Tales from the Dawn #4: "A Question of Death" (Jullus)

A Question of Death

Sobering. Most interesting to me were the Garlean wives' names.

I also found that the writing piece inspires resolve. It seems pretty clear cut.

Your thoughts?

Hah, I won a bet with a friend! I had a hunch that at least one of the stories would revolve around Garlemald and specifically Jullus. I'm glad we finally learned more names of prominent Garlean lore figures.

I enjoyed the story. Garlemald's always been one of the more interesting aspects of the setting to me for various reasons.

It's great to see the story end on a bittersweet but hopeful note - the surviving Garleans will carve a place for themselves within Etheirys one way or another. It'll be interesting to see where the dangling plot thread of Jullus working with Alisae and Alphinaud leads when the MSQ's pick that up again.

Pretty good! I feel like I find the way EW advocates coping with loss to be just a little immature - showing disinterest in what the actual feelings of the now-dead were in favor of conceptualizing them as having died for and living on though you feels like a decent coping mechanism, but might be be so great in terms of further developing empathy and learning to look the complex tragedies of the world in the eye. Still, it's a sweet story all the same that'll probably touch a lot of people.

Sounds like a lot of the Garlean government is still intact in the provinces, as you'd expect with just the capital getting blown up. Even if the Empire is finished, it doesn't seem like we're done dealing with its legacy.

Ooh, a story about an event we didn't already know about! I love it, and the Garleans were honestly the most compelling part of Endwalker's writing, so I'm always happy to see us go there. (Followed by sad at 'oh right, the entire civilization was ground into dust by a selfish fight idiot and a suicidal wizard-scientist').

That glimpse of the photo says a whole lot without being definite about any of it; seems like none of the Royal Family was very happy at all even in their best days. And hey, a mention of the women of the royal family, that's vanishingly rare.

Even with the dour tone of the story, there was a single point I had to laugh at, though.

Why hello there, person we took the key from during In From the Cold. Didn't expect to see you here!

EDIT: Something largely unrelated to the story, but struck me when thinking about events related to it and I'm stunned I didn't realize it before:

The Garlean Empire named their main class of magitek walkers after their original vanguard of defenders.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

The Garlean Empire named their main class of magitek walkers after their original vanguard of defenders.

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...oh, wow. That's really cute, actually.

I kinda wonder if the writers did that on purpose or if they just used a cool name twice without making the connection, though.

This story just makes me hope they'll delve into the political mess left in the wake of the empire's fall sooner then later with an issue in Ilsabard warranting our attention.

Between the remaining Garlean legions and some manner of "great change" looming on the horizon, I can imagine all kinds of ways for things to go sideways.

I think hmm honestly I don't know what to think. It wasn't a bad story by any means at all. I did like it better than the indifference I had for the previous story. I am glad someone found that soldier. Maybe we will be able to help them fix up Garlemald.

Man I really hope some patch content focuses on Garlemald, it's the only one of Endwalker's story hooks that isn't getting anything in the patches so far.

Also, is Lucius being the name of Varis's father new? I know all the wives' names are.

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Originally Posted by Lurina

...oh, wow. That's really cute, actually.

I kinda wonder if the writers did that on purpose or if they just used a cool name twice without making the connection, though.

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It was probably on accident since the reaper magitek model was named ages ago, but I really really like the implications of it. I was just replaying the part of MSQ where you steal one from Castrum Centri last night and giggling at them saying "they stole a reaper!" while playing RPR. Now I wish I had caught on to the implications of that yesterday.

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Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier

Man I really hope some patch content focuses on Garlemald, it's the only one of Endwalker's story hooks that isn't getting anything in the patches so far.

Also, is Lucius being the name of Varis's father new? I know all the wives' names are.

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I suspect there is a plan to go there for more, because they've made noticeably little out of the fact that Alphinaud and Alisaie are there. They haven't turned up in this story or the all-roles capstone. (My guess is that they're the crafting tribe.)

And yes, Lucius' name is new to us!

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Originally Posted by Lurina

...oh, wow. That's really cute, actually.

I kinda wonder if the writers did that on purpose or if they just used a cool name twice without making the connection, though.

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My guess is 'a little from column A, a little from column B'; they probably had most of the idea for Reaper before then, and then the common name helped them connect it to Garlemald.

Nice to have the imperial family tree fleshed out, in particular the female members. Hypatia is an interesting choice to namedrop. The most famous Hypatia was the Alexandrian mathematician and philosopher murdered by Christians, so I wonder if the name was picked for us to imagine this Imperial Princess a key figure in the invention and advancement of Garlean tech or something more cultural.

Perhaps I'm just hypersensitive to the Imperial Roman parallels, but I saw a vague hint when Jullus was fumbling for whom to pray to, since the native Garlean theology had been replaced by veneration of the Imperial House, and settles on the ancestors, because ancestor worship along with the minor household gods was central to Ancient Roman religious practices.

Glad that his fellows were supportive of the one choosing to immigrate to Sharleyan and I agree that they're saving the twins and the Garleans for a later patch.

On that, I am also not surprised that provinces are reclaiming their independence and autonomy but at the same time the short story isn't giving us any details or names of the places or that any substantive political movement is being made i.e recognizing the new nations on the world stage or a freed province invading another a la Landros, Bojza, and Dalmasca. Got to leave the board blank so that later patches and expansions have some freedom to create. Though I do find some dark humor in that 'Independence from the Garlean Empire' will soon be probably the most wildly and commonly celebrated holiday in Etheirys.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

(My guess is that they're the crafting tribe.)

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That would make sense, though they'd probably be the most un-tribe-like tribal quest, lol.


Here's a visual of the Galvus family tree:
https://twitter.com/ritostime/status...97952171290624

It will definitely be a long road for the Garleans, whatever the case. Their inability to use aether is liable to make them very appealing targets for their neighbors now that so much of their magitek is gone.

Yay a non Ancient story! I'm glad someone found that poor guy we got the key from. Also yay more Royal family names. Is this the first time we see the name Lucius? I had a small laugh cause if so then Hi XV. I think the earliest we will see more of the twins and Jullus is on the tail end of 6.3. They're the only non B team Scions you can readily poke on the world map that we haven't touched in with since the end of 6.0. Everyone else is either on an instanced map or in a location the devs don't allow us to poke whenever we want to. I do wonder who the Garleans worshiped before religion wasn't allowed while also needing to hold the Royal family in reverence at all times.

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Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier

That would make sense, though they'd probably be the most un-tribe-like tribal quest, lol.


Here's a visual of the Galvus family tree:
https://twitter.com/ritostime/status...97952171290624

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It's possible they may not be a tribe, but be another Restoration area like Doma and Ishgard. PLEASE let this be the case.

Probably the story I enjoyed the most of the batch. I'm glad they fleshed out some aspects of life in Garlemald prior to its fall, like the entry on Unity Day, the make-up of the imperial family, the tidbits about Solus as emperor, the contrast between the two strains of the family, and how Jullus reflected on Zenos's senseless act of destruction, as well as describing his own personal tragedy.

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Originally Posted by Lurina

Pretty good! I feel like I find the way EW advocates coping with loss to be just a little immature - showing disinterest in what the actual feelings of the now-dead were in favor of conceptualizing them as having died for and living on though you feels like a decent coping mechanism, but might be be so great in terms of further developing empathy and learning to look the complex tragedies of the world in the eye. Still, it's a sweet story all the same that'll probably touch a lot of people.

Sounds like a lot of the Garlean government is still intact in the provinces, as you'd expect with just the capital getting blown up. Even if the Empire is finished, it doesn't seem like we're done dealing with its legacy.

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Yeah, agreed, even if I liked the final touch of the elegy and I do find the sentiment moving in its own way. The world is a bit strange, in the sense that the 'dead' will eventually be with you in some sense or other given its soul resurrection mechanism, itself described as agnostic to vice or virtue in its workings, but even so there is still death in the sense that the person those surviving the death knew is now gone for good, and certainly once the Aetherial Sea has worked its powerwash "magic".

I'd like to say this mentality makes some manner of sense for the Garleans, because of their history of persecution as a result of their general inability to manipulate aether and thus, their mindset of being against the entire world, and their answer to avoiding further persecution being to retain a position of unassailable strength, such as that which an empire could provide, even if it meant thereby becoming the aggressors; I think the below quote sums up their driving mindset well, whether one takes it as rooted in their history, a founding mythos or, as is probably the case, a bit of both. So it helps form a type of strength that lets them cope with the sheer amount of bloodshed they no doubt endured to find a foothold as a kind of fertiliser for the well-being of their future generations, and show a kind of posthumous gratitude to the sacrifices of the departed. Equally it is not exactly an approach that is conducive to empathy so much as pressing forward to get the (bloody) job done. It's great for the purposes of steeling resolve when there's less time to stop and think about it and when there's wars to be won and plenty of (arguably) senseless death that accompanies it, but ultimately it doesn't undo the tragedy involved upon further reflection and, yes, even encourage one to stop short of that.

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They led us to greatness. We who formed the vanguard of history's grand march forward. His city was the heart of the world, through which flowed blood stronger than steel─a bond between countrymen that would remain unbroken even should their every enemy join together to oppose them. Glory be to Garlemald.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's great to see the story end on a bittersweet but hopeful note - the surviving Garleans will carve a place for themselves within Etheirys one way or another. It'll be interesting to see where the dangling plot thread of Jullus working with Alisae and Alphinaud leads when the MSQ's pick that up again.

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I do hope they touch upon those provinces where the Purebloods choose to make their new homeland(s) at a future juncture rather than just drop it. Especially since there was a mixture of attitudes towards the empire, depending on how the province was treated by it.

Some musings based around the ending to this wonderful story we were given on second more awake read:

The part I'm referencing.

but one inscrutable passage had stayed with him:

"Let this be my final gift to you. In death, my love."


In death we have the power to bequeath the life we might have had─the possibilities and potential─to others. To grant them what they need to go on...or so the poet said.

Was your key one such gift?

Would my mother, my brother, my sister─would they tell me to accept theirs?

Lord Quintus, with his suicide? My comrades, whom I failed? My countrymen, gone without a word?

Did you leave your lives, and your love, to me?


The dead do not answer, yet the wound within ceases its bleeding for a time.

If that is our truth...

"Then let it be our meaning. Let it be the chain which binds us through generations. Live on in me, as I would have in you."

And perhaps...

"Perhaps we may yet live on in others."

The dead do not answer, but light shines through the broken ceiling, and Jullus follows it to behold a brightened sky. His comrades at Tertium will be waking soon. In apology and gratitude, he offers one last silent prayer to his kinsman ere departing.

Be at peace─and know that you are with me.

Jullus stands, and forges ahead into the dawn.

There are so many layers to this if you think about all of the people we've lost throughout the story of FFXIV.

Louisoix. Haurchefant. Papalymo. Hades. Elidibus. Venat. Zenos. Midgardsormr.

Each of them fought for what they loved and desired, and upon each of their deaths we were gifted something. Be it the potential to live on, or a crystal or a teleporter key.

And they are not alone in that, with side stories and characters taken into account.

It's dripping with depth. I feel like it's the theme Endwalker wanted to have, since we can only forge ahead with the leavings of our past. Our loved ones.

I feel like there's so much more to say, but I'm having a hard time articulating my thoughts on this. It's moved me to tears.

Hmmmm.... I'm honestly having a fair bit of difficulty forging my thoughts into words for this story. I guess the most articulate and accurate thing I can say is that it's left me feeling.... ambivalent? I dunno. I CAN tell you that this is the first short story that I didn't procrastinate for days to read out of a general lack of interest in the topic matter revealed. I'm as usual not even remotely surprised they were incapable of not falling prey to inserting their 'FORGE AHEAD' message at the end, but I've since come to accept this is the Eorzea we live in now. Doesn't do much to improve my general day to day mood, but then what does?

I suppose in the end I need more from Garlemald in story to deliver a full, proper verdict on just how I feel about this short story. The other three were all too easy to formulate my thoughts on, the Watcher I have little and less interest in. Hermes is dead and dusted and boy am I happy about it for he deserved nothing less. Erenville's was okay, I liked it but the character himself is a bit boring and bland as of now and I want them to expand on him more.

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Originally Posted by Denishia

On that, I am also not surprised that provinces are reclaiming their independence and autonomy but at the same time the short story isn't giving us any details or names of the places or that any substantive political movement is being made i.e recognizing the new nations on the world stage or a freed province invading another a la Landros, Bojza, and Dalmasca. Got to leave the board blank so that later patches and expansions have some freedom to create. Though I do find some dark humor in that 'Independence from the Garlean Empire' will soon be probably the most wildly and commonly celebrated holiday in Etheirys.

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It becomes far less humorous when you realize what may very well soon happen to these now relatively defenseless, leaderless, nationless, and perhaps most importantly aetherless and magickless Garlean soldiers and citizens left in the lurch by their nation's passing into history. Corvos in particular's resolution may not be as stable and pretty as some think.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

It will definitely be a long road for the Garleans, whatever the case. Their inability to use aether is liable to make them very appealing targets for their neighbors now that so much of their magitek is gone.

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Absimiliard has the right of it, here. When you consider just how many Eorzeans wished to link up with the Ilsabard contingent for the sole purpose of revenge-driven murder, I cannot begin to worry for those non-soldiers in regions no longer protected by the nation of Garlemald and it's resources. Keep in mind, that places like Corvos, Dalmasca, and Bozja etc. are places where the Eorzean Alliance and the various city-states don't really have any form of direct control/influence over what happens there. That's not even mentioning places further out into Ilsabard we haven't even seen yet. Historically, those who were apart of now-broken Empires tend to be treated extremely poorly by those who saw themselves as oppressed. I just how dynamic of who is the oppressor does not change, as it has already once before in Eorzean history. We all know from Endwalker alone just how little the protagonists take the past into proper introspection when decided how to deal with the travails of today.

The most likely outcome is a resurgence of the same abuses that paved the way for the Empire's birth in the first place. They are now almost as helpless as their ancestors were when robbed of their lands, butchered like animals, and abducted en masse to be worked to death as slaves.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

The most likely outcome is a resurgence of the same abuses that paved the way for the Empire's birth in the first place. They are now almost as helpless as their ancestors were when robbed of their lands and abducted en masse to be worked to death as slaves.

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If that was the case then we wouldn't have gone up there to help them. The rest of the continent is rather busy with rebuilding/reorganizing themselves after 50 years of Garlean oppression.

Have you ever seen what happens when an oppressed people gain their freedom? The first thing on their mind is normally revenge. Rebuilding may take to priority early on so as to make certain their needs are being met, but what do you think comes after? Or am I expected to believe people of Etheirys are above such petty things?

I feel like in order to be appealing targets for invasion, the Garleans need to not only be weak, but also have a resource that is worth going to war for.

The land of Garlemald isn't very valuable for farmland, and the big cerulean deposits they're sitting on are not going to be in high demand without the Garlean Empire's war machine.

Also, doing so now would mean souring diplomatic relations with Sharlayan, Thavanair, and the Eorzean Alliance, not a good idea really.

Ceruleum is currently employed by all major nations for everything from lighting to cooking, and the gradual adoption of magitek as a whole is very likely to expand that demand even further. Heck, Ishgard is about to start rocking magitek heaters. Cid's been working in Eorzea for a while, and now the Garleans themselves are pretty likely to share technology as a means of remaining useful.

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Originally Posted by KariTheFox

I feel like in order to be appealing targets for invasion, the Garleans need to not only be weak, but also have a resource that is worth going to war for.

The land of Garlemald isn't very valuable for farmland, and the big cerulean deposits they're sitting on are not going to be in high demand without the Garlean Empire's war machine.

Also, doing so now would mean souring diplomatic relations with Sharlayan, Thavanair, and the Eorzean Alliance, not a good idea really.

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The Garleans were attacked even over those scant resources as outlined in the reaper job quests:

https://i.imgur.com/t07ckIP.png

Furthermore, ceruleum is an incredibly valuable resource that can only be found in specific places - and all signs are pointing to many nations embracing magitek to a greater degree even when accounting for purely non-military pursuits.

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Originally Posted by KariTheFox

I feel like in order to be appealing targets for invasion, the Garleans need to not only be weak, but also have a resource that is worth going to war for.

The land of Garlemald isn't very valuable for farmland, and the big cerulean deposits they're sitting on are not going to be in high demand without the Garlean Empire's war machine.

Also, doing so now would mean souring diplomatic relations with Sharlayan, Thavanair, and the Eorzean Alliance, not a good idea really.

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You do realize ceruleum has far, far more varied uses beyond just war and magitek right? Have we already forgotten Limsa Lominsa's "Garleans are free real estate" policy regarding privateer raids? Eorzea already had every use for ceruleum even before Endwalker. Also, don't think I didn't notice y'all sidestepping the issue I proposed here. It's not the city-states reactions I'm worried about, it's the former Imperial provinces that the Eorzean Alliance has no real manner of control over the actions of. As the Ilsabard contingent proves, many people held an irrational hatred for Garlemald that clouded their judgement and it barred them from participating in the rescue efforts. For what reason have we been given that these hatreds have suddenly evaporated now that Eorzea need no longer unify its' attentions towards the common threat that was the Final Days?

This is the same manner of reasoning and trains of thought that excused the atrocities of the Exodus of Locus Amoenus, and forged the likes of Yotsuyu goe Brutus and Fordola rem Lupis.

"Focus on my problems and woes, these other dilemmas can be solved later!"

....Meanwhile, far after those woes have been dissolved suddenly the original issue is left languishing and unresolved, stirring up hatreds that didn't need to come to fruition. If only more people had cared beyond their own interests.

What sounds more likely for this game when it finally progresses the plot-threads of the aftermath of the Garlean Empire’s collapse: with the assistance of the Eorzean Alliance, a Garlemald without all its conquered territories and under a new government that is not free of problems or corruption but is lightyears ahead of what was before, bolstered by its technologically educated citizens and cerulean deposit (which it does not have a monopoly on) begins to rebuild and stabilize into a country that no longer threatens peace in Ilsabard - to invoke the post WWII fates of Japan and Germany? Or that it stays a desolate wasteland with only a few refugee stragglers? Or it becomes an exploited colony of Eorzea, thus suffering the fate it had inflicted or tried to inflict on other places like Eorzea and Doma? Or a few years of seeming reform before a new dictator restarts the imperial ambitions and invades a neighbor by claiming to liberate oppressed Garleans? At least while the WoL is around I have a feeling that the first option is the most likely even if the last two have their historical predecessors as well.

And until we get more of Ilsabard’s map revealed (in 7.0, one hopes) the fates of the other conquered territories and the surviving Garlean legions stationed there and the fates of the colonial ruling class (and conscription army) and if they clung to power, made alliances with the native populations that they conquered and had at least for some been invested in for fifty years, or were all expelled or killed with the odd exception- well that’s been left purposefully blank. Maybe we’ll never learn about the other Ilsabard nation states except Werlyt and Corvos.

Who knows? A lot of us didn't expect the game to praise acts of deliberate genocide as a 'necessity' though the story did exactly that when it came to Venat/Hydaelyn. It's been firmly established that the protagonists are very happy to turn a blind eye to horrific atrocities so long as it does not affect them directly and they stand to benefit in some way.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Who knows? A lot of us didn't expect the game to praise acts of deliberate genocide as a 'necessity' though the story did exactly that when it came to Venat/Hydaelyn. It's been firmly established that the protagonists are very happy to turn a blind eye to horrific atrocities so long as it does not affect them directly and they stand to benefit in some way.

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I get the feeling that the Garleans are going to soon return to their status before the empire's existence, a group of people exploited and bullied by everyone else. And our magnificent lovely 'heroes' are going to tell them to simply 'Forge Ahead' (TM). Or they might just just be forced to Forge Ahead (TM) all the way to the moon and go into lunar sleep cause as we all know, this expansion can't do anything other than rip off FF4 every 5 seconds.

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Originally Posted by KariTheFox

I feel like in order to be appealing targets for invasion, the Garleans need to not only be weak, but also have a resource that is worth going to war for.

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They are, and Ceruleum.

Nice way to fan the flames and bring up said topic many are tired of retreading

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Have you ever seen what happens when an oppressed people gain their freedom? The first thing on their mind is normally revenge. Rebuilding may take to priority early on so as to make certain their needs are being met, but what do you think comes after? Or am I expected to believe people of Etheirys are above such petty things?

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That's not what happens normally. There might be a fight for independence to free themselves. Slaves in America didn't up and kill all the white people after the civil war. After the fighting died down in Hati, they didn't go hunting down any french people as two examples from the real world. So yes, As it was stated in game already, nobody cares about making the Garleans suffer.

Just to put this thing to bed real quick. Nobody but the Garlean's care about ceruleum So no one would be invading them for that. The garleans used it to heat their homes before they used it in weapons to make up for not being able to use magic. Using fantasy oil just sounds like extra steps when you can cast fire1 if your cold at night.

I strongly advise cracking open a history book at your earliest convenience.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Nice way to fan the flames and bring up said topic many are tired of retreading

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Gonna have to call Goobue Poo on this one, new-old friend. We certainly weren't the ones who mentioned how funny it would be to see a holiday based on cultural erasure. Not that the Garleans have much culture left to erase~

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It's not gonna stop being offensive any time soon, these double standards. Of that, I can assure you.

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Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

That's not what happens normally. There might be a fight for independence to free themselves. Slaves in America didn't up and kill all the white people after the civil war. After the fighting died down in Hati, they didn't go hunting down any french people as two examples from the real world. So yes, As it was stated in game already, nobody cares about making the Garleans suffer.

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Pretty sure they stated the polar opposite (psst psst, Ilsabard Contingent), but you go ahead and believe whatever you darn well please. That is your right as a sovereign citizen and general overall human being.

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Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

Just to put this thing to bed real quick. Nobody but the Garlean's care about ceruleum So no one would be invading them for that. The garleans used it to heat their homes before they used it in weapons to make up for not being able to use magic. Using fantasy oil just sounds like extra steps when you can cast fire1 if your cold at night.

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I'm sorry, but who are you to "put this topic to bed" anyway? Say what you will, nobody's obligated to cease speaking of a frankly rather relevant topic merely because one poster finds it distasteful. Also, we have a literal mountain (a ceruleum and Magitek mountain, also known as Garlond Ironworks) proving this is simply not the case. What precisely do you imagine the airships that Eorzea hath since grown fond of runs off of since their introduction into polite society, anyway? Merely curious.

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Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

So yes, As it was stated in game already, nobody cares about making the Garleans suffer.

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Wasn't there a massive plot point in the Garlemald section of the MSQ about how literally everyone wanted to just kill the Garleans and the Scions had to convince them not to? And I'm pretty sure that even though the Eorzeans in the contingent there got over that (and even then, not entirely), you still have... *checks notes* literally everyone else still wanting to.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

Wasn't there a massive plot point in the Garlemald section of the MSQ about how literally everyone wanted to just kill the Garleans and the Scions had to convince them not to? And I'm pretty sure that even though the Eorzeans in the contingent there got over that (and even then, not entirely), you still have... *checks notes* literally everyone else still wanting to.

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We also saw it with the end of the Dragonsong War with many Ishgardians still desiring vengeance for their fallen and working from the shadows to undermine attempts at forging peace with the Dravanians.

We also see it in the present day in our world with people using social media to rant about things that happened before they were even born and demanding 'retribution' and 'reparations' from people who have no direct ties to the supposed misdeeds in question.

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Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai

I'm sorry, but who are you to "put this topic to bed" anyway? Say what you will, nobody's obligated to cease speaking of a frankly rather relevant topic merely because one poster finds it distasteful.

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Whoa whoa whoa! Senti! That's no random poster! That's the Great Oatmeal! You should show him more respect and let him put topics to bed if he wishes, lest he use the power of oats against you!

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Originally Posted by Theodric

We also saw it with the end of the Dragonsong War with many Ishgardians still desiring vengeance for their fallen and working from the shadows to undermine attempts at forging peace with the Dravanians.

We also see it in the present day in our world with people using social media to rant about things that happened before they were even born and demanding 'retribution' and 'reparations' from people who have no direct ties to the supposed misdeeds in question.

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True, we've seen this in-game before AND in our real world many times before. I'm not sure why some think that anti-Garlean discrimination wouldn't be a concern for the displaced Garleans going forwards. I think people have a problem understanding that an oppressor can very easily become the oppressed after their power has been removed. That's exactly what happened when the Garlean empire came to power. The people who were the oppressors, oppressing the Garleans, became the oppressed as the Garleans sought revenge. It is very possible that this happens again in the future, with anti-Garlean discrimination once more pushing the Garleans into a corner where they create another empire.

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Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

That's not what happens normally. There might be a fight for independence to free themselves. Slaves in America didn't up and kill all the white people after the civil war. After the fighting died down in Hati, they didn't go hunting down any french people as two examples from the real world. So yes, As it was stated in game already, nobody cares about making the Garleans suffer.

Just to put this thing to bed real quick. Nobody but the Garlean's care about ceruleum So no one would be invading them for that. The garleans used it to heat their homes before they used it in weapons to make up for not being able to use magic. Using fantasy oil just sounds like extra steps when you can cast fire1 if your cold at night.

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I've no idea what you think it is you're "putting to bed" but...

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Blue_Gold#Dialogue

Granted, this particular merchant changes his plans as to where he intends to source it from, but it's evident from the quest dialogue he is not alone in this interest in ceruleum and its applications.

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Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai

We certainly weren't the ones who mentioned how funny it would be to see a holiday based on cultural erasure. Not that the Garleans have much culture left to erase~

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The Garleans conquered people and regions in Ilsabard, Othard, and Aldenard that were not Garlean (even Corvos was pointed out in-game contrary to Garlean claims to have people that claimed it as a homeland long before the Garleans and whom were still living there when the Garleans invaded). The Garleans actively engaged in cultural erasure; that’s one of their Empire’s core characteristics (and the first religion and traditional government and practices like Jobs that was suppressed was their own). So yes, that the other conquered Garlean regions will be like Dalmasca, Doma, Werlyt, Bozja, Corvos, Ala Mhigo, and Xangia is something I will be pleased with. And they all have rightful reason to resent their conquerors or not, and there is a plethora of ways to take the story of their liberations and how they chart their post-Imperial freedom. Landros for example tried to conquer its neighbors and be Imperial Garlemald lite. The countries aligned with the Scions, so far, haven’t. And the Scion-allied Eorzean Alliance is right now in Garlemald itself explicitly to protect the Garleans there from being exploited or invaded by others. Time will tell if that effort is successful or continues. Or what stories FFXIV wishes to tell outside its borders, if it’s not a rehash of what’s already been done with all of Stormblood, Ivalice, Bozja, and Werlyt.

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Originally Posted by Denishia

The Garleans conquered people and regions in Ilsabard, Othard, and Aldenard that were not Garlean (even Corvos was pointed out in-game contrary to Garlean claims to have people that claimed it as a homeland long before the Garleans and whom were still living there when the Garleans invaded). The Garleans actively engaged in cultural erasure; that’s one of their Empire’s core characteristics (and the first religion and traditional government and practices like Jobs that was suppressed was their own). So yes, that the other conquered Garlean regions will be like Dalmasca, Doma, Werlyt, Bozja, Corvos, Ala Mhigo, and Xangia is something I will be pleased with. And they all have rightful reason to resent their conquerors or not, and there is a plethora of ways to take the story of their liberations and how they chart their post-Imperial freedom. Landros for example tried to conquer its neighbors and be Imperial Garlemald lite. The countries aligned with the Scions, so far, haven’t. And the Scion-allied Eorzean Alliance is right now in Garlemald itself explicitly to protect the Garleans there from being exploited or invaded by others. Time will tell if that effort is successful or continues. Or what stories FFXIV wishes to tell outside its borders, if it’s not a rehash of what’s already been done with all of Stormblood, Ivalice, Bozja, and Werlyt.

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Ah, whataboutisms and "they deserved it, for they were the oppressors not us, never us."

You love to see it.~ ;3

Frankly, it doesn't matter if Garlemald didn't live in Corvos first. What matters is that they lived there, and we have evidence they were pushed out by violence fueled by envy. What we do not have evidence for, is that they conquered to get in. Not the first time. But I waste my breath, for I speak to the same manner of poster who'd try and rationalize that the displaced pre-Empire Garleans had no right to hold a grudge, build an Empire, and do unto others what was done to them.

And so I inquire, where is that attitude and rationalization now? Now that the coin hath been flipped, where is the forgiveness, the insight, the mercy?

The FORGE AHEAD~

Did it go somewhere? Or perhaps, was it never there to begin with?

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If only people extended the same logic to the Garleans and realized that the Garleans were treated like trash before they were forced up into a barren wasteland in the north. I wonder if people would thus extend the same treatment they give Garlemald to other nations and say that they deserved what they got from Garlemald and that Garlemald has a rightful reason to resent them...

Garleans: *get oppressed*
Fora Knights: Good! You deserve it! Forge ahead losers!
Any other nation: *get oppressed*
Fora Knights: Those dang Garleans!!! :mad::mad::mad:

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The FORGE AHEAD~

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*clears throat* "FoOoOOooORRRrrrrRrGgGGGgEEeEeeE AhhHhhHhhEeeEEeAaaAAaaDDDdDddD!!!!!!!"

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Originally Posted by Denishia

The Garleans conquered people and regions in Ilsabard, Othard, and Aldenard that were not Garlean (even Corvos was pointed out in-game contrary to Garlean claims to have people that claimed it as a homeland long before the Garleans and whom were still living there when the Garleans invaded). The Garleans actively engaged in cultural erasure; that’s one of their Empire’s core characteristics (and the first religion and traditional government and practices like Jobs that was suppressed was their own). So yes, that the other conquered Garlean regions will be like Dalmasca, Doma, Werlyt, Bozja, Corvos, Ala Mhigo, and Xangia is something I will be pleased with. And they all have rightful reason to resent their conquerors or not, and there is a plethora of ways to take the story of their liberations and how they chart their post-Imperial freedom. Landros for example tried to conquer its neighbors and be Imperial Garlemald lite. The countries aligned with the Scions, so far, haven’t. And the Scion-allied Eorzean Alliance is right now in Garlemald itself explicitly to protect the Garleans there from being exploited or invaded by others. Time will tell if that effort is successful or continues. Or what stories FFXIV wishes to tell outside its borders, if it’s not a rehash of what’s already been done with all of Stormblood, Ivalice, Bozja, and Werlyt.

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half and half

the garleans were native to the island that had the clocktower in the ivalice raids, which in its all, is a hume/garlean story, itself being close proximity to corvos. Corvos had people there from when allag fell. Its noted that garleans were rather a weak people UNTILL the empire. Till then garleans for a few centuries came to know corvos home like others but at a certain point, were pushed out from this area but unlike others, could not use magic or aether and could not defend themselves without turning to voidsent. The garleans themselves had their resentment used by the ascians , emet himself to cause that destruction the empire later caused, it was always going to end with a massive civil war or garlmald imploding. they have no leadership, no government, no military.

Just realized I haven't posted my thoughts on the story. I rather liked it, as it was somber, brought back to forefront how the Garleans have a long road ahead of them, and seemed to hint that we'll have more story in Garlemald in the future. Hopefully a Restoration area, if not a full blown sidequest/expansion dealing with them. I hope to see more of Jullus in the future.