I just don't see the lore getting better here. They need a Garlean style enclave type quest sequence. :/
I just don't see the lore getting better here. They need a Garlean style enclave type quest sequence. :/
I still cannot believe they did that cringey thing with cid and nero coming to sharlayan to give you a "device from valens which has refined adamantite" and gaius quite literally sitting it out at the most important moment in the history of his nation, which he loved dearly.
From the way how the Garlemald Area is designed, it clearly shows that it wont be impossible to make the rebuilt of it a reality and heres my two cents on the matter:
You see, everytime Squeenix made a restoration Site so far, was by making the whole Site, a new area-instance with either a NPC or a Teleportpoint guiding you inside. Since the actual Palace, as well as parts of the inner City is part of the Background that is connected trough arround 3 Bridges, said Bridges COULD be a possible entry point for a Restoration Site in the future.
I'm remaining hopeful that they're saving Gaius' MSQ involvement for whenever we have to address the lingering issues in Ilsabard.
The future of the Garleans is still very uncertain between them no longer having a place to call home, a lack of true governance, and a substantial part of Garlemald's armies still at large.
When they eventually release the associated crafter/gatherer event, they should get the Loporrits involved. That way, they can call it the Garlemald Hare Restoration project.
The problem with Gaius is that his position in the world changes drastically depending on if you've done the Werlyt story, so writing him into the MSQ would become very difficult.
I think they're planning to do more story around Garlemald going from the all-roles quest, and if they do I can imagine them making an additional part conditional based on Werlyt's completion, like how the Shadowbringers all-roles ended up asking for the Warring Triad.
EDIT: Also, from a more in-story logical perspective, proooooobably a good thing for Gaius to have sat the Garlemald intervention out. Remember that he was framed for Varis' death, so him turning up before we can properly clear his name and blame the genocidal ghost wizards for everything that happened would do more harm than good.
If only Garlemald had a secret stash of gold nearby... wait a minute, wouldn't there be a lot of treasures and paintings and other artifacts they had accumulated? Garlemald was the wealthiest and most advanced nation in the world. They've got to at least have as much stuff to liquidate as Ala Mhigo and Thavnair did. Couldn't they auction that stuff off to pay for reconstruction costs? Hell, they're oil barons aren't they? They could just ceruleum to other countries.
A Firmament or Doman Enclave style reconstruction of Garlemald would have been nice, but I suspect we will be lucky if we even get a tiny beast tribe daily hub camp on the moon for the Garleans with little tents setup, if anything at all.
Well with the last issue in Garlemald dealt with in the last 6.0 Endwalker Job Role Quest (still think they should have put more effort into this due to this resolving the last issues with Garlemald), the only thing left for Garlemald is to rebuild which I think may happen later as some kind of crafting chain storyline either sometime in 6.X or in the future expansions.
Gaius himself says that he doesn't want to complicate things, which makes sense since the last couple of regime changes led to brutal civil wars and he is accused as being a potential usurper. I'm not sure what the twins have to do with anything? Unless you're talking about the two women who ran away from us to their deaths because they're scared of magic and the Alliance and that's some how worse than potential civil war?
On topic, it was a major letdown to keep Garlemald behind the curtain for 10 years, only to reveal it as a smoldering heap. I'm even more surprised that there was basically no new lore revealed at all and still no new character models, with everyone either being Elezen or Hyur with a third eye on their head. Hopefully we get some sort of reconstruction thing off the map but considering the amount of side-quests that use the ruins, the main city we have access to is going to be dead forever.
I also hope that the writers remember the Thavnairan and Garlean embassies in Kugane and that they are finally used for something.
Well the last Job role quest for endwalker did cover this being that currently all surviving Garleans are being moved to Old Sharlayan and if they choose move to the moon. Plans to rebuild Garlemald are on the way but they need time to clear out a good amount of the remaining Blasphemies before they can begin. Search and rescue teams are still being sent out to look for any survivors still hiding in Garlemald. The Tower is now going to remain in Garlemald to act as Eorzea's personal teleporter to the Moon for anyone who wise to visit or live on the Moon which is probably going to be a awkward story to tell future generations in Garlemald about why one of the world's most iconic landmarks look like something from a horror story.
With this lore, it maybe a few expansions or maybe during 7.X that Garlemald can begin reconstruction events due to off-scene events needing to take place while WoL is deal with the Season 2 MSQ events.
I mean we already had like 2 people classified as garlean traitors. That clearly posed little to no problem. I don’t see how much worse Gaius being there could be as i don’t think any of the garleans there even mention his name lmao. Nothing a little talking couldn’t fix though right Alphinaud?
Personally I think Gaius just wanted to stop all this empire-building stuff and retire to spend more time with his daughter.
Man's been through enough, last thing he needs is one half of the country demanding his execution and the other half trying to put a crown on his head.
The sidequests are made to be able to be completed at any time. If they do something like that then you would never be able to do the sidequests if you didn't do them before and SE has never altered a zone to this scale before. Rev Toll and Idyllshire were both social zones with no enemies and no quests that are specific to "the way things were before". The Doman Enclave's floor map never actually changes, things just get refurbished and more areas are accessible over time.
To redo the city that we have access to, they would need to make a whole separate zone that newer players won't have access to unless they finish MSQ and older players won't have access to if they pass a certain point and there's no precedence for that so I doubt it will happen.
If you've sat through MSQ roulette as many times as I have, it would be pounded in your head that at least Cid was considered a legend in Garlemald despite also being a traitor.
Neither Cid nor Nero is accused of killing their country's leader though. They're not in the same category as Gaius.
I feel like the writers are just done with Garlemald. At most, I wonder if gathering or crafting tribe quests will be in Garlemald? I feel like the park could be progressive restored and add things to it. But I don't see them doing something like a Doman or especially Ishgardian restoration type of thing.
No clue, but again it doesnt seem to matter. Them being traitors seems to be nothing but an afterthought. Considering that thats an afterthought, i dont see why him being there couldnt be simply talked through. What are the people going to do? They have more pressing concerns with the final days. It just seems like a bad writing excuse to not have him there lol. Not a surprise seeing how garlemald has gotten nothing but constant bad writing attached to it.
Honestly, I think it was pretty smart of them to set Garlemald aflame before we got there. If it were a straight-up assault on the Imperial capital, it would be... well, basically Stormblood 2 both in terms of structure and likely enemies. I hope you enjoyed inspiring oppressed citizens, and fighting infantry and tanks in city streets and palaces, because that's basically all that it'd be, just in winter this time.
But turning up to Garlemald after it's already been blasted? Story-wise, that expected framework is out the window, allowing them to both play on our expectations ('it turns out they would rather die than accept our help' was one of my favorite parts of Endwalker) and build up something new in its place. In terms of enemies, you've still got the infantry and tanks, but surrounded by a very different vibe and accompanied by a greater diversity thanks to the experiments and results of the Telophoroi. And aesthetically, blowing the place up let them base an entire zone on wartime destruction, particularly borrowing from the Battle of Stalingrad. And even the developers knew that; in the Famitsu interview it was confirmed that even when an all-Garlemald expansion was on the cards, it was still going to end in the Tower of Babil and Anima. We were never going to march on the capital.
...that said, yeah, I do want a quest or two around the Garlean embassy. They're admittedly in a weird spot--if we want to have a political meeting with Garleans we can just go to Garlemald--but I'd still like to check on them, see what's up.
EDIT: Also, for the majority of players who see the WoL as a hero, it's way better to turn up as essentially a liberation mission rather than an invading force. War is ugly, and when you hit 'invading the capital' nobody's coming out clean. The approach they took let them explore the social dynamic of that while still being largely sound to internal morals.
In fact, Lucia's only really known as a traitor to officials thanks to originally being a spy, she kinda doesn't exist outside of those channels. And Maxima isn't even a traitor, he's just a diplomat; sure it's a little weird he turned up with the people he did, but in the eyes of Garlemald he has committed zero actual crimes. Hell, he's the one guy with the Ilsabard Contingent who's actually supposed to be there!
Again, if you had read my post. Them being traitors seemed to affect nothing whatsoever. If thats the case, Gaius being there doesnt seem like it would be as big of a deal as they paint it. What would be the worst thing to happen? Friction between us and the garleans? The twins already helped with that by getting some killed. If anything maybe a familiar face explaining things would have been better.
I'm mostly curious how the provinces are going to respond to the sour predicament Garlemald finds itself in, because decades of animosity aren't just going to be washed away immediately and some may attempt to retaliate.
As far their legions go, their status as far as I can recall is:
1st: Surrendered, but now part of the restoration effort.
IInd: Supposedly wiped out by blasphemies during the Final Days.
IIIrd: Surrendered, but now part of the restoration effort.
IVth: Disbanded after their defeat in Bozja and Gabranth's "death".
Vth: Unknown
VIth: Supposedly returned home after Regula's death, current status unknown.
VIIth: Defeated after the Diamond Weapon laid waste to their headquarters.
VIIIth: Unknown
IXth: Unknown
Xth: Surrendered, presumably intending to help with the restoration effort.
XIth: Mentioned as being responsible for the conquest of Nagxia, otherwise unknown.
XIIth: Defeated by the Eorzean Alliance in Ala Mhigo.
XIIIth: Unknown
XIVth: Defeated in Eorzea over the course of 1.0-2.0.
That leaves the status of nearly half of them still at large, and considering how much trouble a single legion has made for us on multiple occasions, I don't think matters can be considered truly resolved until we're certain none of them stand to threaten anyone.
considering how this type of events in aftermath of a war plays out often, I feel a certain amount of them may become warlords and cause long term trouble. Not to mention we do not know where the Unknown ones are deployed currently. We know Garlemald have set them in locations beyond Eorzea but we don't know where.
I do suspect some of them maybe located in the New World so once we get there we may have to deal with them when we reach the New World in a future expansion either to convince them the war has already ended and that Garlemald needs their help with restoration or stop them from causing trouble due to their new Warlord mentality in the New World.
As for the IVth, I doubt we have seen the last of them due to how the Bozja resistance story ended. I suspect we may get a continuation of their story in 7.X era or later since it does not look like their story will continue in 6.X. My best guess their story may continue in the New World locations which may explain why this story is not being continued in 6.X but late expansion since we don't have access to the location they moved their operations to yet.
It was mentioned that the majority of the remaining legions withdrew to the provinces when the civil war broke out instead of attempting to reclaim the capital, with only the 1st and 3rd contesting the right to the throne.
Considering that Valens was biding his time with the intent of using the new Weapon project to claim the capital, it wouldn't surprise me if others are intending to do the same through their own methods.
While certain Legions in the unknown category may, I suspect not all will go down that path. In a situation like this some of them may just become Mercenary groups as a means to survive using their talents since with no country to return to and no more supplies being sent to them, they will need a new source of support to survive in the region they are located in. It will also be based on the mentality of their leadership with each Legion. Certain ones may have a more open mind to accept adapting to their new home thus becoming more as private military or mercenaries while some may just try to keep up their old ways thus leading them down a path of a warlord controlling their Povinces or try to claim garlemald for themselves using their own plans.
Gaius staying out just makes the narrative less awkward,
he himself said there was no winning as he would be considered a Hero to some and a traiter to others.
Possibly dividing an already destroyed population and just making it harder for WoL and Co to convince the garleans that they are not so bad.
The player character was once falsely accused of murdering a leader and forced to flee into a foreign nation for refuge, so it could have easily have been written in such a way as to have the player character be eager to clear Gaius' name. I'm not sure why some posters are overlooking the fact that our character and many of his allies are well aware that Gaius did not actually murder Varis and that the individual responsible for slaying the Emperor was, in fact, still at large within the region at the time of our character's arrival. Exposing lies to bring the truth to light has long been a clear goal of our character (unless it has anything to do with Hydaelyn's genocide, the treachery at the end of the Autumn War and now Gaius van Baelsar's innocence it seems!)
All that aside, I do hope we see some manner of reconstruction effort established for the people of Garlemald. They've long been the true victims of the setting in my eyes, after all - for they suffered the most as a consequence of the Sundering given their inability to manipulate aether ordinarily, the horrific attempts to inflict genocide upon them during their days as peaceful farmers and then an era of prosperity turning out to merely be a matter of Ascian manipulation.
Leaving them to linger in the frozen ruins of Garlemald or fend for themselves upon the moon does not strike me as the end of their story, especially with Jullus serving as a future plot hook for more of the Garlean story going forward.
Was such a waste to not have Chemist be the new healer job and put the quest line in Garlemald. We could have learned what it's like to not have magic and how to take care of and protect the weak through other means.
While I love the idea, I get the feeling that if Chemist actually did get into Endwalker it would've instead been a Thavnairian job. Remember that regardless of which healer we got, Reaper was still gonna be the DPS job, and was always going to be of Garlean origin and have a story of 'how do Garleans deal with keeping up with others'. Add to that the fact that Thavnair already has us meet a bunch of alchemists that even now still wear healing gear, and that you might not have even had to rewrite much of Sage's story to swap it between being for Sage or Chemist, and it overall leads me to believe that our AU Endwalker Chemist storyline would've been focused a little further south than Garlemald.
Thavnairian lore would have fit it perfectly, although that's not a limitation as Dancer was released before Thavnair. My worry now is that if we do ever see Chemist/Salve-Maker, it's going to end up being brought in as a ranged dps, because they seem averse to non-caster healers for some reason.
I think that we probably will see more of Garlean territory before moving south to Meracydia. It just wouldn't have made sense before Endwalker, as Garlemald itself was just a puppet dictatorship under Emet's thumb, and it wouldn't carry the same impact immediately after Amaurot.
Yeah, we are uniquely UNqualified to convince anyone in Garlemald of anything about Garlemald. In fact, we kinda do absolutely nothing on that front, you can make a serious argument that the WoL caused more problems than they solved in Garlemald until we hit the Tower of Babil.
I feel the story would've been more complete if they did a Garlemald expansion before Endwalker but it would've been a "grounded" expansion like Stormblood and i think that's why they didn't do it because Stormblood is the least rated expansion.
What problems would those be. They were on the verge of freezing to death when we got there. Instead of taking the help that was offered they decied to use their last bit of fuel to launch a futile attack. Self inflicted wounds aren't our problem and Gauis being there would have made it worse.
Expecting a Garlean settlement in Corvus, personally. Their infrastructure in the capitol and the surrounding area is decimated, even with the improvements made to Broken Glass (or w/e that town’s real name was, I forget). Surviving in that area is a losing prospect. So I expect them to either resettle to another area/town in Garlemald(accessible via the gate down the road from Broken Glass, probably) or to give us a storyline where a large faction of survivors, and probably a remaining legion(the Xth?), decides to leave the mountains and resettle in Corvus on “ancestral homeland(and also it’s actually livable here)” grounds. Likely an MSQ topic where, along with the contingent, we’d be part of navigating that “post-colonization by bad guys” craziness for all parties and trying to bring about a peaceful status quo. And we’ll maybe get a Doman enclave style area to build up.
I really hope they're not going to let this whole moral argument of "who deserves to live in Corvos" just blow over with the non-Garlean rebel faction getting to have the run of the place with no objections from anyone.
With it being the initial reason the Garleans even started their campaign of conquest, I don't think the remaining legions would want to allow its reclamation by the "savages" slide.
Ideally, I'm hoping we go over there but with the intent of making an arrangement where Garleans and the other races can dwell there in unity, though likely not without convincing parties on both sides of things to see reason.