A word on content in 2.0.

Honestly, I'm not expecting too much as far as new content, and I'm really afraid a lot of people are getting too excited for it.

We're getting massive overhauls, changes and additions, for sure. I'm optimistic about all of it and I'm looking forward to when it becomes available.

But on that note, people seem to think every content addition is going to happen RIGHT at 2.0's release, which I don't think will be the case at all.

I expect some new storyline perhaps. Maybe some new quests and a bit about Dalamud's aftermath, but not much beyond that.

I just don't want people to rage over not getting enough new content on the day 2.0 goes live and that they somehow feel "betrayed" when much of it is to be released later.

Or you could stop trying to apologize for a corporation you're giving money to monthly

The only thing I think they NEED to have at the start of 2.0 is more early-level content. There will be an influx of new players, and currently the game is a bit of a "grind to level 20-ish" and then start doing other stuff. There needs to be maybe some actual interesting quests that produce enough experience to progress your levels, rather than grinding the early parts of the game, as this will no doubt bore new players, they will just think "there's nothing to do". And no, I don't count levequests as part of these, because they are super boring lol and get old fast.

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Originally Posted by Jocko

Or you could stop trying to apologize for a corporation you're giving money to monthly

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White Knighting and Trolling aside, there is a point in which a player's expectations exceed a reasonable level, and expecting all content to be released at once is unreasonable.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

White Knighting and Trolling aside, there is a point in which a player's expectations exceed a reasonable level, and expecting all content to be released at once is unreasonable.

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Players (Or, more accurately customers) need to maintain a high amount of expectations for the companies that serve them. It promotes healthy competition and a model that works for consumers, not corporations. There's nothing wrong with being 'entitled' when we pay their salary

If I'm not mistaken, there is a lot of content to do right now.

Define "content."

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

If I'm not mistaken, there is a lot of content to do right now.

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Totorak. Leves. Easy Ifrit. Leves. Darkhold. Leves. Easy Garuda. Leves. Aurum Vale. Leves. Cutter's Cry. Leves. Hard Mode Ifrit. Moogle. Hard Mode Garuda. Leves. And in case I forgot, Leves.

What's sustaining the game content-wise is really the fact that drop rates are terrible and the loot system is terrible, not really because of the quantity of the content. 4 dungeons, 2 easy mode bosses, 3 hard mode fights and leves don't really sustain a lv1-50 climb, IMO.

If "content" mean what you can playing with in-game, according to the dev roadmap, they will begin to "port" current 1.xx contents to 2.0, after v1.23 released.

So I expect the version 2.00 will have a new main story but others remain mostly the same with 1.23.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Totorak. Leves. Easy Ifrit. Leves. Darkhold. Leves. Easy Garuda. Leves. Aurum Vale. Leves. Cutter's Cry. Leves. Hard Mode Ifrit. Moogle. Hard Mode Garuda. Leves. And in case I forgot, Leves.

What's sustaining the game content-wise is really the fact that drop rates are terrible and the loot system is terrible, not really because of the quantity of the content. 4 dungeons, 2 easy mode bosses, 3 hard mode fights and leves don't really sustain a lv1-50 climb, IMO.

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You mean 7 lv1-50 climbs

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Totorak. Leves. Easy Ifrit. Leves. Darkhold. Leves. Easy Garuda. Leves. Aurum Vale. Leves. Cutter's Cry. Leves. Hard Mode Ifrit. Moogle. Hard Mode Garuda. Leves. And in case I forgot, Leves.

What's sustaining the game content-wise is really the fact that drop rates are terrible and the loot system is terrible, not really because of the quantity of the content. 4 dungeons, 2 easy mode bosses, 3 hard mode fights and leves don't really sustain a lv1-50 climb, IMO.

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I'm sorry what.. your quoting like half of the dead content in this game and you didn't even mention Hamlet which has some of the best items and odds are even weapons that beat out the primal weps? :P

Hamlet is not really part of the level climb. Unless anyone can PUG the hamlet defense fights. Even then, we go back to the "terrible drop rates and loot system" bit.

The OP does have a point and no need to break him down for it. He clearly still enjoyed all the new screenshots but screenshots and beautiful graphics are not the only things that make a game. It's not like we need more content because we actually do have a lot of content like Deadriser said and actually pointed out by Duelle (indirectly). However all the content is just the same old thing.

What we need is different content that doesn't involve the same monster slaying, dungeon crawling stuff (at least not the generic kind). It's actually my biggest issue with most if not all MMORPG's and the reason why I liked ffxi. Things like chocobo raising/racing/breeding or personal housing that you work on making larger/nicer/to your own taste, helps people give something else to do from the daily tedious killing and grinding. And perhaps even a way to promote crafting.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Totorak. Leves. Easy Ifrit. Leves. Darkhold. Leves. Easy Garuda. Leves. Aurum Vale. Leves. Cutter's Cry. Leves. Hard Mode Ifrit. Moogle. Hard Mode Garuda. Leves. And in case I forgot, Leves.

What's sustaining the game content-wise is really the fact that drop rates are terrible and the loot system is terrible, not really because of the quantity of the content. 4 dungeons, 2 easy mode bosses, 3 hard mode fights and leves don't really sustain a lv1-50 climb, IMO.

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Hamlet, Chocobo Escort, Gathering or Crafting don't count as content? Neat.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Totorak. Leves. Easy Ifrit. Leves. Darkhold. Leves. Easy Garuda. Leves. Aurum Vale. Leves. Cutter's Cry. Leves. Hard Mode Ifrit. Moogle. Hard Mode Garuda. Leves. And in case I forgot, Leves.

What's sustaining the game content-wise is really the fact that drop rates are terrible and the loot system is terrible, not really because of the quantity of the content. 4 dungeons, 2 easy mode bosses, 3 hard mode fights and leves don't really sustain a lv1-50 climb, IMO.

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I like to fish a lot. Behests are fun for meeting random people. People are always crafting (some like it some dont). Achievements are a nice goal to work towards. Hamlet Defense is not only a fun battle, but also a competitive feature for DoL and DoH. Caravan Escorts are done for Seal collecting. Imperial Invasions can get pretty heated. Plus the 7th Umbral Era Event is a good touch for those interested in story (I've only found Urianger once but it was a cool little find). Plus a set of quests for every job and class on top of side quests and main quests.

Looks like a lot of content to me.

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Originally Posted by MrKupo

I like to fish a lot. Behests are fun for meeting random people. People are always crafting (some like it some dont). Achievements are a nice goal to work towards. Hamlet Defense is not only a fun battle, but also a competitive feature for DoL and DoH. Caravan Escorts are done for Seal collecting. Imperial Invasions can get pretty heated. Plus the 7th Umbral Era Event is a good touch for those interested in story (I've only found Urianger once but it was a cool little find). Plus a set of quests for every job and class on top of side quests and main quests.

Looks like a lot of content to me.

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I will concede to this. I'm generally at odds with anything not related to battle content because...well, I'm not fond of crafting and gathering is not that interesting to me. Repeatable events (leves, behest, hamlet, escorts) can only take the game so far, though. I'm admitedly more fond of zone storylines and dungeons. =/

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Originally Posted by Duelle

I will concede to this. I'm generally at odds with anything not related to battle content because...well, I'm not fond of crafting and gathering is not that interesting to me. Repeatable events (leves, behest, hamlet, escorts) can only take the game so far, though. I'm admitedly more fond of zone storylines and dungeons. =/

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You are playing an MMO, everything is repeated either through bad drop rate or tokenized systems.

I'm sorry, I think people are misinterpreting the topic, and I apologize if I wasn't clear. I'm not complaining about a lack of content at all. I'm fairly happy with what we have now.

What I'm concerned about is the people who are expecting so much more to come out at the time of 2.0 going live. According to the roadmap, quite a bit is slated to be added after the implementation of 2.0.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

You are playing an MMO, everything is repeated either through bad drop rate or tokenized systems.

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You say this as if I've never played an MMO before. Considering the only thing that is tokenized is primal weapons, I wouldn't go as far as say that it is a part of progression in this game. There'd be no excuse for bad drop rates if a) we had more dungeons and b) pacing for progression was better-set.

Take Garuda, for example. She could easily be put on a 7-day lockout after kill, with a 100% chance of dropping one of four different pieces of gear and a 35% chance of dropping one of the seven weapons, with perhaps changing that token she drops to a trophy with a 5% drop rate that can be traded for any one of the weapons. That's better paced than having to spam an event, getting nothing but dark matter and so on. Of course, the game would need a lot more battle content to support that.

Going back to something I asked earlier, are the hamlet defense fights puggable? I haven't touched the even because I was under the impression they weren't.

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Originally Posted by Kristina_Farron

If "content" mean what you can playing with in-game, according to the dev roadmap, they will begin to "port" current 1.xx contents to 2.0, after v1.23 released.

So I expect the version 2.00 will have a new main story but others remain mostly the same with 1.23.

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New content is coming, but not all new content

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Porting of Existing Content
Implementation & Debugging of New Content

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http://gdl.square-enix.com/ffxiv/dow...Roadmap_EN.pdf

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Honestly, I'm not expecting too much as far as new content, and I'm really afraid a lot of people are getting too excited for it.

We're getting massive overhauls, changes and additions, for sure. I'm optimistic about all of it and I'm looking forward to when it becomes available.

But on that note, people seem to think every content addition is going to happen RIGHT at 2.0's release, which I don't think will be the case at all.

I expect some new storyline perhaps. Maybe some new quests and a bit about Dalamud's aftermath, but not much beyond that.

I just don't want people to rage over not getting enough new content on the day 2.0 goes live and that they somehow feel "betrayed" when much of it is to be released later.

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So, because your expectations are low, ours have to be too?

I think most of us are smart enough to realize that not every known bit of content is going to happen immediately at 2.0's launch. SE would even be stupid to do that.

I agree the content is not currently comparable to FFVII or FFXIII. What we have right now is a leveling system for multiple classes. That is not story content. The only story we have so far is the introduction you get starting at the three cities. That isn't much of a story. We have seasonal events to perk up the content but there is a paucity of special event story lines and they do not tie together. The Garlean Invasion with all the associated chores (defense, caravan, crafting) is hardly much of a story. SE normally is very good at FF stories that suck you into the plot. I have tried to read between the lines and see the hints of a real plot but so far it has not materialized. I am still waiting.