What is more important, protect JP DCs or make NA seethe with macros?(CrossDC travel)

The answer should be obvious: protect JP DCs, never, ever implement cross DC travel and remove anyone on Gaia, Elemental, Mana who doesn't have a confirmed japanese ID or passport.

However, I'm not sure that's what the community wants. There is a huge raging hate b[...] against NA, to the point that I question whether the community wants cross DC travel implemented just to f... with NA.

I'd like to hear the opinion of japanese players, would they like cross DC travel implemented but only towards other DCs and never into JP or do they not want it at all?

Mostly I don't want NA ruins JP economy that's all, they still didn't restrict the MB access with other DC and they know JP MB is so cheap, so yeah...

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

Mostly I don't want NA ruins JP economy that's all, they still didn't restrict the MB access with other DC and they know JP MB is so cheap, so yeah...

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How is letting players on other data centers going to ruin economy? It's not like they can sell stuff there unless they already have a character on one of those servers, and them buying stuff is helping the JP players because their stuff is getting sold.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

How is letting players on other data centers going to ruin economy? It's not like they can sell stuff there unless they already have a character on one of those servers, and them buying stuff is helping the JP players because their stuff is getting sold.

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It's not about selling, it's about them buying in bulk that will hijack the price higher like NA's price.

Frankly, if they ever did allow for cross DC, they should just remove servers entirely and make mega servers. So you're on the NA server, in totality (or JP, etc). and can play/meet anyone on the entire datacenter. This would mean having more "Gridania shard 1, 2, 3" etc, but ultimately it'd be a better solution.

Then, if you're going to allow cross DC, should just make the entire MB entire-world level.

...that said, I prefer things as they are, although no I would not require anyone to prove their location in the world. As is many players from countries (like in South America) don't live in places with a DC. Restricting based on country of residene? SE would never opt for an option to lose revenue like that.

It's only an issue if they actually give us cross DC travel and the JP servers are blocked off.

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The answer should be obvious: protect JP DCs, never, ever implement cross DC travel and remove anyone on Gaia, Elemental, Mana who doesn't have a confirmed japanese ID or passport.

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I will leave you to consider the legal minefield this will create for Square Enix, as they will be in direct violation of several nations privacy laws, demanding a PASSPORT ID to be allowed to play a videogame on specific servers is a can of worms no one wants to open.

Not to mention that a great deal of jp players enjoy the company of people who have been there for years, I very much doubt anyone would agree with you on this.

OP threads always seem to be borderline trolling or at least trying to inflame discussion.

I'm not even sure what the thread title is asking, and the post premise surely can't be serious.

if you think the outrage when OW2 talked about needing a phone number was outrageous, wait until you see what happens when SE asks for Passport ID lmao.
Make NA get better with macros.

I vote for building a wall to keep everyone out! Make Eorzea great again!

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

I vote for building a wall to keep everyone out! Make Eorzea great again!

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Only if we make Garlemald pay for it.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Only if we make Garlemald pay for it.

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Baelsar already build a wall and he made Ala Mhigo pay for it...i think the damn Garleans beat us to that idea.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

I will leave you to consider the legal minefield this will create for Square Enix, as they will be in direct violation of several nations privacy laws, demanding a PASSPORT ID to be allowed to play a videogame on specific servers is a can of worms no one wants to open.

Not to mention that a great deal of jp players enjoy the company of people who have been there for years, I very much doubt anyone would agree with you on this.

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Just pointing out that requiring an ID to access specific servers already exists in China. Any mobile games that have a Chinese server/version requires a legitimate Chinese ID to even get past the front door. Implementing it here would be different but it's nothing that doesn't already exist.

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

The answer should be obvious: protect JP DCs

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Why? I do not see, that the JP datacenters need protection. In fact, you can already create a character on them. And i do not see, that it is a huge problem.


Cheers

General thoughts on the topic:

- If we're worried about MB usage just lock it for other regions. DCs in your own region group are yours to use but if you go to EU from NA for example, you can't purchase anything outside of vendor items or through PF ads. Problem solved.

- If JP wants to be kept out of everything, more power to them. Let EU, NA and Materia have access then since we're the ones who actually want it. JP has stated they want cross-DC removed entirely because people are traveling and leave some places completely empty. If they don't want it, cool. Don't give it to them then. Remove cross-DC even from just JP to appease them. But don't punish everyone else for that and make 3 regions miss out on stuff because 1 wants to be kept behind a fortress.

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

Why? I do not see, that the JP datacenters need protection. In fact, you can already create a character on them. And i do not see, that it is a huge problem.


Cheers

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Cause they are the devs chosen people basically. I mean do you really think a japanese company goes against the wishes of their japanese playerbase, which usually despises outsiders. Not in a general sense ofc more like it's great they exist...far far away from the JP datacenter.

We rather get personal instanced housing for everyone, viera hats and unlimited glamour dressers than SE going against their own peoples wishes. Which in my case aligns perfectly with what i want so i am pretty happy about that outcome. Just keep NA locked away from the rest of the world, better that way. Leave the memes and trolls were they belong.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Cause they are the devs chosen people basically. I mean do you really think a japanese company goes against the wishes of their japanese playerbase, which usually despises outsiders. Not in a general sense ofc more like it's great they exist...far far away from the JP datacenter.

We rather get personal instanced housing for everyone, viera hats and unlimited glamour dressers than SE going against their own peoples wishes. Which in my case aligns perfectly with what i want so i am pretty happy about that outcome. Just keep NA locked away from the rest of the world, better that way. Leave the memes and trolls were they belong.

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Going to point out that they're a JP business providing a global service. They can't just ignore the rest of their playerbase because that's how you lose people. Personally if JP just doesn't want anyone in JP, then region lock JP. They get what they want while NA, EU and Materia, who actually want to visit each other and do content together, get what they want too. I fail to see why compromise is such a bad thing in this situation if everyone ends up happy and ultimately gets what they're after. But to ignore 3/4 of their regions for the sake of 1 is not going to end well at all and will drive people away by making a stance like that.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Cause they are the devs chosen people basically. I mean do you really think a japanese company goes against the wishes of their japanese playerbase, which usually despises outsiders. Not in a general sense ofc more like it's great they exist...far far away from the JP datacenter.

We rather get personal instanced housing for everyone, viera hats and unlimited glamour dressers than SE going against their own peoples wishes. Which in my case aligns perfectly with what i want so i am pretty happy about that outcome. Just keep NA locked away from the rest of the world, better that way. Leave the memes and trolls were they belong.

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I have never heard, that SQEX has made a survey and asked the japanese audience, whether they want physical datacenter travel or not. :) And again, there is already no protection against players from other countries. You can always create a character on a JP datacenter if it is not marked as full. And it seems, that it is not a problem for japanese players at all. And the second thing is, i doubt, that the impact on japanese players will be noticable. Because it is relatively pointless to play on other datacenters. The network latencies are way worse compared to the home datacenter. And then there are huge timezone shifts. On JP server primetime most NA players will be already in bed. :) Maybe there is a one or two hour overlap or so.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

I have never heard, that SQEX has made a survey and asked the japanese audience, whether they want physical datacenter travel or not. :) And again, there is already no protection against players from other countries. You can always create a character on a JP datacenter if it is not marked as full. And it seems, that it is not a problem for japanese players at all. And the second thing is, i doubt, that the impact on japanese players will be noticable. Because it is relatively pointless to play on other datacenters. The network latencies are way worse compared to the home datacenter. And then there are huge timezone shifts. On JP server primetime most NA players will be already in bed. :) Maybe there is a one or two hour overlap or so.

Cheers

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I can actually answer the first part of your post. They haven't to my knowledge put out a survey, however there are threads on the JP forums asking for not only cross-region to not exist but also for cross-DC to be removed. They flat out don't want any of it because people are using cross-DC to visit other JP centers and leaving some empty and don't want cross-region for the obvious.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Going to point out that they're a JP business providing a global service. They can't just ignore the rest of their playerbase because that's how you lose people. Personally if JP just doesn't want anyone in JP, then region lock JP. They get what they want while NA, EU and Materia, who actually want to visit each other and do content together, get what they want too. I fail to see why compromise is such a bad thing in this situation if everyone ends up happy and ultimately gets what they're after. But to ignore 3/4 of their regions for the sake of 1 is not going to end well at all and will drive people away by making a stance like that.

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It will still not happen, no matter how hard people wish for it. They will not go against their own peoples wishes, JP really hate mixing cultures cause it creates discord. And thus we will never see it BUT you can hold me to that, if they actually implement it come back here and you can give me a "I told you so" and i will gladly accept it. Just highly unlikely.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

It will still not happen, no matter how hard people wish for it. They will not go against their own peoples wishes, JP really hate mixing cultures cause it creates discord. And thus we will never see it BUT you can hold me to that, if they actually implement it come back here and you can give me a "I told you so" and i will gladly accept it. Just highly unlikely.

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Look, if JP doesn't want cross-DC or cross-region then don't give it to them. Problem solved. They're not going against what they want by giving them what they want? If they just want everyone to not have it then that's pretty selfish in my opinion. You call NA trolls and memes but JP sounds like they have their own faults too.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Going to point out that they're a JP business providing a global service. They can't just ignore the rest of their playerbase because that's how you lose people. Personally if JP just doesn't want anyone in JP, then region lock JP. They get what they want while NA, EU and Materia, who actually want to visit each other and do content together, get what they want too. I fail to see why compromise is such a bad thing in this situation if everyone ends up happy and ultimately gets what they're after. But to ignore 3/4 of their regions for the sake of 1 is not going to end well at all and will drive people away by making a stance like that.

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Do NA and EU have a burning necessity to visit each other? Sure, you OCE people see cross-region DC travel as the magical salvation for your dead DC (it isn't) but as a general thing, I doubt there is much interest. You can't overcome the laws of physics and the ping to any DC across an ocean from where you live will be atrocious. And if your DC has a healthy population you really don't need to suffer like this just to get queues to pop.

Personally, I'd be ok with cross-region even if I won't ever use it. With a caveat that it should come with DF and PF settings to prevent "extra travellers" in your parties. I don't need 300 ping heroes around, people are bad enough at the game as is. But also I see why SE doesn't see it as a major priority. It likely won't appeal to a vast majority of players.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

Do NA and EU have a burning necessity to visit each other? Sure, you OCE people see cross-region DC travel as the magical salvation for your dead DC (it isn't) but as a general thing, I doubt there is much interest. You can't overcome the laws of physics and the ping to any DC across an ocean from where you live will be atrocious. And if your DC has a healthy population you really don't need to suffer like this just to get queues to pop.

Personally, I'd be ok with cross-region even if I won't ever use it. With a caveat that it should come with DF and PF settings to prevent "extra travellers" in your parties. I don't need 300 ping heroes around, people are bad enough at the game as is. But also I see why SE doesn't see it as a major priority. It likely won't appeal to a vast majority of players.

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I'm not from Materia, pointing that out. I main in NA but have alts in several different servers in different DCs. Not entirely sure where that came from but alright.

And yes, I've seen all 3 regions wishing for cross-region travel both on this forum and in other spaces. There are obviously some who are against it because of stereotypes that don't apply to an entire region but a small vocal minority (just being honest) but those who are able to look past it realize that it would be fine with precautions set up (like locking people from buying things cross-region). The point is that people have friends in other regions that would like to eventually play with each other without having to uproot their entire life in game to do so or be forced to make an alt and have to start from square one.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Look, if JP doesn't want cross-DC or cross-region then don't give it to them. Problem solved. They're not going against what they want by giving them what they want? If they just want everyone to not have it then that's pretty selfish in my opinion. You call NA trolls and memes but JP sounds like they have their own faults too.

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Oh don't get me wrong memes and trolls are not that bad, NA is hilariously funny sometimes. Just take the billboard incident from this year for example. It's great and tbh the XIV community would be half as interesting without all these crazy stories. But some people like a different kind of environment and that should be alright too. So NA is known for well really crazy stuff, JP is known for like total peace and order and EU is where people are well nice and welcoming mostly. EU is basically a combination of NA and JP, a bit of well social order but also not as crazy about it but cause of that well we have also some toxicity here and there. EU feels like the middle ground of both extremes and i for myself like it that way, mixing all the different "cultures" up now would be a mistake in my eyes cause atm each player has a place to go to for their personal taste be it the wild west or well total zen on JP.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Oh don't get me wrong memes and trolls are not that bad, NA is hilariously funny sometimes. Just take the billboard incident from this year for example. It's great and tbh the XIV community would be half as interesting without all these crazy stories. But some people like a different kind of environment and that should be alright too. So NA is known for well really crazy stuff, JP is known for like total peace and order and EU is where people are well nice and welcoming mostly. EU is basically a combination of NA and JP, a bit of well social order but also not as crazy about it but cause of that well we have also some toxicity here and there. EU feels like the middle ground of both extremes and i for myself like it that way, mixing all the different "cultures" up now would be a mistake in my eyes cause atm each player has a place to go to for their personal taste be it the wild west or well total zen on JP.

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Just pointing out that the billboard thing was done by one venue and it got massive backlash by the NA community because that stunt actually wasn't appreciated. It got so much backlash that they took them down within a day or two and subsequently pissed off an entire server because they couldn't even log in when the event actually went down because of how congested it was. That wasn't anything good, it was pure stupidity.

I personally don't see a problem with mixing cultures. We already have tourism irl where people from all over the world visit places and the cultures blend together when interacting with the local population and vise versa. Do people make that big of a fuss about it in that context? What about people moving to other countries to work? Does either side force people to take on their culture or do they try to find a middle ground where both can exist? Just because this is a video game doesn't mean we need to revert to practices of separating everyone based on culture out of fear of interacting with something different.

And anyway, if the ping is so bad like everyone is claiming then why are we even worried about people from another region coming to disrupt everything? They'll just realize they can't even play the game and go back. The point is that at least the option is there for people who have friends in other regions to visit each other if they can and also allow people to experience how other regions work. I personally would love to visit JP just to see the amazing housing designs that exist there, I could literally care less about doing actual content there or buying off the MB.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

I will leave you to consider the legal minefield this will create for Square Enix, as they will be in direct violation of several nations privacy laws, demanding a PASSPORT ID to be allowed to play a videogame on specific servers is a can of worms no one wants to open.

Not to mention that a great deal of jp players enjoy the company of people who have been there for years, I very much doubt anyone would agree with you on this.

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Not really, there's Korean laws that require people that create game accounts there to have their SSN there, so nope.

May be an issue on any other country but not there. Blizzard has it, and Riot has it on those servers.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Just pointing out that the billboard thing was done by one venue and it got massive backlash by the NA community because that stunt actually wasn't appreciated. It got so much backlash that they took them down within a day or two and subsequently pissed off an entire server because they couldn't even log in when the event actually went down because of how congested it was. That wasn't anything good, it was pure stupidity.

I personally don't see a problem with mixing cultures. We already have tourism irl where people from all over the world visit places and the cultures blend together when interacting with the local population and vise versa. Do people make that big of a fuss about it in that context? What about people moving to other countries to work? Does either side force people to take on their culture or do they try to find a middle ground where both can exist? Just because this is a video game doesn't mean we need to revert to practices of separating everyone based on culture out of fear of interacting with something different.

And anyway, if the ping is so bad like everyone is claiming then why are we even worried about people from another region coming to disrupt everything? They'll just realize they can't even play the game and go back. The point is that at least the option is there for people who have friends in other regions to visit each other if they can and also allow people to experience how other regions work. I personally would love to visit JP just to see the amazing housing designs that exist there, I could literally care less about doing actual content there or buying off the MB.

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We can talk forever around the topic to be honest, fact is that SE will never go against the wishes of JP players. That is set in stone and won't change no matter how much anyone here cries.

And since you are bringing up houses and studious made by japanese players. There are actually already NA players disrespecting these houses by taking pics in them with modded characters which japanese players are REALLY AGAINST. Like REALLY AGAINST IT. Some gpose studios already closed cause of that. Many JP players even put "No mods" into their house descriptions and it still gets disrespected already. Dunno what you think but with completely open servers that will likely not change for the better.

So yeah, i find it quite hilarious that anyone would ever believe for a moment that SE would even so much as consider allowing region travel. But it's admirable that some people haven't lost hope. Maybe they don't know Japan as well. How they despise modding which NA is full of. And NAs well wild west culture. And so much more. So no chance that JP actually opens their gates for outsiders from other datacenters.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

We can talk forever around the topic to be honest, fact is that SE will never go against the wishes of JP players. That is set in stone and won't change no matter how much anyone here cries.

And since you are bringing up houses and studious made by japanese players. There are actually already NA players disrespecting these houses by taking pics in them with modded characters which japanese players are REALLY AGAINST. Like REALLY AGAINST IT. Some gpose studios already closed cause of that. Many JP players even put "No mods" into their house descriptions and it still gets disrespected already. Dunno what you think but with completely open servers that will likely not change for the better.

So yeah, i find it quite hilarious that anyone would ever believe for a moment that SE would even so much as consider allowing region travel. But it's admirable that some people haven't lost hope. Maybe they don't know Japan as well. How they despise modding which NA is full of. And NAs well wild west culture. And so much more. So no chance that JP actually opens their gates for outsiders from other datacenters.

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As I've said like at least a handful of times now, that's fine. They can keep their doors shut. More power to them. Give it to the rest of us who want it and aren't freaked out by by the possibility of associating with anyone who might be slightly different.

Nothing is going to change that they're providing a global service and ignoring 3/4 of their regions will lead to massive backlash. Showing obvious favoritism for one group or making a decision that is out of bias, when you are supposed to be neutral and provide the best for all of your customers, never ends well.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

Frankly, if they ever did allow for cross DC, they should just remove servers entirely and make mega servers. So you're on the NA server, in totality (or JP, etc). and can play/meet anyone on the entire datacenter. This would mean having more "Gridania shard 1, 2, 3" etc, but ultimately it'd be a better solution.

Then, if you're going to allow cross DC, should just make the entire MB entire-world level.

...that said, I prefer things as they are, although no I would not require anyone to prove their location in the world. As is many players from countries (like in South America) don't live in places with a DC. Restricting based on country of residene? SE would never opt for an option to lose revenue like that.

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They can't really do this because of player names, unless servers remained a thing for names alone just merged everyone together

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Give it to the rest of us who want it and aren't freaked out by by the possibility of associating with anyone who might be slightly different.

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Tbh please speak for yourself and stop pretending everyone wants Crossregion DC Travel. For me I don't want NA on EU Servers either.

I play EU. I hear what people and friends tell me of NA. Originally I wanted cross-region DC travel to play with my friends on NA. After seeing a lot of things on these forums and hearing a lot of things from my friends, I actively do NOT want cross-DC travel to avoid NA players coming over to EU. I imagine its same with JP but tenfold because its compounded with language barriers.

Is it another time when we pretend that only NA has trolls and problematic players and ignore that they exist *literally everywhere*?

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Is it another time when we pretend that only NA has trolls and problematic players and ignore that they exist *literally everywhere*?

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is it time to pretend the billboard debacle coulda happened anywhere? really. :P j/k

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Is it another time when we pretend that only NA has trolls and problematic players and ignore that they exist *literally everywhere*?

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Say it louder for the people in the back. There are quite a few things I could say about the things I've heard and seen with the EU/JP community but I prefer to make my own choices and viewpoints based on interacting with others myself, rather than shoving everyone from one place under the umbrella of "bad". Maybe I'm just weird but assuming an entire culture/community is one way because of events that went down (which, again, don't even showcase both sides of the situation) or from the news (which is constantly overexaggerated for shock value or bias, especially in the US), or from hearsay (where again, you probably aren't getting both sides of the story and a version intended to make the speaker look better) is a choice. The amount of closed-mindedness in this thread is honestly really sad.

I'm not gonna post further on this cause I've said all I can but it really makes me sad.

Nothing is more important than letting people play with their cross-region friends.

Nothing.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Say it louder for the people in the back. There are quite a few things I could say about the things I've heard and seen with the EU/JP community but I prefer to make my own choices and viewpoints based on interacting with others myself, rather than shoving everyone from one place under the umbrella of "bad". Maybe I'm just weird but assuming an entire culture/community is one way because of events that went down (which, again, don't even showcase both sides of the situation) or from the news (which is constantly overexaggerated for shock value or bias, especially in the US), or from hearsay (where again, you probably aren't getting both sides of the story and a version intended to make the speaker look better) is a choice. The amount of closed-mindedness in this thread is honestly really sad.

I'm not gonna post further on this cause I've said all I can but it really makes me sad.

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Hey Peter, remember the time the JP doxxed a streamer for using add-ons? That was freakin' sweet, lol.

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Originally Posted by Yodada

Tbh please speak for yourself and stop pretending everyone wants Crossregion DC Travel. For me I don't want NA on EU Servers either.

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yeha but nobody cares about EU
you are not japanese
you will never be japanese
you are at the same bottom rung of the social hierarchy as NA

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Hey Peter, remember the time the JP doxxed a streamer for using add-ons? That was freakin' sweet, lol.

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yeah but that was a deserved dox, you don't get to do illegal shit punishable by japanese law and get away with it.
However japan has some less than savory individuals too https://twitter.com/120sct

While it would be nice to be able to see my friends who plays in EU/JP, I probably prefer to have it only if we have something like "hide other players from different DC excluding friends"-kind of feature, or something similar.

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

yeah but that was a deserved dox, you don't get to do illegal shit punishable by japanese law and get away with it.
However japan has some less than savory individuals too https://twitter.com/120sct

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I can't read Japanese, what is supposed to be being said here?