I WANT MORE GARDEN SPACE

I literally cannot decorate my exterior house the way I want to, because we are limited to 20 items.

Im sick of hearing the excuse that oh its going to cause "lag" like that doesn't happen already with certain housing items.

Upgrade the servers and add more garden space for all plot sizes. 20 is not enough when I want to make an elaborate pathway in addition to my decorating needs. It feels like I have to choose between one detailed area or the whole yard feeling slightly bland.

And if you don't have a house I dont want to hear you say "well at least you have a yard" or "INSTANCED housing I dont care" because this isn't your thread.

I have a house and deal with these limitations. I would prefer them devote more server space to more housing than to more garden items, because there are still people without houses.

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

I have a house and deal with these limitations. I would prefer them devote more server space to more housing than to more garden items, because there are still people without houses.

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There's no reason they can't do both. At the very least they could start with enabling teleportation without the aetherite. We can already do it in our apartments, I'm sorry but I think your opinion is wrong.

Unless you have a small house you have no idea what this is like.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Unless you have a small house you have no idea what this is like.

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Had one for a year. Still felt this way back then.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

At the very least hey could start with enabling teleportation without the aetherite.

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100% agree on this.

I've been wanting it for years, I have a mansion and 40 slots are nothing and they just keep adding more decorations without expanding the capacity.


Another solution I've mentioned before would be "themes" like "Glamour Plates" but instead of clothing we would use them for outdoor/indoor decorations, this would allow us to easily change all furnishings at once according to the season without wasting time.


I hope the idea reaches the Producer.

Even without adding new slots they at least could free some slots up which are taken for basic functions.

The Aetherite is the worst offender. Just let us port to our house by default.

Bake the letter box into the sign outside the plot, I mean come on, it is already there:

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...g_Placard_.png


Let us utilize the slot for the little roof we can add to the house. They could add an Chocobo stable, gardening patch or training dummy we could place there.

Oh look at 1%ers complain that their caviar is from yesterday's catch and not today's.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I literally cannot decorate my exterior house the way I want to, because we are limited to 20 items.

Im sick of hearing the excuse that oh its going to cause "lag" like that doesn't happen already with certain housing items.

Upgrade the servers and add more garden space for all plot sizes. 20 is not enough when I want to make an elaborate pathway in addition to my decorating needs. It feels like I have to choose between one detailed area or the whole yard feeling slightly bland.

And if you don't have a house I dont want to hear you say "well at least you have a yard" or "INSTANCED housing I dont care" because this isn't your thread.

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I won't say lag.

I'll say rendering issues. Things are stuck like this for the foreseeable future. Get comfy.

Guess we don't care about that Luxury Garden problem.
Just a small amount Players owns a House.
All others have to live in a tiny Rat hole with a 100 Item Limit, no Garden, no Yard, not even a single Window that you could open to breath fresh Air.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

There's no reason they can't do both...

Unless you have a small house you have no idea what this is like.

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Tell you what. Instead of doing what I normally do, and being the party pooper contrarian by listing reasons why they can't do both. How about I hear you out first, and give you an opportunity to enlighten me on how they can do both release more wards for those unlike yourself, and don't have a house at or gardening capability at all; AND also increase the amount of items you can lie down. Because they can't do it for just you. They would have to increase this size for S/M/L across all wards, on all worlds, on all data centers.

BTW, I did have a small plot at one point, and have a medium now. I can tell you first hand that when I had a small, I thought to myself how much more I could do with just another 5 slots. After I got the medium, the extra slots was not enough to craft my vision of the lawn. Perhaps you can also solve the issue with area-scaling when the number of possible items to decorate far exceeds the number of slots allowed?

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

Oh look at 1%ers complain that their caviar is from yesterday's catch and not today's.

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I am SO SICK of this take. Just because everyone else doesn't have houses doesn't mean people with houses can't have any improvements. Should we just get rid of all future furniture updates to cater to you?

I don't have access to airships, but it doesn't mean I don't want more content for airships. The salt is understood, and I was once in the same boat without a house, but just because you have salt does not mean you should aim it in a way that just hurts the player base. I don't want more than one house unless we get it in Island Sanctuary. I don't plan on buying up a ward. I'm an honest paying player that got their house. Let me have content too. I hope you get your house, and I wish you luck, but stop leaving us in the dark just because you have not.

We need more space in wards. Plain and simple. It would make the current housing so much more worth it if we could design our plots in our yard spaces just the way we want. Every single outdoor plot should at the very least be doubled in its current space to allow more creativity. We are in the PS5 era, and modern PCs are more than capable of handling it. Especially now that many Mac players are on the M1/2 chips.

The timing for upgrades is now.

You can make all the demands you want. The housing system is very much stuck as it is. The only improvements they've been able to make is adding more wards. That should be a clue.

If you're gonna be unhappy about actually owning a house, maybe let someone else have a try.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

You can make all the demands you want. The housing system is very much stuck as it is. The only improvements they've been able to make is adding more wards. That should be a clue.

If you're gonna be unhappy about actually owning a house, maybe let someone else have a try.

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You have no way of knowing this. We've had size limit increases before. Stop acting like you know if its going to stay stuck like this or not.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I am SO SICK of this take. Just because everyone else doesn't have houses doesn't mean people with houses can't have any improvements. Should we just get rid of all future furniture updates to cater to you?

I don't have access to airships, but it doesn't mean I don't want more content for airships. The salt is understood, and I was once in the same boat without a house, but just because you have salt does not mean you should aim it in a way that just hurts the player base. I don't want more than one house unless we get it in Island Sanctuary. I don't plan on buying up a ward. I'm an honest paying player that got their house. Let me have content too. I hope you get your house, and I wish you luck, but stop leaving us in the dark just because you have not.

We need more space in wards. Plain and simple. It would make the current housing so much more worth it if we could design our plots in our yard spaces just the way we want. Every single outdoor plot should at the very least be doubled in its current space to allow more creativity. We are in the PS5 era, and modern PCs are more than capable of handling it. Especially now that many Mac players are on the M1/2 chips.

The timing for upgrades is now.

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"Uweehhh, I have access to limited elite content, but it's not enough that it's limited and exclusive and I'm in the special club, I want MORE of it." Until content stops being limited any discussions about expansion of gardening will sound just like people whining about their silver spoons not being reflextive enough. Especially with whole "I only started agreeing with it after I got into the in-group." Literally the 1%er mentality.

NO IMPROVEMENTS TO THE GAME UNTIL I GET WHAT I WANT!

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

"Uweehhh, I have access to limited elite content, but it's not enough that it's limited and exclusive and I'm in the special club, I want MORE of it." Until content stops being limited any discussions about expansion of gardening will sound just like people whining about their silver spoons not being reflextive enough. Especially with whole "I only started agreeing with it after I got into the in-group." Literally the 1%er mentality.

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You're just not very nice. TBH. Love your attitude.

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

"Uweehhh, I have access to limited elite content, but it's not enough that it's limited and exclusive and I'm in the special club, I want MORE of it." Until content stops being limited any discussions about expansion of gardening will sound just like people whining about their silver spoons not being reflextive enough. Especially with whole "I only started agreeing with it after I got into the in-group." Literally the 1%er mentality.

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I agree! I want an alternate way to win that sweet looking ring from winning the big cactpot! >:^(

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Originally Posted by Aneshda

Guess we don't care about that Luxury Garden problem.
Just a small amount Players owns a House.
All others have to live in a tiny Rat hole with a 100 Item Limit, no Garden, no Yard, not even a single Window that you could open to breath fresh Air.

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Apartments come with windows though.

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

"Uweehhh, I have access to limited elite content, but it's not enough that it's limited and exclusive and I'm in the special club, I want MORE of it." Until content stops being limited any discussions about expansion of gardening will sound just like people whining about their silver spoons not being reflextive enough. Especially with whole "I only started agreeing with it after I got into the in-group." Literally the 1%er mentality.

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Move to Dynamis, we have like 8000+ houses. Problem solved.

I find it hilarious how there is housing available in bulk elsewhere but people still whine about how they can't get one. They're literally just sitting there and it's free to transfer, go get one. You too can be part of the club!

Baking in teleport and moogle mail would at least free up 2 slots. It's not a lot but probably an easy fix (if anything is easy when it comes to making changes).

I love my gardens and wish we had more slots too. Will we ever get them not very optimistic that will happen.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Move to Dynamis, we have like 8000+ houses. Problem solved.

I find it hilarious how there is housing available in bulk elsewhere but people still whine about how they can't get one. They're literally just sitting there and it's free to transfer, go get one. You too can be part of the club!

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Don't forget that we're getting new housing wards in 6.3 too.

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

"Uweehhh, I have access to limited elite content, but it's not enough that it's limited and exclusive and I'm in the special club, I want MORE of it." Until content stops being limited any discussions about expansion of gardening will sound just like people whining about their silver spoons not being reflextive enough. Especially with whole "I only started agreeing with it after I got into the in-group." Literally the 1%er mentality.

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There were personal houses available for up to 5 months on our Datacenter on Raiden and Alpha. You had 5 months to get one.

There are STILL plenty of FC houses available as of right now. Also pretty sure there are still some personals in the Goblet.

Guess you just don't want to be part of the 'elite' after all?!

Sorry, but on the one hand you complain that houses are too limited and yet you refuse to get one for some arbitrary reason?

I can sorta understand if you would be on Balmung etc, but you can't really complain when you are on Light.

That said, give more garden space. Actually, let me destroy my plot and let me use that space for more Outdoor Items.

Edit: Do you know what we did to belong to the elite back in my days?! https://ragnarok.fandom.com/wiki/For..._Grand_Tip_Bag

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

"Uweehhh, I have access to limited elite content, but it's not enough that it's limited and exclusive and I'm in the special club, I want MORE of it." Until content stops being limited any discussions about expansion of gardening will sound just like people whining about their silver spoons not being reflextive enough. Especially with whole "I only started agreeing with it after I got into the in-group." Literally the 1%er mentality.

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Am I a 1%er if it took me 22 lottery cycles to win a house? This is like, considering I failed a 1 in 5 chance, a 1 and 3 chance, and obviously wasn't the winner for any of the other lotteries.

I have the solution. Learn Japanese, post in Japanese forum for daily for 6 month. Boom, JP servers get expanded gardens as a "beta test".

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Originally Posted by Padudu

Am I a 1%er if it took me 22 lottery cycles to win a house? This is like, considering I failed a 1 in 5 chance, a 1 and 3 chance, and obviously wasn't the winner for any of the other lotteries.

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Sorry, but them's the rules! Here is your complementary caviar! (sorry, it's a day old!)

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Sorry, but them's the rules! Here is your complementary caviar! (sorry, it's a day old!)

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Goddamnit, guess I really DO have to buy a membership to the country club...

Or did I already do that and that's why my caviar is a day old?

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Originally Posted by Padudu

Goddamnit, guess I really DO have to buy a membership to the country club...

Or did I already do that and that's why my caviar is a day old?

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*turns on auto-demolish*
Oh... you already have a membership. No paperwork needed!
/wringhands

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Originally Posted by Padudu

Goddamnit, guess I really DO have to buy a membership to the country club...

Or did I already do that and that's why my caviar is a day old?

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The country club is Island Sanctuary, complete with "open to everyone" inclusivity! Have fun being Tataru's henchmen---I uh I mean have fun having a nice relaxing island all to yourself :^)

Jesus Christ the number of bitter whiny simps in this thread frantically defending poor Small Indie Dev Company Squeenix and their awful housing system that MMOs from 10 years ago blow out of the water while boohooing at the people who have houses is unreal.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Move to Dynamis, we have like 8000+ houses. Problem solved.

I find it hilarious how there is housing available in bulk elsewhere but people still whine about how they can't get one. They're literally just sitting there and it's free to transfer, go get one. You too can be part of the club!

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NA pings are awful for me is why I am not interested in either Oceania or NA regions. I will quite likely move to new Europe DC when it opens just for the housing, but fact that players have to leave behind their original homeworlds just to access this completely solo content is horrendous.

EDIT: Seeing people defend the system of housing limitations by saying "just transfer home worlds" is literally proving that housing system is awful and needs huge expansions. It shouldn't be a requirement to transfer to another server/world just to be able to access full housing. This isn't a small indie company.

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

NA pings are awful for me is why I am not interested in either Oceania or NA regions. I will quite likely move to new Europe DC when it opens just for the housing, but fact that players have to leave behind their original homeworlds just to access this completely solo content is horrendous.

EDIT: Seeing people defend the system of housing limitations by saying "just transfer home worlds" is literally proving that housing system is awful and needs huge expansions. It shouldn't be a requirement to transfer to another server/world just to be able to access full housing. This isn't a small indie company.

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No one actually defends the housing system as it is. We just accept it for what it is. Some things are very much locked in, unless someone comes up with a way to cleanly transfer all that data to fully instanced housing for the half a million houses that are out there.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

No one actually defends the housing system as it is. We just accept it for what it is. Some things are very much locked in, unless someone comes up with a way to cleanly transfer all that data to fully instanced housing for the half a million houses that are out there.

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That's absolutely not necessary to solve the issues. The wards and neighbourhoods that is beloved idea of devs can stay. But there's 0 reason why in addition to limited wards with slot-based housing there can't be instanced housing apartment-style but for full houses. It keeps the neighbourhoods that aparently devs like so much, it removes the need to transfer all existing housing to new system, but it also creates a system where anyone can get a house and partake in housing-exclusive content without roadblocks like 'there is no player plots available on your home world'

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

That's absolutely not necessary to solve the issues. The wards and neighbourhoods that is beloved idea of devs can stay. But there's 0 reason why in addition to limited wards with slot-based housing there can't be instanced housing apartment-style but for full houses. It keeps the neighbourhoods that aparently devs like so much, it removes the need to transfer all existing housing to new system, but it also creates a system where anyone can get a house and partake in housing-exclusive content without roadblocks like 'there is no player plots available on your home world'

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It's not necessary, but that's what people tend to cry for. Maybe they don't want to do either that or what you're suggesting because of the amount of additional storage that would be required for having all those instances. They seem very keen on not having anything going to waste and sitting idle. If you really want a space that won't disappear when you take a break, you can get an apartment.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

It's not necessary, but that's what people tend to cry for. Maybe they don't want to do either that or what you're suggesting because of the amount of additional storage that would be required for having all those instances. They seem very keen on not having anything going to waste and sitting idle. If you really want a space that won't disappear when you take a break, you can get an apartment.

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I'd honestly be content with apartments if they were just a BIT bigger and Gardening didn't exist. But because gardening is a thing that exists and is exclusive to house ownership (crossbreeding part is cruicial so no, pots do not count), I do not see apartments as viable alternative.

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

I'd honestly be content with apartments if they were just a BIT bigger and Gardening didn't exist. But because gardening is a thing that exists and is exclusive to house ownership (crossbreeding part is cruicial so no, pots do not count), I do not see apartments as viable alternative.

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It's possible that may go to island. There's a comment Yoshida has made about some outdoor / garden furnishings possibly going on island. It's hard to tell what he means by that. We may find out Friday.

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It's possible that may go to island. There's a comment Yoshida has made about some outdoor / garden furnishings possibly going on island. It's hard to tell what he means by that. We may find out Friday.

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Knowing them, it'll probably be like 5 specific spots on the island, with you being able to put one, singular outdoor decoration into each and the gardening plots will be expressly not among things that can be placed there.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

There's no reason they can't do both. At the very least they could start with enabling teleportation without the aetherite. We can already do it in our apartments, I'm sorry but I think your opinion is wrong.

Unless you have a small house you have no idea what this is like.

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My personal house is a small. I lived in a small since I won my first home placard clicking on September 1, 2021. I got lucky and relocated from that home into a few other smalls, and my last relocation, I hit the jackpot and was able to relocate to plot 29 in LB, with folks running on my heels to get to the placard before me.

I've stayed there since. It's not the huge yard our FC house has, but I love it. Would I like maybe a few more spots, sure, but I think with planning and vision, even the yard of a small can be wonderful. Heck, I've seen mediums and larges with crappier designed yards than some of smalls out there.