Why is there no option to blacklist players from estates?

A recent issue I've had has more or less caused an issue to become more apparent to me; why is it that there's no way to keep a specific player from entering your FC estate? I believe someone you've blacklisted can still access your personal home as well, if it is open, but this seems like a strange oversight.

I get that you can lock/unlock your estate so that only FC members or tenants can enter, and if you've blocked someone they can't directly TP to your estate (though they can find it and walk). But this feels like too broad a thing- if I only want to keep a particular person (or handful of people, maybe) out of my house, why is it not possible to prevent entry to them without straight up locking my house? I want to still be able to allow my friends to enter.

This is more or less just a curiosity thing- I'm not expecting a sudden change, though it would be nice to have this added. I'm not sure if it's been addressed before and I just missed it somewhere.

Blacklists are lacking so much. They SHOULD: Prevent people from or remove you from their friendlist, prevent matchups, prevent trades, restrict access to houses or other small instances you're in.


Right now all they do is make it so they can't PM you and you can't see what they say.

it is so absurdly difficult to blacklist people in general.

there are people on primal that will just repeatedly tp across the various cities and use /sea to get a list of all the people in the area, /tell them and then warp to the next city and repeat and if you don't instantly catch them and blacklist them they'll have teleported away and it won't work.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Blacklists are lacking so much. They SHOULD: Prevent people from or remove you from their friendlist, prevent matchups, prevent trades, restrict access to houses or other small instances you're in.


Right now all they do is make it so they can't PM you and you can't see what they say.

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Yeah, expansion on the feature is pretty much necessary these days.

Too many stalkers and harassers.

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Originally Posted by Denji

it is so absurdly difficult to blacklist people in general.

there are people on primal that will just repeatedly tp across the various cities and use /sea to get a list of all the people in the area, /tell them and then warp to the next city and repeat and if you don't instantly catch them and blacklist them they'll have teleported away and it won't work.

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Yeah; I've had people I wasn't able to blacklist before send me a message and then log out or otherwise make it difficult to blacklist them- it's really frustrating. What prompted this question is a neighbouring FC keeps coming to our house, spamming our message book (which I now had to remove after 2 reports), and then leaving. They left a taunting message in /say while I was AFK, just making it more frustrating because I was still at work when it happened- come back, person is offline/in duty or otherwise unable to be grabbed and blacklisted. Report function is like "remember to blacklist!" can we... make it easier? and also it doesn't solve the problem? I had to remove a book that had some lovely messages from friends in hopes that it makes the issue stop. Then as a female character there's the blatant inappropriate kinds of harassment and if the person does any of the mentioned things to escape a block, welp...

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Yeah, expansion on the feature is pretty much necessary these days.

Too many stalkers and harassers.

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It really surprises me how insanely hard it is to successfully block someone, especially if it's something you don't catch right away. They constantly tell you in the "report harassment" section to "remember to blacklist" but it's like; sure, I'd love to...? If I could? Can you make it so it works offline/offworld/etc? Can you keep them from entering my estate(s)?

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Blacklists are lacking so much. They SHOULD: Prevent people from or remove you from their friendlist, prevent matchups, prevent trades, restrict access to houses or other small instances you're in.


Right now all they do is make it so they can't PM you and you can't see what they say.

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Really heavily agree. If I don't want to see someone's chat messages, or receive private messages from them, I probably also don't want them in a party with me or in my house. It's INSANELY wild to me that it's so limited. Most games (or chat services in general) let you blacklist no matter what and there's almost no way for them to find/get ahold of you once you've done so. This game still leaves you awkwardly accessible/vulnerable to players you really don't want to be around for one reason or another.

Well the good news is when you blacklist someone they can't join a party you're the leader of, thank god.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

Well the good news is when you blacklist someone they can't join a party you're the leader of, thank god.

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Well at least we have that, LOL

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Right now all they do is make it so they can't PM you and you can't see what they say.

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Wasn't their reason to not make blacklist do more than these is because they want to avoid the "Why do they remove me?"-situation from the blacklisted? Or was this more about friendlist removal? I couldn't quite recall it... but either way, I think it's absurd. We really should have an option to completely remove interaction from certain player if we wish to.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Wasn't their reason to not make blacklist do more than these is because they want to avoid the "Why do they remove me?"-situation from the blacklisted? Or was this more about friendlist removal? I couldn't quite recall it... but either way, I think it's absurd. We really should have an option to completely remove interaction from certain player if we wish to.

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That's referring to friend list removal but similar concept for blacklisting. They basically care about the feelings of the person being blacklisted and expect us to be able to work things out like adults or take it to GMs for harassment.

I will say, as someone who has had a GM get involved in a situation I had with a stalker, they do help. Just not sure how efficient they are in general with getting to all cases in a timely manner.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Wasn't their reason to not make blacklist do more than these is because they want to avoid the "Why do they remove me?"-situation from the blacklisted? Or was this more about friendlist removal? I couldn't quite recall it... but either way, I think it's absurd. We really should have an option to completely remove interaction from certain player if we wish to.

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That seems like a really strange reason. I've had people try asking my friends why I removed/blocked them but usually if it was warranted (i.e. certain kinds of harassment, stalking, etc.), my friends follow suit in also blocking or just refuse to respond. I feel like that makes sense for why removing someone from your friendslist doesn't remove you from theirs, but not for blacklisting but god knows. But yeah, I would really love to just have a "I never want to see or hear from or look at this player again" option

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Originally Posted by YuzuyuVolanti

That seems like a really strange reason. I've had people try asking my friends why I removed/blocked them but usually if it was warranted (i.e. certain kinds of harassment, stalking, etc.), my friends follow suit in also blocking or just refuse to respond. I feel like that makes sense for why removing someone from your friendslist doesn't remove you from theirs, but not for blacklisting but god knows. But yeah, I would really love to just have a "I never want to see or hear from or look at this player again" option

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To be fair, even if they did block the ability to teleport to your estate, they could just look on the directory for your address and go anyway and stand outside on your front lawn...speaking from experience. Also, I'm sure it would be a nightmare to implement for FCs if they account for everyone's blacklist. I could understand for private homes but FCs would be messy. You can also just lock the door to your estate as a precaution (I had to do thst with my apartment for a while until my situation was resolved).

Also, situations like what you mentioned (telling multiple people to blacklist and ignore said person) are the reason why they care about the one being blocked.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

That's referring to friend list removal but similar concept for blacklisting. They basically care about the feelings of the person being blacklisted and expect us to be able to work things out like adults or take it to GMs for harassment.

I will say, as someone who has had a GM get involved in a situation I had with a stalker, they do help. Just not sure how efficient they are in general with getting to all cases in a timely manner.

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They were admittedly quicker than I had expected given my particular case (this time) wasn't severe, it was like maybe 24-48h tops before I got a "Hey so we're looking into it" response, and then ~12-16h after that I more or less got confirmation that they did something because the person returned to my estate while I was afk to make it known that they'd done something, LOL

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

To be fair, even if they did block the ability to teleport to your estate, they could just look on the directory for your address and go anyway and stand outside on your front lawn...speaking from experience. Also, I'm sure it would be a nightmare to implement for FCs if they account for everyone's blacklist. I could understand for private homes but FCs would be messy. You can also just lock the door to your estate as a precaution (I had to do thst with my apartment for a while until my situation was resolved).

Also, situations like what you mentioned (telling multiple people to blacklist and ignore said person) are the reason why they care about the one being blocked.

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I don't generally ever tell anyone who to blist or ignore specifically. Usually if it's something severe/worrying I'll give a broad warning as a just in case; like in sexual harassment cases or stalking other female players, etc. and advise people, then tell them that they're free to continue interacting/doing whatever with the person. If I just find someone annoying or it's something that only bothers me, I don't generally bother anyone with it.

I don't mean for it to account for EVERYONE's blacklist though- just having one for the estate in particular or work off the leader's blist or something. I know it doesn't 100% resolve everything, since I've blocked people and had them, somehow, find and stand on me in the middle of the Azim Steppe of all places. I know they can't account for literally every possibility but it just feels so weird that you can block someone and then still have them able to run in to an estate you own and, for example, write in the book. I hate the idea of having to literally just lock our door because we have other friends from other FCs that'll pop by for a quick hello or to hang out- so it feels bad to have to lock/unlock the doors to let them in and out, especially since the visits are random.

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Originally Posted by YuzuyuVolanti

I don't generally ever tell anyone who to blist or ignore specifically. Usually if it's something severe/worrying I'll give a broad warning as a just in case; like in sexual harassment cases or stalking other female players, etc. and advise people, then tell them that they're free to continue interacting/doing whatever with the person. If I just find someone annoying or it's something that only bothers me, I don't generally bother anyone with it.

I don't mean for it to account for EVERYONE's blacklist though- just having one for the estate in particular or work off the leader's blist or something. I know it doesn't 100% resolve everything, since I've blocked people and had them, somehow, find and stand on me in the middle of the Azim Steppe of all places. I know they can't account for literally every possibility but it just feels so weird that you can block someone and then still have them able to run in to an estate you own and, for example, write in the book. I hate the idea of having to literally just lock our door because we have other friends from other FCs that'll pop by for a quick hello or to hang out- so it feels bad to have to lock/unlock the doors to let them in and out, especially since the visits are random.

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Oh hey, you had one of those too then. Mine went so far as to make a doppelganger of my Miqo with my old name and follow me around zones.

I also get the logic regarding FCs but I'd still see people calling it unfair if only leaders were able to blacklist people from finding them via estate, while the members just have to sit and deal. Plus, even if they did implement a thing where blacklisted people cant enter an estate, stalkers can still just sit and chill in the front yard to their hearts content. There's no real solution to it with the way housing is designed with open neighborhoods.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Oh hey, you had one of those too then. Mine went so far as to make a doppelganger of my Miqo with my old name and follow me around zones.

I also get the logic regarding FCs but I'd still see people calling it unfair if only leaders were able to blacklist people from finding them via estate, while the members just have to sit and deal. Plus, even if they did implement a thing where blacklisted people cant enter an estate, stalkers can still just sit and chill in the front yard to their hearts content. There's no real solution to it with the way housing is designed with open neighborhoods.

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Yeah- it's unfortunate, thankfully mine didn't go as far as yours (with me), but, I'm still dealing with the aftermath of 1-2 of his main victims who were displaced because of him.

I think FCs already kind of have a problem with that anyway- at least some large ones. One I used to be a part of had decent responses to stuff like that, but sometimes if it was just considered "drama" or couldn't be proven either way, then the parties would have to just kind of learn to co-exist with eachother in the same space. Usually it culminated in the injured party just leaving because they couldn't deal with the existence of the other person. Maybe it's just my wish for even a grain more protection than we currently have. I hate having to lock friends out to keep creeps away; it makes me sad and makes the issues more isolating for the victims, imo (as I'm sure you know too). Even if it's just personals, or something, your home should be your safe place- you shouldn't have to lock out the people you care about just to keep out another person- which, I know still doesn't address the lawn-camping, but it's at least a step up from "all or nothing", I guess.

A friend of mine is still dealing with the anxiety of having a stalker looming around her server, contacted gms, they wouldn't do anything about it, they had a falling out after getting EB'd in game and it led to really creepy behaviour, and you guessed it, can't restrict or remove their EB tp access either, as long as they don't remarry themselves.

this game NEEDS a better block system, never had stalking issues like this in other mmos affect me or my friend group, but here it's far too easy and the GMs don't do anything about it half of the time.

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Originally Posted by DezereDawn

A friend of mine is still dealing with the anxiety of having a stalker looming around her server, contacted gms, they wouldn't do anything about it, they had a falling out after getting EB'd in game and it led to really creepy behaviour, and you guessed it, can't restrict or remove their EB tp access either, as long as they don't remarry themselves.

this game NEEDS a better block system, never had stalking issues like this in other mmos affect me or my friend group, but here it's far too easy and the GMs don't do anything about it half of the time.

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Well, wouldn't your friend marrying someone else make their stalkers ring ineffective? Could have it be an FC member or another friend that wants the stuff that comes with marriage. I don't have a ton of knowledge on the deep details of how rings work (since all of my EB breakings have been mutual or on the end of my ex spouse) but you'd think if one gets remarried it would make the others ring null and void.

Obviously it shouldn't be the way it is, in terms of how rings work. But trying to think of a quick solution.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Well, wouldn't your friend marrying someone else make their stalkers ring ineffective? Could have it be an FC member or another friend that wants the stuff that comes with marriage. I don't have a ton of knowledge on the deep details of how rings work (since all of my EB breakings have been mutual or on the end of my ex spouse) but you'd think if one gets remarried it would make the others ring null and void.

Obviously it shouldn't be the way it is, in terms of how rings work. But trying to think of a quick solution.

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So; it's a bit weird and, as you said, you'd think it would just... make the ring null. However: No, actually. The divorced partner's ring still works, unless they themselves turn the ring in. A friend of mine has been EB'd several times and my ex husband (irl and in game) still has a functional ring as well, at least last I talked with him. It's incredibly strange. Afaik, it doesn't even tell the other player they've been divorced, much like blocking and blacklisting. This is the kind of stuff that makes me really scratch my head.

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Originally Posted by DezereDawn

A friend of mine is still dealing with the anxiety of having a stalker looming around her server, contacted gms, they wouldn't do anything about it, they had a falling out after getting EB'd in game and it led to really creepy behaviour, and you guessed it, can't restrict or remove their EB tp access either, as long as they don't remarry themselves.

this game NEEDS a better block system, never had stalking issues like this in other mmos affect me or my friend group, but here it's far too easy and the GMs don't do anything about it half of the time.

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Yeah; I've never been one for a lot of MMOs purely because I'm fairly introverted and most just don't stick with me, but, any time I've ever played one it's been as easy as adding them to blacklist and then I basically never hear or see them again. And if I do, and I report it, usually they're gone shortly after. It's so weird to me that they're concerned with potential fringe cases of people using it to be jerks rather than people using it to filter out things they don't want to see/hear or avoid harassment and stalking. It's just kind of wild to me. It's like the court system saying "We can't give you a restraining order because it might hurt their feelings :(".

I agree. Not too long ago this female Au Ra just waltzed into my apartment and wrecked everything and sold my Boko stuffed animal collection and was just laying there naked on my bed and...

wait what were we talking about again?