the thread, it really should have its own daily duty queue), but Dalriada requires you be in the zone to enter it, same with Castrum in Southern Front, which hasn't had anywhere close to full runs since 5.55 launched. While BA can be sepecifically preped and queued for, it's also not part of the zone story questline and thus not a hard requirement. As a result it's more so in the category of duels where having zone filled up with more players might offer more oppertunities at achievement completion. Which is something I'm completely fine with discord servers and groups being around for as it's not a hard requirement.

The main goal of a Eureka/Bozja roullette queue is to effectively boost player participation in the completion process of the zones to keep content relevant and provide new players a better experience. It would fill the same niche as the 50/60/70/80 dungeon queue.

Already out of stuff to do in 6.3 and kinda wishing I had more queues avalible to do right now.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

While we're at it, put stuff like Delubrum Reginae normal in the alliance raid roulette and have an npc at the start who just hands you essences for like 1 gil so people can get in there more and actually enjoy themselves playing the game mode and maybe help some first timers out too. "Just use discord" is such a lazy excuse for people to hand to square. They're a 2 billion dollar company that extracts your money every month, let THEM do the job of making their own content relevant again. Even when you put up a PF, assuming you can even get 8 people during primetime, you just wait in queue for 10 mandatory minutes, zone in, and wow wouldn't you know it. There's nobody else there. Imagine blowing money and devtime on content that you know is gonna be hella abandoned in like a year, when you could avoid that by just throwing it in the roulette.

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I think you'd cause more problems than you would solve because those are completely different formats of raids. Alliance Raids are much more structured and hold to roles more strictly. You'd get people who only did DR because they had to dropping because they were expecting the normal Alliance Raid format. If they do anything, they should find a way to get the instances into DF for these zones and make a roulette of that. Then people aren't blindsided by something like DR where they queued as a healer but there are no tanks so now they're expected to take on a different role using Lost Actions they may or may not have any real understanding of.

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Originally Posted by McChaffee

Since we're not getting anything similar this expansion, this is a petition thread to request that all the Eureka and Bozja zones be added as a queue that rotates through each zone daily in the manner that frontlines currently does. One day it's Anemos, then next day it's Pagos, then Pyros, then Hydatos, then Southern Front and lastly Zadnor. Upon entering via the duty roulette queue, you get a short list of objectives to complete within the zone to recieve the reward as described further down in this post to increase zone activity and help newer players clearing the zone for the first time.

*EDIT* I would like to further specify that this be an addition via the duty finder while not removing the existing manner of entering zones so new players doing these zones for the first time can still do these zones at their own pace. The goal is to revive activity in this content by funneling players via the duty finder into the existing zone instances. Thereby giving new players some days during the week where they can see the zones active as they originally were on launch and providing veterans rewards/achievement opportunities.*EDIT*

I would also like to request that DR receives its own challenge roulette queue as it's required for Bozja completion, and it would greatly aid getting new players through the instances.


For the Eureka zones, make the completion requirement somewhere between 6-8 FATEs per zone. This might require the spawn rate for FATEs to be adjusted.

Since Bozja is a bit more developed than Eureka is in FATE department, make the completion requirement for Bozja Zones:

Must complete two of the three objectives:
5 Skirmishes
3 Critical Engagements
1 Castrum Lacus Litore/The Dalriada



Upon completing the objectives, give the players the option to remain in the zone (to provide opportunities for people to commit to content like Baldesion Arsenal or Duels). Completion rewards should be something along the lines of:

1. Large amount of instance related EXP
2. Large amount of current job EXP
3. Additional Eureka/Bozja Actions/Currencies
4. Tomestone currency based on your job level. (Including current end-game raid ones if on a max level job.)

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5) Large amount of mettle

Yeah something like that is fine, my original post rewards are just kinda a general guideline for the request.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I think you'd cause more problems than you would solve because those are completely different formats of raids. Alliance Raids are much more structured and hold to roles more strictly. You'd get people who only did DR because they had to dropping because they were expecting the normal Alliance Raid format. If they do anything, they should find a way to get the instances into DF for these zones and make a roulette of that. Then people aren't blindsided by something like DR where they queued as a healer but there are no tanks so now they're expected to take on a different role using Lost Actions they may or may not have any real understanding of.

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I think providing essences to the player at the start of the run would solve a lot of these problems. If enough people kept doing it because it was in the roulette, I think the community would just figure out how to make it smooth. DRN isn't that hard. Failing that, the dutyfinder version of it could just stick to a more traditional 24-man party composition by forcing anyone who queues it through dutyfinder to have a typical party comp (i.e. no groups with 2 tanks, etc) and then grabbing parties in the same way it'd grab comps for any other 24man. Either way, at least people who want to do it would be able to just queue up, and the content barely anyone does would finally see some more play.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

You'd get people who only did DR because they had to dropping because they were expecting the normal Alliance Raid format.

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FWIW people get orbonne and leave because they want crystal tower, so my initial post was not overly concerned with appealing to people who queue a roulette with something specific in mind. With a full group using free damage essences, DRN would take like 20 minutes tops and drops rare jackpot items that are worth serious gil. I definitely won't speak for everyone, but I'd be queuing up the roulette and celebrating if I got DRN in that context.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

I think providing essences to the player at the start of the run would solve a lot of these problems. If enough people kept doing it because it was in the roulette, I think the community would just figure out how to make it smooth. DRN isn't that hard. Failing that, the dutyfinder version of it could just stick to a more traditional 24-man party composition by forcing anyone who queues it through dutyfinder to have a typical party comp (i.e. no groups with 2 tanks, etc) and then grabbing parties in the same way it'd grab comps for any other 24man. Either way, at least people who want to do it would be able to just queue up, and the content barely anyone does would finally see some more play.



FWIW people get orbonne and leave because they want crystal tower, so my initial post was not overly concerned with appealing to people who queue a roulette with something specific in mind. With a full group using free damage essences, DRN would take like 20 minutes tops and drops rare jackpot items that are worth serious gil. I definitely won't speak for everyone, but I'd be queuing up the roulette and celebrating if I got DRN in that context.

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They would at the least have to force traditional roles setup so there wasn't the cognitive dissonance of not being able to play the role you queued as. There also may be DF limitations that won't allow two different formats in that roulette.

But I still question the wisdom of shoehorning content with special requirements like essences that people don't seek out now into content that runs on a completely different format. Especially with the idea that people will just "figure it out". Seems like this idea is catering to the niche group that like this content (because if it was popular, wouldn't it be sought out more and be more active already?) at the expense of those who currently enjoy Alliance Roulette. That's why they should retool these special instances to be available on a roulette, but on their own roulette so anyone who chooses that roulette knows and agrees to what they're getting into.

Or retool them to just work like alliance raids instead of hoping people bother with this special roulette. Most of the mechanics aren't anything more complex than what we already see in ARs anyway the bosses just have an obscene amount of health to compensate for the essences.

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Originally Posted by hobostew

Or retool them to just work like alliance raids instead of hoping people bother with this special roulette. Most of the mechanics aren't anything more complex than what we already see in ARs anyway the bosses just have an obscene amount of health to compensate for the essences.

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You're forgetting the whole mess-up-two-mechs-and-KO part. They did enough fiddling around with those zones when they were current. Their time is better spent working on new things than trying to make these fit where they really don't.

Exploratory Roulette.

BA / CLL / DR

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Exploratory Roulette.

BA / CLL / DR

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BA is not even on the same level. That's more like DRS and you generally have people out in Eureka to help.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Exploratory Roulette.

BA / CLL / DR

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I actually mentioned BA in my original post as just being a bonus to the Eurkea queue if the queue featured Hydatos as the zone of the day. If it pops while in there, you have the opportunity to try it. I've also addressed CLL/Dalriada as being objectives for the zone queues so those are covered. DR would probably need its own queue since it's not tied to a zone. It's stuck in an awkward spot of not being directly tied to another instance like everything else.