Crystalline Conflict is the least fun I've had playing this game.

And by least, I mean that it isn't fun at all! :mad:

I really expect better of you guys and I'm so disappointed. It feels like you threw this mode together without even considering the issues that would crop up. You touted this as a new fun PvP that would fix all the problems of Feast, but in the end you didn't fix any of them.

Finally got my Raigo pony and the Archdemon coffer so I never have to touch this god awful mode again. Thank god for that...

+1 I was excited for this, but I ended up disappointed too. I detest the new pvp kits, but I thought hey at least the new mode could be cool.... ha. Problems are too numerous to mention. I dont know anyone in game who still does it after they got their FOMO rewards from it. I'd expect the same for the next series pass

Oh look, another angry echo chamber thread!

Believe it or not, but not everyone dislikes the gamemode and just like with every other piece of content in the game you are not required to like it or even play it.

6.1 PvP certainly has some coarse surfaces that need polishing, but this does not stop casual pvpers to queue whenever.

I certainly as someone who has been PvPing during times when Id wait up to three hours for a match see Crystalline Conflict as a massive success in accessibility alone. To me the new age of PvP is fast and active combat and I love almost everything of it, just some tuning here and there and its pretty much golden.

And yes I feel you regarding netcode and other things, but you can just learn to play around it.

But to answer something: Yes 6.1 did fix Feast-based problems, not generic PvP problems.

I know plenty of people who still play it but I can maybe count on one hand the number of people who actually enjoy it.

I enjoy CC so much more then Feast.
It was a great upgrade for PvP.

It won't be my most played content but it became content I like to play.

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Originally Posted by Lustre

I detest the new pvp kits

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I honestly don't understand how people can say that when PvE is the must boring stuff. Personally, I find the PvP stuff amazing. I hope we see more of that come over to PvE.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

I honestly don't understand how people can say that when PvE is the must boring stuff. Personally, I find the PvP stuff amazing. I hope we see more of that come over to PvE.

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Cause we compare them to the old pvp kits. And personally, I also hate the new ones compared to the old ones.
Also, pople are allowed to have opinions.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

Cause we compare them to the old pvp kits. And personally, I also hate the new ones compared to the old ones.
Also, pople are allowed to have opinions.

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To be fair, it would be interesting to understand why you do, because everyone.has their own take on what is bad or good. What is it for you?

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

To be fair, it would be interesting to understand why you do, because everyone.has their own take on what is bad or good. What is it for you?

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Well for example, as a healer I liked feeling like an actual healer, now healers are more green dps with some heals/shields. And pvp was the only place where you actually felt like a healer, since in pve you're always more of a green dps, considering the lack of healing needed. Now the whole thing relies more on everybody drinking their spammable "potion" and healers helping a bit. Rescue was always great, and way more useful in pvp than pve.

You're also generally more reliant on LB than you were before. And everything is way more cc-centric (and I mean crowd-control, not cristalline conflict).

In general my thought is that what we had before worked well and there wasn't a reason to overhaul it completely.
Not many people did pvp, but it's not any better now. A load of people flocked towards it as it was changed and were very excited, but it seems the enthusiasm died out already long ago, so it was more of a "try the shiny new thing" than actual interest in the mode. And the battle pass thingy+garo of course also contributed hugely to the numbers, which would happened regardless of skill changes or not.

Anyway, I don't have much of an opinion on Feast vs CC, but I'm scared about RW changes.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

Well for example, as a healer I liked feeling like an actual healer, now healers are more green dps with some heals/shields. And pvp was the only place where you actually felt like a healer, since in pve you're always more of a green dps, considering the lack of healing needed. Now the whole thing relies more on everybody drinking their spammable "potion" and healers helping a bit. Rescue was always great, and way more useful in pvp than pve.

You're also generally more reliant on LB than you were before. And everything is way more cc-centric (and I mean crowd-control, not cristalline conflict).

In general my thought is that what we had before worked well and there wasn't a reason to overhaul it completely.
Not many people did pvp, but it's not any better now. A load of people flocked towards it as it was changed and were very excited, but it seems the enthusiasm died out already long ago, so it was more of a "try the shiny new thing" than actual interest in the mode. And the battle pass thingy+garo of course also contributed hugely to the numbers, which would happened regardless of skill changes or not.

Anyway, I don't have much of an opinion on Feast vs CC, but I'm scared about RW changes.

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On the healing topic, I can definitely see where you are coming from and I wont deny that healer players would definitely raise an eyebrow over how they heal / support in PvP - on the other hand the impact healers had in the outcome of a match was obnoxiously high, if not straight up fundamental. It was sadly a necessary change for a roleless queue to get around the issue of the matchmaker providing no healer vs healer matches.

This was sadly a point where you couldn't have everyone winning.

Regarding LB reliance, this is job dependent but definitely true. Certain jobs like Warrior or White Mage have too much of their power budget in the Limit Break whereas jobs like Monk and Ninja have some ridiculous swinging potential in their LB. All of this is ofc made worse from LB charging 95% based on time passed rather than performance based LB building like in other games (Overwatch for example). This creates the footsie battle at the start of the round where people just bide time for LBs to come up for the initial fight.

On the matter of players coming in - this is essentially knowledge coming from game development: A game can be as good as it wants, but if people aren't willingly joining to try it out, then you need to change the formula and incentivise with freshness.

This sounds shortsighted at first, but in order to improve upon a concept, you need data. By gaining a herde of players flocking to your product you can obtain a ton of data, of which written feedback is only a fraction of like 25-35% on average (estimation).

I liked Feast a lot, but we must not kid ourselves - compared to now, we were literally on life support through our own community. The fresh blood was needed.

I think I'd enjoy it, except for the other players with the cheating mods.

6.0 endwalker pvp maybe is not you cup of tea. However is good to see dev team did some change.
To me mostly problem with pvp is server latency and netcode and purify/guard delay. Job balance has issue however compare to 2.0 to 4.0 is far better than PVE button in PVP. Since there is no restriction with job role now queue time also a lot better compare to before with job role. Crowned control is bit overdone but is during purify frame delay and netcode.

Only 2 problems I have in rank is no demoting and matchmaking. I don't like the idea of just pushing everyone up, because I'm worried that lower rank queues may suffer during the 2nd half of the season. I may be overreacting, but we'll see. As for matchmaking I have to question it. Like, why am I doing promos in a diamond room while I'm gold? What did I do wrong to receive the punishment from the gods?

Other than that I will happily grind CC all day despite the mode itself having it's own problems. I just wish that feast wasn't deleted.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

And by least, I mean that it isn't fun at all! :mad:

I really expect better of you guys and I'm so disappointed. It feels like you threw this mode together without even considering the issues that would crop up. You touted this as a new fun PvP that would fix all the problems of Feast, but in the end you didn't fix any of them.

Finally got my Raigo pony and the Archdemon coffer so I never have to touch this god awful mode again. Thank god for that...

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Your problem is you were only doing it for the rewards. If you don't like pvp you're not going to like anything the dev team does.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

I honestly don't understand how people can say that when PvE is the must boring stuff. Personally, I find the PvP stuff amazing. I hope we see more of that come over to PvE.

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Ugh no. The pvp kit works fine for pvp because its fast paced. It would never work in pve. The last thing I'd want is such a limited amount of abilities with no rotation to speak of being used while trying to dps check a 8 minute fight. I'd literally quit the game if the pvp kits ever transitioned over to pve.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Ugh no. The pvp kit works fine for pvp because its fast paced. It would never work in pve. The last thing I'd want is such a limited amount of abilities with no rotation to speak of being used while trying to dps check a 8 minute fight. I'd literally quit the game if the pvp kits ever transitioned over to pve.

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I dont know dude, while the kits are very simplified, they do bring a lot of creative elements such as the SCH spread ability used on Biolysis, the HP spending on DRK (would work if the HP spenders had some cooldown like 15s and paired with stronger lifesteal in the kit) or the ranged DPS having moves that would make them slowwalk during casts but make them hit harder based on factors.

There is plenty you could take notes from regarding PvP abilities that would give some spice to PvE jobs.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

I honestly don't understand how people can say that when PvE is the must boring stuff. Personally, I find the PvP stuff amazing. I hope we see more of that come over to PvE.

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5 buttons go brrrr
Brain disengaged
Good game

Even with its issues it's still one of the better parts of the game. The matches in top 100 are actually fun when the elo terrorists are away.

Hopefully they can further refine it by next expansion, I wouldn't mind having ability or two added to most Jobs.

Same, Without demote half of the players get pushed up and the available skill in the tiers gets watered down. With that it can be a matter of luck or matchmaking logic to get either balanced games or 30 sec steamrolls.

Another thing is that it's too easy for a group of people to all end up in the same matches. I definitely had sessions with people from the same pvp team over and over again which gives them a lot potential to control the outcome.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

I dont know dude, while the kits are very simplified, they do bring a lot of creative elements such as the SCH spread ability used on Biolysis, the HP spending on DRK (would work if the HP spenders had some cooldown like 15s and paired with stronger lifesteal in the kit) or the ranged DPS having moves that would make them slowwalk during casts but make them hit harder based on factors.

There is plenty you could take notes from regarding PvP abilities that would give some spice to PvE jobs.

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No thanks. And abilities that burn HP is one of the worst design ideas ever.

Put my coin in the pile of people who enjoy it, though acknowledge the room for improvement.

Love the fast pace, simple objective, the new job kits. Dislike the amount of burst damage there is sometimes, which is more a job design problem. Also think all job effects should be more clear and team-coloured when possible, and the UI could be more readable. Considering none of my complaints are around the core idea, I think we are off to a good start!

If you hate it so much, just leave. After you finish your Garo, you can get series progress on all other forms of PvP, with RW on the way soon!

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Originally Posted by Ransu

No thanks. And abilities that burn HP is one of the worst design ideas ever.

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To each their own, I've played games with functions like these before and it worked fine. Even within FFXIV we have playstyles like Double Edge L Warrior in Eureka or Irregular Essence with Aethershield, Font of Power and some Auto Potion in Bozja to circumvent the extreme damage intake. Those are similar to HP spending since you lower your effective HP for either of these.

HP spending just tacked on would be awful, but designing the kit around it does work even in PVE.

Alas can't expect the community to be willing to accept obscurity. I suppose we need to dumb down kits further.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

And by least, I mean that it isn't fun at all! :mad:

I really expect better of you guys and I'm so disappointed. It feels like you threw this mode together without even considering the issues that would crop up. You touted this as a new fun PvP that would fix all the problems of Feast, but in the end you didn't fix any of them.

Finally got my Raigo pony and the Archdemon coffer so I never have to touch this god awful mode again. Thank god for that...

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……….it’s one of those things…….you CANNOT please everyone.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

To each their own, I've played games with functions like these before and it worked fine. Even within FFXIV we have playstyles like Double Edge L Warrior in Eureka or Irregular Essence with Aethershield, Font of Power and some Auto Potion in Bozja to circumvent the extreme damage intake. Those are similar to HP spending since you lower your effective HP for either of these.

HP spending just tacked on would be awful, but designing the kit around it does work even in PVE.

Alas can't expect the community to be willing to accept obscurity. I suppose we need to dumb down kits further.

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It wouldn't matter in pve because healers will just heal you instantly making it a pointless concept, but in pvp is an idiotic concept. You shouldn't lose HP for using an ability, especially in a game mode where the TTK is already low. Warriors literally can't use oregany outside of LB because its just killing you faster, especially after the bloodwhetting nerf.

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Originally Posted by Sawamura

6.0 endwalker pvp maybe is not you cup of tea. However is good to see dev team did some change.
To me mostly problem with pvp is server latency and netcode and purify/guard delay. Job balance has issue however compare to 2.0 to 4.0 is far better than PVE button in PVP. Since there is no restriction with job role now queue time also a lot better compare to before with job role. Crowned control is bit overdone but is during purify frame delay and netcode.

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Fair enough. I would have dropped out of CC a lot sooner and saved myself the stress, but I had GARO ponies to grind out.

God I hate FOMO...

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

Fair enough. I would have dropped out of CC a lot sooner and saved myself the stress, but I had GARO ponies to grind out.

God I hate FOMO...

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FOMO isn't real.

It's very definitely real. Claiming it's not is pushing the boundaries of absurd claims around here, which is impressive given the absurdity this forum gets up to on the regular.

That said, stressing yourself out to grind something that was last around for two and a half years and had its end announced something like six months in advance is.. questionable..

This thread alone is proof enough to me that even content like CC is subjective, because me and my friends have had some of the most fun we've had in years with Crystalline conflict- and we lose alot- but the key to our enjoyment is having learned how to get into the same instance with one another so we get to kill each other for giggles.

I guess the point I'm making is, maybe Crystalline conflict isn't for you, and you should find the content that actually makes you happy; instead of trying to force something onto yourself simply for the sake of it.

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Originally Posted by Neoyoshi

This thread alone is proof enough to me that even content like CC is subjective, because me and my friends have had some of the most fun we've had in years with Crystalline conflict- and we lose alot- but the key to our enjoyment is having learned how to get into the same instance with one another so we get to kill each other for giggles.

I guess the point I'm making is, maybe Crystalline conflict isn't for you, and you should find the content that actually makes you happy; instead of trying to force something onto yourself simply for the sake of it.

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So what you're saying is that people should eat whatever bile SE drops onto their plates? Gonna have to disagree with you there buddy.

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Originally Posted by Sindele

It's very definitely real. Claiming it's not is pushing the boundaries of absurd claims around here, which is impressive given the absurdity this forum gets up to on the regular.

That said, stressing yourself out to grind something that was last around for two and a half years and had its end announced something like six months in advance is.. questionable..

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FOMO has not been recognized in any official capacity in the medical world. It's not real. People who claim to deal with FOMO in reality just have anxiety issues.

I.. don't think anyone implied it was a standalone condition? It's just an increasingly common phenomenon.

That said, there are also quite literally dozens of papers discussing it and its implications for mental health treatment.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

And by least, I mean that it isn't fun at all! :mad:

I really expect better of you guys and I'm so disappointed. It feels like you threw this mode together without even considering the issues that would crop up. You touted this as a new fun PvP that would fix all the problems of Feast, but in the end you didn't fix any of them.

Finally got my Raigo pony and the Archdemon coffer so I never have to touch this god awful mode again. Thank god for that...

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I mean every iteration of PvP will have issues and people who don't like it, but I have to say that this is by far my favorite version of feast ever. It's not perfect but it honestly is better than what it used to be.

I like it doesn't mean I dont get frustrated or dislike how some jobs work
but not only is it the most fun Ive had the expansion, its the only content I cared about this patch.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

FOMO isn't real.

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Time limited event mounts, time limited achievements, exclusive achievements only earned once per season, exclusive time limited titles and gear sets, series pass only lasting 2 patches.

If fomo isnt real then I guess the phone I'm typing this message on isnt real either

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Originally Posted by Neoyoshi

This thread alone is proof enough to me that even content like CC is subjective, because me and my friends have had some of the most fun we've had in years with Crystalline conflict- and we lose alot- but the key to our enjoyment is having learned how to get into the same instance with one another so we get to kill each other for giggles.

I guess the point I'm making is, maybe Crystalline conflict isn't for you, and you should find the content that actually makes you happy; instead of trying to force something onto yourself simply for the sake of it.

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Eating bugs is also not for me, but I don't pay $15/mo for that to be dumped on my plate.

My only issue with CC is that I can't queue with friends. It's an MMO? Stop catering to the solo player.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

Cause we compare them to the old pvp kits. And personally, I also hate the new ones compared to the old ones.
Also, pople are allowed to have opinions.

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The old ones were over balanced and boring. Also, we're both allowed to our opinions. I said I don't understand the sentiment. Gotta love when you have to put a disclaimer under every sentence because it's the internet.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

FOMO isn't real.

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It took me like 10 seconds on Google to find studies about it.

so your doing this because the other topic on top says its so much fun to play and your just mad about it.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

Gotta love when you have to put a disclaimer under every sentence because it's the internet.

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More often than not people just at your throat for daring not liking what the majority likes or liking waht the majority dislikes, so you never know.

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Originally Posted by Nikoto

My only issue with CC is that I can't queue with friends. It's an MMO? Stop catering to the solo player.

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LOL! You think this game caters to solo players.