Suggestion for 2.0: Make quest rewards commensurate to time spent

Currently quests tend to reward relatively low xp and trash items. Putting aside that I'd prefer quests were more interesting in general (I typically just spam enter as the NPCs hit me with like 10 boxes of text, then go do some kind of fetch quest), there are some severe flaws to the current system:

1) Quests tend to reward trash items.

These things just junk up my inventory, and further deflate the price of these items in the Markets as everyone tries to sell them. I've never liked LQs or quests giving you random crafted items, because it takes away from the ability of crafters to make money by selling them.

2) Quests tend to reward low amounts of xp.

Quests take time out of your day. I could make way more xp doing LQs, partying, or even just soloing normal mobs (that last one is key). So, why would I bother doing quests, or if could just run out and kill mobs to get faster xp?

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Quests are limited. Mobs are not. LQs are semi-limited, in that you can only get so many at a time, but they are repeatable. Once any quest you might do that rewards xp has been completed, it's gone forever.

Long story short, I think quests should stop junking up your inventory with trash items, and they should have big xp rewards. I spent all day today doing quests on my 38 THM. After clearing pretty much every quest in the Black Shroud (or at least Gridania), including a number of Grand Company quests, I've yet to gain even a single level. I could have gained a multitude of levels via any other method in that same time frame. Yes, I realize a lot of those quests were for levels way under mine. That said, those quests for folks around level 10? Yeah, they give like 500 xp. I can get that in several whole seconds just killing mobs normally.

So, what was the point of doing the quests? I don't know. Please consider addressing this for 2.0. Considering the xp rewards for doing nearly anything else are huge, and unlimited, I don't think it's out of line to ask that quests, which are severely limited, give rewards commensurate to the time you spend on them. They should be easy, though time-consuming methods of getting a lot of xp.

Side quests are meant to be a side thing.

If you reward the players too much EXP, they will become a main thing. And then we'll all be doing crummy fetch-um kill-um quests for the rest of our digital existences (See: World of Warcraft).

I'd rather my sidequests be more interesting and entertaining. You know, rewarding me with fun rather than points. Currently the bulk majority of sidequests are pretty hum-drum, and I think you wouldn't be posting this if that wasn't the case.

You're welcome to speculate on whether or not I'd make this suggestion if quests were more fun, but I'd like to respectfully point out that you seem to have missed one of the important factors:

Quests are distinctly limited in number (as opposed to LQs, which are only semi-limited, are a main thing, and already have most/all folks doing something very similar to "crummy fetch-um kill-um quests" as it stands now). As a general rule, quests that give xp are not repeatable. That being the case, they could never become a main thing. Currently they are not a "side" thing; they are a "don't waste your time, what are you even doing!?" thing.

But, this thread isn't about how quests should be more fun (they should). That's a totally separate conversation.

I will just add my 2 cents here but
You are skipping the entire point of those sidequests. Those 10 boxes of text you skipped? They're the entire reason to do the quest, the exposition you get, the knowledge they give you about the game world.
Other than that, they really shouldn't be at all a big focus, yes. And hell I daresay that taking my first dude up to 50 would have been hell without the XP and item rewards from those.

Then... why even bother giving a reward at all for those quests, if the "entire reason" is to read a ton of text and enjoy the opportunity to wander all over the world? The fact of the matter is that there is a reward, and I'm suggesting it should be a worthwhile one. Do you disagree? Would you prefer to get 0 xp, 0 items, 0 gil from quests?

As an aside, there are definitely better ways to convey information than literally 10 text boxes for each conversation with an NPC (which has been a complaint raised previously by folks other than myself), but that is neither here nor there. This thread has nothing to do with my interest or disinterest in the content of quests.

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Quests are distinctly limited in number (as opposed to LQs, which are only semi-limited, are a main thing, and already have most/all folks doing something very similar to "crummy fetch-um kill-um quests" as it stands now). As a general rule, quests that give xp are not repeatable. That being the case, they could never become a main thing. Currently they are not a "side" thing; they are a "don't waste your time, what are you even doing!?" thing.

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What do you expect from a new game? Of course they're limited in number. We're talking about the future here, I thought. They're certain to add more quests. And you're requesting that they increase the exp reward for these quests. That's fine. I'm just saying that SE should use caution in the amount of reward they give players for doing something. Too much and it becomes the main thing players will do to level up.

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But, this thread isn't about how quests should be more fun (they should). That's a totally separate conversation.

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How so? Making quests more rewarding could also mean 'more fun', 'more challenging', 'more gameplay', 'more options', etc., and not just 'more exp'.

Are you asking SE to just throw together bad quests in 2.0 and onward, and reward you based on how much time you wasted doing them?

Or should you be asking SE to make good, fun quests for 2.0 and onward, ones that reward fairly for the amount of effort put into them?

You bring up an interesting topic OP and allow me to share my thoughts. I will use Tera as an example because Tera,XI, and XIV are the only MMOs I have played.

Tera relies solely on quests to level up as there are no xp parties. The reason why this works for Tera is because its 1 player 1 class so they dont have to worry about adding more quests then whats needed for this kind of setup. Now in the case of XIV we run into the issue where 1 player can be anything and everything.

In my experience playing XI and XIV a lot of quests aren't repeatable and I think that plays a part in why side quests arent really important when it comes to xp. I really don't know how we will go about getting xp in 2.0 beyond levequests because what I do know is Yoshi has already said levequests will be in 2.0 and I have rarely seen xp shouts in the low levels and I think XI's leveling method of going out and making a camp to grind on mobs is long gone unless your 40ish and xping in a stronghold or spiritbonding.

I only say this because Yoshi said the worldless content finder will allow you to form xp parties and use raids as a source of xp. I dont know the details of how worldless content finder is going to work but if it's like Tera's, people from other servers wont be able to run around on your world map so you wouldnt be able to queue a healer from another server and set up a camp with him or her on your world map.

So while an xp boost to side quests would be welcomed its more then likely gonna be a 1 time quest anyway so your next class would have to find a new means of getting xp. If I misunderstood what you were trying to explain I am sorry and would like to elaborate more on it.

Know how it's easy to spot a good quest from a bad quest? Remove the rewards from all of them and then complete them. A good quest needs no reward, and that's what this game needs.

Most of the quests in XIV (side) that rewards 'low xp' and 'trash items' did you ever look at the levels? That's right, most aren't designed for capped players, they're designed to be done as you level. It's like complaining about your class quests giving you little to no exp at level 50 even though they're designed to be undertaken as you progress in levels, not once you hit 50.

The rewards shouldn't scale upwards upwards at all as they already scale if you do a level 45 quest then switch to a low level class.

They should have multiple choices of reward type, having quest rewards bind to character would also stop the problem with quest items destroying the economy.

That being said the quests "are what they are", all MMO's have these boring fetch quests, kill 10 wolfs etc, its unlikely they will change, I do think giving the player the choice between 4-5 different items at the end would be better.

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

Currently quests tend to reward relatively low xp and trash items. Putting aside that I'd prefer quests were more interesting in general (I typically just spam enter as the NPCs hit me with like 10 boxes of text, then go do some kind of fetch quest), there are some severe flaws to the current system:

1) Quests tend to reward trash items.

These things just junk up my inventory, and further deflate the price of these items in the Markets as everyone tries to sell them. I've never liked LQs or quests giving you random crafted items, because it takes away from the ability of crafters to make money by selling them.

2) Quests tend to reward low amounts of xp.

Quests take time out of your day. I could make way more xp doing LQs, partying, or even just soloing normal mobs (that last one is key). So, why would I bother doing quests, or if could just run out and kill mobs to get faster xp?

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Quests are limited. Mobs are not. LQs are semi-limited, in that you can only get so many at a time, but they are repeatable. Once any quest you might do that rewards xp has been completed, it's gone forever.

Long story short, I think quests should stop junking up your inventory with trash items, and they should have big xp rewards. I spent all day today doing quests on my 38 THM. After clearing pretty much every quest in the Black Shroud (or at least Gridania), including a number of Grand Company quests, I've yet to gain even a single level. I could have gained a multitude of levels via any other method in that same time frame. Yes, I realize a lot of those quests were for levels way under mine. That said, those quests for folks around level 10? Yeah, they give like 500 xp. I can get that in several whole seconds just killing mobs normally.

So, what was the point of doing the quests? I don't know. Please consider addressing this for 2.0. Considering the xp rewards for doing nearly anything else are huge, and unlimited, I don't think it's out of line to ask that quests, which are severely limited, give rewards commensurate to the time you spend on them. They should be easy, though time-consuming methods of getting a lot of xp.

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And by whose or what standards do they measure that?

There are people who wouldn't be satisfied if you gave them half a level worth of xp for running in a straight line. There are people who don't even require a reward to do things; they do them for the enjoyment of playing the game and experiencing that content. And then there's myriad shades in-between. So whose idea of "worthwhile" do they go with?

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Originally Posted by Denmo

Side quests are meant to be a side thing.

If you reward the players too much EXP, they will become a main thing. And then we'll all be doing crummy fetch-um kill-um quests for the rest of our digital existences (See: World of Warcraft).

I'd rather my sidequests be more interesting and entertaining. You know, rewarding me with fun rather than points. Currently the bulk majority of sidequests are pretty hum-drum, and I think you wouldn't be posting this if that wasn't the case.

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I totally agree with the OP. The thing is, the sidequests are not fun, or interesting once you get the achievement from doing them in one city, you start on the other cities and you realize that you are essentially repeating the same content, over and over. Oh you want me to get five people to eat a cake? Ok. You want me to talk to five people about whatever? Ok. You want me to talk to five people about the Seer guys? Ok.

Its hardly fun. Sure some had more meat to em (and some funny text), and a few give out decent rewards at a higher level, but I don't see where you are getting interesting and entertaining :/. Unless you're talking about the GC quests.... those are fun, sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Denmo

What do you expect from a new game? Of course they're limited in number. We're talking about the future here, I thought. They're certain to add more quests.

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Are you kidding me? Stop trolling. Regardless of whether or not there are 10 quests in the world, or 1,000, they are limited in number. As I stated, mobs are unlimited, and LQs are semi-unlimited. Quests, however, are quite limited. Once you do them, they go away. There is a distinctly finite number of times you can do them. Understand?

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Originally Posted by Denmo

And you're requesting that they increase the exp reward for these quests. That's fine. I'm just saying that SE should use caution in the amount of reward they give players for doing something. Too much and it becomes the main thing players will do to level up.

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Who even cares? The main thing folks do to level now is to powerlevel each other. How would doing quests be worse? Also, yes, we're talking about the future. Is it a given that quests will be "crummy fetch-um kill-um quests" forever? A lot of folks seem to be white knighting the bazillion text boxes, even though this thread isn't even about that, so clearly a lot of folks think the quests are awesome as is. Are we afraid they will take away from powerleveling time, or repeatedly slaying the same monsters repeatedly? Help me out here.

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Originally Posted by Denmo

How so? Making quests more rewarding could also mean 'more fun', 'more challenging', 'more gameplay', 'more options', etc., and not just 'more exp'.

Are you asking SE to just throw together bad quests in 2.0 and onward, and reward you based on how much time you wasted doing them?

Or should you be asking SE to make good, fun quests for 2.0 and onward, ones that reward fairly for the amount of effort put into them?

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I don't know how many times I can say that I'm not speaking to how fun quests are. That's not to say that I don't care about that (I do), but regardless of that, the rewards should not be stupid. I'm sorry if I'm not talking about what interests you. Feel free to spin up your own thread and champion your ideas about how quests should be more fun. You shouldn't expect me to do it. I have my own agenda.

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Originally Posted by ArkNova

So while an xp boost to side quests would be welcomed its more then likely gonna be a 1 time quest anyway so your next class would have to find a new means of getting xp. If I misunderstood what you were trying to explain I am sorry and would like to elaborate more on it.

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Thank you for your reply. I will try to explain a little more:

I don't expect (or want) quests to be your main source of xp for all classes. If you happen to go through every quest and it gets you to cap on one of your classes, that's cool! But I don't think that's necessary.

So, long story short, I'm not advocating quests as a main source of xp.

However, quests are extremely time-consuming. I feel like if you're asking the player to sidetrack themselves in the first place, and you're giving them rewards for doing so, those rewards should be commensurate for the time you spend on them. 500 xp for a level 10 quest, for example, is extremely missable. I can solo several times that amount of xp in the time it would take me to do the quest.

Also, going to call out an older post:

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Originally Posted by Skies

And hell I daresay that taking my first dude up to 50 would have been hell without the XP and item rewards from those.

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Are you kidding me? The xp and items from levequests are far greater than quests, so I have a hard time believing doing quests really saved you, especially since levequests are not limited in number.

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Know how it's easy to spot a good quest from a bad quest? Remove the rewards from all of them and then complete them. A good quest needs no reward, and that's what this game needs.

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I respect your opinion. If they want to literally remove all rewards, and make them extremely fun to just do, I would be on board with that. I don't think that will happen, however. It would be better if they increased rewards and, additionally, made them a lot of fun to play. (Similarly, I don't see them making "intense" battles like Ifrit drop zero rewards, and the opportunity to do them being their own reward - though, arguably, the terribad drop rate kind of makes that the case many times.) Since there are rewards, they should be good.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Most of the quests in XIV (side) that rewards 'low xp' and 'trash items' did you ever look at the levels? That's right, most aren't designed for capped players, they're designed to be done as you level. It's like complaining about your class quests giving you little to no exp at level 50 even though they're designed to be undertaken as you progress in levels, not once you hit 50.

The rewards shouldn't scale upwards upwards at all as they already scale if you do a level 45 quest then switch to a low level class.

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Admittedly, I like being trolled by folks who create a toon specifically so they can post anonymously on the official forums. 0 xp for any class and almost 3,000 posts? Haha.

As expected from a blatant troll, you're way off the mark. I never asked for "xp to scale". Did you mistake this for a post saying "wah, I did level 40 caravan and at the end I switched to my level 20 miner and only got 1k xp instead of the 6k everyone else got waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah"?

If you actually read my post, you'll actually see me talk about how many of the quests I did were under (not over, which is where "scaling xp" would come from - thanks for playing, though!) my level. I then went into more detail on why those xp rewards were still stupid (specifically, 500 xp for a level 10 quest... useless, missable).

The best part of your troll is when you say "they aren't designed for capped players". No kidding? Because capped players would get zero xp from the quests.

Since you obviously have nothing to contribute, and likely never will since you are posting on some crazy troll account instead of your main character, don't be surprised when I completely ignore you for the rest of all time. Have fun trolling someone else.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

They should have multiple choices of reward type, having quest rewards bind to character would also stop the problem with quest items destroying the economy.

That being said the quests "are what they are", all MMO's have these boring fetch quests, kill 10 wolfs etc, its unlikely they will change, I do think giving the player the choice between 4-5 different items at the end would be better.

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I'd be happy if the items were at least unique to the quest, or at the very least not craftable. Or, like, good. Or something. I just vendor all of them, so any change to that is welcome.

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

And by whose or what standards do they measure that?

There are people who wouldn't be satisfied if you gave them half a level worth of xp for running in a straight line. There are people who don't even require a reward to do things; they do them for the enjoyment of playing the game and experiencing that content. And then there's myriad shades in-between. So whose idea of "worthwhile" do they go with?

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That's a very good point. I intentionally elected not to suggest a specific amount for the rewards. I simply wanted to call attention to why (I feel) the current rewards are unsatisfactory. I'm happy leaving it to the dev team to decide whether or not they agree with me, and how much they should increase rewards (if at all).

Also, as an aside, don't bother to try white knighting how "fun" quests are to me unless you've at least got the "Fragments of the Truth" Lodestone achievement (which I have). That alone I think demonstrates how dedicated I am to lore and/or rabid completionism with no reward whatsoever. Unless you count Lodestone achievements, I guess!

Edit: Before you hilariously try to take this bait, please know this: I'm not really interested in debating how fun quests are (or aren't). My point is simply that I have no issue doing stuff for lore and/or completionism for zero reward. In FF11, I obtained literally every map. Every map. I needed them! I was interested in attaining every aetherial gate long before there were achievements, even if I didn't get around to them. I love exploring.

The point is, quests are rewards. Shouldn't they be good? Why should LQs give far greater rewards? You do them all the time. More to the point, why should rewards for quests be paltry compared to anything else you could possibly do with your time? Once you do quests, they are gone forever. Disparity? Maybe?

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

Admittedly, I like being trolled by folks who create a toon specifically so they can post anonymously on the official forums. 0 xp for any class and almost 3,000 posts? Haha.

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I find it funny you think that matters. You do realize you can choose characters on your account and the forums defaults to the first character ID, right? No you wouldn't know that because you're too busy failing at finding a counterpoint to my statement lol.

So we once again prove the point:

"You don't agree with me, therefore you're a troll."

So realistically, your response was more trollish than mine was, because like I said, side quests clearly aren't designed to be apart of your main progression, as in they aren't there to completely pimp you out or level you, they're additional stories/things to do, which is what people asked for.

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

Also, as an aside, don't bother to try white knighting how "fun" quests are to me unless you've at least got the "Fragments of the Truth" Lodestone achievement (which I have). That alone I think demonstrates how dedicated I am to lore and/or rabid completionism with no reward whatsoever. Unless you count Lodestone achievements, I guess!

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Oh, how pointless of you, trying to control and narrow the discussion, are you saying people have to find Urianger and give him a faded page to be competently able to tell you quests are fun? They're fun(oh hey look I have "Fragments of the Truth"), they give a good amount of exp, and the items obtained are usable by the levels the quest recommends, they may not be the best items, but they are good for using if you have nothing else, or have an irrational fear of the market wards, also they NPC for a good price most of the time.

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Originally Posted by Kayokane

Oh, how pointless of you, trying to control and narrow the discussion, are you saying people have to find Urianger and give him a faded page to be competently able to tell you quests are fun? They're fun(oh hey look I have "Fragments of the Truth"), they give a good amount of exp, and the items obtained are usable by the levels the quest recommends, they may not be the best items, but they are good for using if you have nothing else, or have an irrational fear of the market wards, also they NPC for a good price most of the time.

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100% correct in everything you stated. The main things to consider, is they're designed in a particular way, but due to powerleveling a lot of people actually miss the point of em unless they actually go seeking them since they are after all, side quests, not "progress my character 1 level/120,000g per" type quests so they're there for additional bits of lore/something to do/items and exp if you're low enough level.

it's the same thing with people complaining about the early GC quests being too easy because they did Ifrit at 50 rather than around level 30, which yes mini ifrit is a decent challenge when you do it at the suggested level in a party, it's not hard but it's more fun than 1 WS = dead.

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Originally Posted by Kayokane

Oh, how pointless of you, trying to control and narrow the discussion, are you saying people have to find Urianger and give him a faded page to be competently able to tell you quests are fun? They're fun(oh hey look I have "Fragments of the Truth"), they give a good amount of exp, and the items obtained are usable by the levels the quest recommends, they may not be the best items, but they are good for using if you have nothing else, or have an irrational fear of the market wards, also they NPC for a good price most of the time.

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I think you are missing the point, too. This thread was not started to talk about how fun quests are (or aren't). They are talking about the rewards. If you think keeping the discussion on topic is pointless, please, by all means, enter politics with all haste.

Most posts in this thread are total derails, saying "quests are fun" "why don't you think quests are fun?" "stop clicking through tons of text boxes, they are the entire point!". My assertion is I'm doing the quests anyway, and have gone far out of my way to do other things with no tangible reward for the sake of lore and/or completionism, so clearly my concern is not that. It's that if there are rewards, they should be good rewards. Do you disagree? Do you think 500 xp at level 10 is "totally worth it"? How about 1k xp for a quest more in the 30s?

But, by all means, let's talk about how fun quests are. What do you think makes them awesome? While we're at it, what do you think about the jump feature? Are you also a fan of swimming? Do you think we'll get Cloud's Buster Sword in this game?

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

I think you are missing the point, too. This thread was not started to talk about how fun quests are (or aren't). They are talking about the rewards. If you think keeping the discussion on topic is pointless, please, by all means, enter politics with all haste.

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Ok, I may have skimmed a bit... but I do address exp/rewards at the end of my post. >,>
EDIT: also for logical discussion, enjoyment of something is also a reward of the activity

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

Most posts in this thread are total derails, saying "quests are fun" "why don't you think quests are fun?" "stop clicking through tons of text boxes, they are the entire point!". My assertion is I'm doing the quests anyway, and have gone far out of my way to do other things with no tangible reward for the sake of lore and/or completionism, so clearly my concern is not that. It's that if there are rewards, they should be good rewards. Do you disagree? Do you think 500 xp at level 10 is "totally worth it"? How about 1k xp for a quest more in the 30s?

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considering you are comparing it to the probability of pLing at 90-120kexp/hr then yes you are absolutely right, otherwise no it is good side experience to get when you are out of leves or bored of farming the same dumb mob over and over. not to mention the lore is enjoyable, and I mentioned Items in my previous post.

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

But, by all means, let's talk about how fun quests are. What do you think makes them awesome?

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despite your obvious rhetoric streak coming: I enjoyed the story of the characters in the game. :D yup that's the entire reason why I think there fun.

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

While we're at it, what do you think about the jump feature?

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completely pointless if I read correctly, but I may jump once in a while >,>

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

Are you also a fan of swimming?

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depends on how they implement it, If it has a purpose I will enjoy it more than if it didn't have a purpose.

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

Do you think we'll get Cloud's Buster Sword in this game?

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What!? I'm a mage, like I could care less about Cloud's weak Buster Sword...

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

Do you think we'll get Cloud's Buster Sword in this game?

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BUSTER MACUAHUITL!

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These things just junk up my inventory, and further deflate the price of these items in the Markets as everyone tries to sell them. I've never liked LQs or quests giving you random crafted items, because it takes away from the ability of crafters to make money by selling them.

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Nothing awarded by a levequest is something that anyone would make for money anyway, so it's fine the way it is.

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2) Quests tend to reward low amounts of xp.

Quests take time out of your day. I could make way more xp doing LQs, partying, or even just soloing normal mobs (that last one is key). So, why would I bother doing quests, or if could just run out and kill mobs to get faster xp?

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You don't do quests for faster XP, you do them for the rewards or for the content they grant access to. Quests as a primary form of EXP is a WoW feature.

Ok to me it sounds like the OP is voicing their opinion that they dont want quests to be the bulk of your xp theyre just asking for quests to supplement a bit more towards your level does that sound right? Now while I do agree some people just do the quests for the lore and nothing else I am personally not one and since the OP has already stated their a lore buff its safe to say they do it for the lore and again they're just asking for a bit more xp. While I am opened to your idea OP most quests arent repeatable so this wouldnt do much for people looking to level all classes.

I don't even want exp from quests to be honest. I want scrolls, rare/ex items, maps, or other things.

"Rewards commensurate to time spent" is impossible, to be fair. We're investing 35+ hours a week pretending to do things in exchange for imaginary currency. All we're really hoping for is satisfaction with reconciling that; because at this point what's going on is we're investing 35+ hours a week and getting an imaginary kick in the jewels.

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Originally Posted by Zezlar

I don't even want exp from quests to be honest. I want scrolls, rare/ex items, maps, or other things.

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No thanks to the maps/scrolls. Getting around and doing my job are very basic things - I'm glad they're basic features of levelling and existing in Eorzea in XIV. Sinking time to get those basics are archaic mechanics of a time gone by when play needed to be artificially extended between CD-ROM releases. We now have broadband and digital downloads and instantaneous distribution of content via direct patching.

In fact, half of the things I see people clammoring over for "difficulty" and "experience" are just nostalgic whinings for anachronistic mechanics that were only in place to sink your time or act as a digital Skinner Box to ensure subscription/addiction.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

No thanks to the maps/scrolls. Getting around and doing my job are very basic things - I'm glad they're basic features of levelling and existing in Eorzea in XIV. Sinking time to get those basics are archaic mechanics of a time gone by when play needed to be artificially extended between CD-ROM releases.

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Irony: Yoshida is in favor of and will be implementing a fog of war system...which is essentially the same as going to a vendor and buying a map or going to a dungeon and opening a chest.

Hell FoW is more work than a quest to unlock maps/portions of maps.

I would like quests to give a reward of some need or special item, like a dungeon map (not an outer world map, as this will be a fog map thingy), or rare/ex items. Or even just a way way of progressing to higher quests. (Like Fame in FFXI).

The xp is just a little bonus.

That extends, obviously, to the game's content. Guildleves will no longer make up the bulk of the leveling curve, with a larger number of quests added for players to partake.

source: http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/06...ida/#continued

so does this mean quests could be repeatable and also be a source of xp now?

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Irony: Yoshida is in favor of and will be implementing a fog of war system...which is essentially the same as going to a vendor and buying a map or going to a dungeon and opening a chest.

Hell FoW is more work than a quest to unlock maps/portions of maps.

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Strangely I'm okay with fogmaps. It's a nice balance - even though you don't know where to go at first, once you've been somewhere you know where the hell it is. No wandering Beaucadine Glacier looking for the same ramp 50 times while you wait for a damn frost turnip NPC to show up - and yet you do have to work for it.

On top of that it encourages exploration -- it's not a terrible compromise if he doesn't want us to know where we're going for free. (Though, let's be honest, it's a technologically advanced society and our job exists entirely to go out and kill things. Even lore-wise we should probably have those maps pre-game lol)

EWWWW accidental double post instead of editing my quote box ><

Sorry...

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Originally Posted by ArkNova

so does this mean quests could be repeatable and also be a source of xp now?

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Actually, I'm pretty good with that, too, lmao. It's basically the same as grinding - time in, battle out, gotta learn to rotate your new abilities if you want to win... but SLIGHTLY less mind-numbing. Unless it's just meant to be spammed, in which case they might as well just add 500 new guildleves and call it a day because that's all it'd be, in essence.

I love my moosey <3

I understand the OP's point about random junk being distributed into our inventory however I pray that quests will not become the main source of leveling. We don't need another World of Warcraft -_-''

U know what my suggestion for 2.0 is... instead of just going invisible and reappearing on ur chocobo, when u call ur chocobo it runs from behind and u grab on the saddle and hop right on while its running