WAR is absolute trash

As the title says. Throw it away along with the entire PvP team. It makes absolutely no sense how easy it is to blow up a WAR. Especially since two of their moves help the opposing team to do so also..... Just why? Blood whetting doesn't help in the slightest with all the CC and lack of defensive options for WAR

PvP has demoted from a game with any skill involved to doing rituals to the Old Ones for teammates that aren't utterly clueless.

Class balance isn't even an afterthought, sadly.

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Originally Posted by Oextra

As the title says. Throw it away along with the entire PvP team. It makes absolutely no sense how easy it is to blow up a WAR. Especially since two of their moves help the opposing team to do so also..... Just why? Blood whetting doesn't help in the slightest with all the CC and lack of defensive options for WAR

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Been saying so from the start
People that cuddle just find War op because of primal rend

Blota is honestly REALLY good if used right but most Wars just play war because, same as whm, it's seen as op and nobody knows how to ACTUALLY play warrior

Warrior is a disruptor that displaces people with blota and can protect people with primal rend, that's when bloodhwetting shines. When you crash into people that ARE NOT ON YOU

They are NOT a tank, just as sage and sch are NOT healers
But people continue to play warrior like a tank and not as somebody that pulls people out of line (or the crystal, you can do that and get an easy win in overtimes but shhhhhh) and disrupts, so...

Yes, Warrior is garbage

Its better now that bloodwhetting does 100% healing again, but ya I wish orogeny didn't take HP away when you use it. I really think the entire concept of using HP to use an attack is extremely idiotic design.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Its better now that bloodwhetting does 100% healing again, but ya I wish orogeny didn't take HP away when you use it. I really think the entire concept of using HP to use an attack is extremely idiotic design.

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In a mode with SO MUCH burst damage and CC it's beyond pants-on-head retarded to drain HP for skills UNLESS you get some form of invuln. DRK works for that reason, kinda. WAR doesn't.

Maybe they can fully revert the nerf to bloodwhetting and increase the shield back to 20% health.

I tried war for a few weeks after they buffed blood whetting back up, and it felt okay. But once you start playing better players who can coordinate bursts and cc, war just gets shut down.

I switched to reaper, and I'm having a lot more fun. Reaper has a few issues too, but overall, I feel their kit works better.

Orogeny and onslaught costing health doesn't make sense imo.

We'll see what they do next balance update.

You'll have to play hit and run and stay close with your teammates. Only stay in when you can anticipate you wont take massive burst damage.

Otherwise, just initiate, retreat, and peel.

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Originally Posted by NyneSwordz

Maybe they can fully revert the nerf to bloodwhetting and increase the shield back to 20% health.

I tried war for a few weeks after they buffed blood whetting back up, and it felt okay. But once you start playing better players who can coordinate bursts and cc, war just gets shut down.

I switched to reaper, and I'm having a lot more fun. Reaper has a few issues too, but overall, I feel their kit works better.

Orogeny and onslaught costing health doesn't make sense imo.

We'll see what they do next balance update.

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Definitely. If they don't remove the HP cost for Orogeny and onslaught, they could at least make them work with BW. Also until they do something about all the CC in general, I'm just going to stop playing melee (unless I'm doing Frontline since they're tanky as heck in there lol). It's sad when a tank can't be a tank because of it and other bad designs.

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Originally Posted by Cheremia

They are NOT a tank, just as sage and sch are NOT healers
But people continue to play warrior like a tank and not as somebody that pulls people out of line (or the crystal, you can do that and get an easy win in overtimes but shhhhhh) and disrupts, so...

Yes, Warrior is garbage

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Yup sad truth right here and clear indicator of a big design flaw.

I think the problem with Warrior is that they depend so heavily on dealing damage to sustain themselves. Not only does CC counter their sustain, but any form of shields or mitigation from the enemy also counters their sustain. Which is fine, if they had stronger shields.

Pile on the cost of Orogeny and Onslaught, and a bad situation is made even worse.

It seems like the intended design is to use Blood Whetting for aoe heals to offset the cost of orogeny, but the problem becomes just that - the warrior's self-sustain ability is used to offset damage HE DEALS TO HIMSELF instead of damage sustained from the enemy.

It's a bit better now that they increased the healing back to 100%, but tbh, it's not enough.

orogeny hitting yourself for a midare's worth of damage is lol

Isn't the top player in Chaos DC WAR main?

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Originally Posted by ThaCa

Isn't the top player in Chaos DC WAR main?

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He plays PLD more often but his WAR is still brutal.

I think they should make it more worth the cost HP dmg and debuff wise its insane cost is a bit much for so little but I don't hate WAR just there isn't really a good reason to kill yourself if you only are tickling your enemies

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Originally Posted by ThaCa

Isn't the top player in Chaos DC WAR main?

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WAR can still compete. Their LB is an absolute game changer. I just personally hate the whole design of abilities taking HP away, especially since all they have is bloodwhetting defensively and orogeny/onslaught not returning HP when bloodwhetting is up is just a miserable experience. Like I get it, the debuffs they apply can be pretty strong, but the amount of HP they take is nuts and you can't nullify it with bloodwhetting making those two skills only really worth using during the LB with the increased potency or when there's only like 1 or 2 enemies alive still and you wont get blown up for hurting yourself.

I just dislike the concept of those two skills and the whole "role agnostic" concept doesn't really work when you still technically want tanks to act like tanks while having a tank not be very tanky and does meh damage when not in their LB.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

WAR can still compete. Their LB is an absolute game changer. I just personally hate the whole design of abilities taking HP away, especially since all they have is bloodwhetting defensively and orogeny/onslaught not returning HP when bloodwhetting is up is just a miserable experience. Like I get it, the debuffs they apply can be pretty strong, but the amount of HP they take is nuts and you can't nullify it with bloodwhetting making those two skills only really worth using during the LB with the increased potency or when there's only like 1 or 2 enemies alive still and you wont get blown up for hurting yourself.

I just dislike the concept of those two skills and the whole "role agnostic" concept doesn't really work when you still technically want tanks to act like tanks while having a tank not be very tanky and does meh damage when not in their LB.

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I dunno, i think people are going to take meta over a barely 'viable' class.

Having a really good LB doesnt make up for the fact that the remainder of the class is a hallowed out shell of a CC bot.

You can do both things on the other tanks with considerably higher kill pressure and survivability.



(So far on warrior, I've got from level 30 to 38 locked at silver 3. I'll win one, then lose the next 7. Unless you're playing something with a lot of kill pressure in low elo, good luck climbing out.)

There is always monk.

WAR has a ton of kill pressure...it's just only during their LB lol. Their LB builds really fast so what you should be doing is stunning the group as often as possible while rotating keeping yourself alive with bloodwhetting and guard until you get your LB.

war is a decent job to tank with calling it names does not help.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

WAR has a ton of kill pressure...it's just only during their LB lol. Their LB builds really fast so what you should be doing is stunning the group as often as possible while rotating keeping yourself alive with bloodwhetting and guard until you get your LB.

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Man if you think War LB builds fast, play a Blackmage.

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Originally Posted by yaba_gabagool

Man if you think War LB builds fast, play a Blackmage.

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I do and yes BLM builds significantly faster. BLM however does not completely remove the ability to use guard and isn't really bursty during their LB. WAR during LB can burst you down really fast if you do it right.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

I do and yes BLM builds significantly faster. BLM however does not completely remove the ability to use guard and isn't really bursty during their LB. WAR during LB can burst you down really fast if you do it right.

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They can do one target at time. The power of BLM LB is that your aoe pressure on points goes up significantly especially with burn. That kind of pressure from war only comes from your team mates.

Unfortunately, war is just in a kind of bad place. I'd say white mage is a lot more threatening, survivable, and has just as much CC as war does at crucial junctures.

same old angry drama queens trying to attenion by calling people names sure fire way not to get attenion from programmers their just turn a blind eye to you.so good luck with that.

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Originally Posted by george357

same old angry drama queens trying to attenion by calling people names sure fire way not to get attenion from programmers their just turn a blind eye to you.so good luck with that.

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That's not how that works...

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Originally Posted by yaba_gabagool

They can do one target at time. The power of BLM LB is that your aoe pressure on points goes up significantly especially with burn. That kind of pressure from war only comes from your team mates.

Unfortunately, war is just in a kind of bad place. I'd say white mage is a lot more threatening, survivable, and has just as much CC as war does at crucial junctures.

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Orogeny and primal rend hit pretty hard during LB which is how you basically burst during LB. I'll get 2 or 3 kills out of comboing primal rend into orogeny if people are stacked, especially if people are low on HP. Fell cleave is just finishing off single targets with the onslaught debuff.

WAR LB and BLM LB are two different types of pressure. It all comes down to how you utilize them. My main issue with WAR is the the fact that skills hurt you and you only have 1 defensive skill to really negate that barrier wise. If the HP loss wasn't applied or was reduced while bloodwhetting was up the job would be much much better.

I don't play WAR, don't even have it unlocked, but is the health drain on it's abilities that much of a nuisance? I don't get keep up with any tier lists, but I'd assume that WAR is still one of the best and most popular jobs in PvP. I mean DRK is a non-entity in a fight unless they're killing themselves, so I can't imagine WAR being worse than them.

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Originally Posted by Dreadz

I don't play WAR, don't even have it unlocked, but is the health drain on it's abilities that much of a nuisance? I don't get keep up with any tier lists, but I'd assume that WAR is still one of the best and most popular jobs in PvP. I mean DRK is a non-entity in a fight unless they're killing themselves, so I can't imagine WAR being worse than them.

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Dark is kinda boss in crystalline.


The HP drain is a big consideration. Your standard initiating and combo doing 30% of your total health just to use - - it's rough.

Not only that, the damage on war is low compared to GNB or Dark.

The only time I score kills is when I'm using full combo into a target with 40% or less health, and even then it's a coin flip.

I'd gladly trade away my moderately charging ult (you know, the one that you can't be CC'd in, yet you'll still get imp'd, dance ult'd, repear feared, or counter snipe ulted by the 1 of 4 classes with near instant kill LBs - mch, ninja, goon, maybe monk if the planets align) for a more consistent damage output that's higher than what it is now without having to kill myself to function.

Or you could just make our ult charge as fast as black mage, whatever, at this point (that would be broken). Well.. maybe not if you removed the shield removal ability (there are way too many right now) and just let war actually deal the most damage out of the tanks, or at least close to gunbreaker. That might be fun.

I think if WAR's guard break didn't last 15 fucking seconds it wouldn't be nearly as bad. Knock it down to like 5 maybe, just enough to coordinate some burst with the team in return for lowering charge rate or something.

@Dreadz, yes it's pretty bad. It's like 30% of your health if you use both orogeny and onslaught.

@Karasio, absolutely not. Their entire niche is their LB. Making it 5 seconds would be completely worthless.

The issue with the tank jobs is pretty universal in conflict. The skill ceiling is too high compared to the floor. A good warrior is like having another dps on your team that just CCs people a ton. a bad warrior is like playing a 4v5. Some of the other tanks are even worse.