Can we make Eos and Selene one button?

Just wondering if we can make Eos and Selene one button. They can both be out and just hang around each other. Eos can do the animation for Whispering Dawn and Selene can do the animation for Fey Illumination. Then they can do a little dbz fusion animation or something for Seraph. They could even have a little idle animation where they chat. It's sad that they're sisters yet never get to hang out with each other.

Aren't they explained to be two forms of the same entity (Lily)?

can't we just have faeries that do different things back instead?

Okay, nevermind.

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Originally Posted by fulminating

can't we just have faeries that do different things back instead?

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That would be the ideal scenario, yes. As it is right now, it serves no purpose to have 2 fairies. Going even further, I think it would be nice if we had more fairies that all bring different benefits.

The main issue that we had back when there were two faeries was that DPS conscious healers would exclusively use the faerie that boosted party DPS and the overhealing healers would exclusively use the healing focused faerie. If we go back to two different faeries with distinct abilities, we'll go back to that. And if you're only ever going to use one of the faeries, why even have two faeries?

Better would be to have both kinds of faerie actions always available regardless of which faerie you actually have summoned, and just make the animation for each action cause the fairy to twirl around and transform into the appropriate aspect, without having to explicitly summon the opposite aspect and without actually changing the pet instance. Just the model and animation.


Then you could pick your favorite to have out most of the time, and only put that one button on your bar, but you could still use all the faerie actions. Suppose you choose to Summon Selene because she's the best because purple. Then whenever you use Whispering Dawn, as part of the animation she would quick change to Eos, throw the glitter, then quick change back to Selene. But if you had Eos out, Whispering Dawn would just make her throw the glitter with no transformations. Likewise, with Eos out, Fey Whisper would make her quick change to Selene, do the thing, then quick change back to Eos.

That way, everyone gets to keep their favorite faerie out, everyone can choose to keep only one of the buttons on their bar if they want, nobody locks themselves out of half their faerie actions, and the lore regarding the two faerie aspects doesn't need to be retconned.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

The main issue that we had back when there were two faeries was that DPS conscious healers would exclusively use the faerie that boosted party DPS and the overhealing healers would exclusively use the healing focused faerie. If we go back to two different faeries with distinct abilities, we'll go back to that. And if you're only ever going to use one of the faeries, why even have two faeries?

Better would be to have both kinds of faerie actions always available regardless of which faerie you actually have summoned, and just make the animation for each action cause the fairy to twirl around and transform into the appropriate aspect, without having to explicitly summon the opposite aspect and without actually changing the pet instance. Just the model and animation.

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I'd still like for SCH's gameplay aspect to be choosing a fairy and adapting to situations with that fairy. Not only was Selene having a DPS option an issue like you said, but the rest of her kit would be otherwise useless in endgame today. Silence is covered by p.ranged/tanks and Esuna barely sees use. Having both fairies' abilities on the hotbar might also see some issues with button bloat.

I think Selene should get relevant utility/mitigation tools that don't effect DPS. Maybe buff a target with Eye for an Eye, or have a small shield, or buff magic defense, or maybe even Expedient which would've been perfect for Selene. Eos could get pure healing tools, such as her staple regen, a heal GCD potency buff, Fey Blessing as it is now, or maybe AoE Excog from pvp. I think something like this, paired with an oGCD that swaps Eos/Selene on a longish cooldown, would see more use from both of them and reinforce SCH's identity as the pet healer.

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Originally Posted by fulminating

can't we just have faeries that do different things back instead?

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Missed opportunity to have AST and SCH be dual healers with the former having Diurnal/Noct and the latter having Eos/Selene. Also I feel like Dissipation should have been both faeries out at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Marxam

Also I feel like Dissipation should have been both faeries out at the same time.

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Aw man, imagine if you had a mechanical choice between fairies and Dissipation temporarily gave you an improved version if the one not currently out.

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Originally Posted by flowerfairy

I'd still like for SCH's gameplay aspect to be choosing a fairy and adapting to situations with that fairy. Not only was Selene having a DPS option an issue like you said, but the rest of her kit would be otherwise useless in endgame today. Silence is covered by p.ranged/tanks and Esuna barely sees use. Having both fairies' abilities on the hotbar might also see some issues with button bloat.

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Then have a single Summon Faerie button that has a cast time if no faerie is out but thereafter becomes an instant oGCD that quickswaps faeries. Potential button bloat eliminated. Regardless, swapping faeries to access the other set of actions needs to be instant and oGCD or else we'll still have the problem of people only ever using one of the faeries.

Oh Selene how I misseth thee~

Nothing was cooler than having to fae dance.

Not even Royal Road :3

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Originally Posted by fulminating

can't we just have faeries that do different things back instead?

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They can still be the same button.
Just make Eos summoned by default and just make that button swap fairy.

Selene is THICCER!

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

They can still be the same button.
Just make Eos summoned by default and just make that button swap fairy.

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The day they make both pets different is probably the day they finally make Fairy skills work on their GCD (Pet GCD skills instead) rather than a command on the Scholar's part (Scholar oGCD -> Pet oGCD). Stormblood iteration of Scholar is pretty much the ideal way to control pet skill activations.
Otherwise we still have ridiculous amounts of Ghosting.

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Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

The day they make both pets different is probably the day they finally make Fairy skills work on their GCD (Pet GCD skills instead) rather than a command on the Scholar's part (Scholar oGCD -> Pet oGCD). Stormblood iteration of Scholar is pretty much the ideal way to control pet skill activations.
Otherwise we still have ridiculous amounts of Ghosting.

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Yes I think this is the number one issue with fairies. They can keep "improving" the AI every other expansion but it will always be clunkier compared to literally every other oGCD in the game because you're commanding another entity to do it. Please bring back pet GCDs, and bring back manual Embrace and change Obey/Sic so the fairy only auto Embraces and not use her other spells.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

Then have a single Summon Faerie button that has a cast time if no faerie is out but thereafter becomes an instant oGCD that quickswaps faeries. Potential button bloat eliminated. Regardless, swapping faeries to access the other set of actions needs to be instant and oGCD or else we'll still have the problem of people only ever using one of the faeries.

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Agreed, if we want to encourage swapping Eos/Selene consistently in a fight then there should be a way to change them losslessly. I'd personally like for Dissipation to change to that kind of oGCD, put it at 60/90s and make it swap the fairy and lock Summon for 20s, and it can put Rouse on her as well. Or it can grant 30 fairy gauge and change the gauge to a bar that Rouses the fairy since Aetherpact sucks and I hate it.

We might see some rework to Scholar since Astrologian cards are getting reworked for 7.0 and Scholar is suppose to rival Astrologian as the buffing healer. So we could see some big changes to scholar too. Just have to wait and see.

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Originally Posted by flowerfairy

and Esuna barely sees use.

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While rather niche, I'd consider oGCD aoe Esuna an incredible advantage, even if you only need to cleanse 1-2 people.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

While rather niche, I'd consider oGCD aoe Esuna an incredible advantage, even if you only need to cleanse 1-2 people.

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It's an incredible advantage when usable, but we have yet to see Esuna in P1S-P8S or DSR (TEA had Throttle, maybe the next ultimate will do something with Esuna again). In any case, I'd prefer for it to be an additional effect instead of taking a whole slot. For example, Selene's 120s CD could be 15% magic defense + AoE Esuna and Eos's 120s CD could be 5% magic defense + 15% heal GCD potency buff.

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Originally Posted by Shihen

Just wondering if we can make Eos and Selene one button. They can both be out and just hang around each other. Eos can do the animation for Whispering Dawn and Selene can do the animation for Fey Illumination. Then they can do a little dbz fusion animation or something for Seraph. They could even have a little idle animation where they chat. It's sad that they're sisters yet never get to hang out with each other.

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At first I was wondering wth you are talking about. Then….oh a macro like with SMN pets. Get rid of an extra button for something else? I’m for it.

It's weird why they removed differences between the two fairies in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Succor

It's weird why they removed differences between the two fairies in the first place.

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Probably the same reason for most job changes/reworks since Shadowbringers, they think it's either too complicated for us (they must assume we all have smooth brains) or they can't be bothered to balance it.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Probably the same reason for most job changes/reworks since Shadowbringers, they think it's either too complicated for us (they must assume we all have smooth brains) or they can't be bothered to balance it.

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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it was as simple as 'oh wait shit we made TEA have a bit where you have to Esuna debuffs, and SCH has an AOE esuna, lets remove that so it doesn't have a massive advantage over AST. Wait we have nothing to replace it with... Ah screw it, just remove the haste effect too and make the fairies do the same thing, most people only used the healing one anyway'