Restated stance seems like a distraction?

I'm not normally one for conspiracy theories but dose anyone else feel like SE restating their stance on Mod/Addons seems a little to timed?

Since 6.1 dropped SE has been underfire from different parts of the community, an a lot of those problems have been solved by the mods or the add on community. Like Hrothgar hair thread pointing out that it took the modders less then 6hrs or so to re-add ears to the new hairstyles and that under visual nongameplay effecting mods have multiple hairstyles available.

We have the housing community upset with the failure to test the system before release and the talk about adding Y axis to decorations which the add on group has already done for them as well.

Glamour community talking about outfits not fitting a race or appearance or the Vira/Hrothgar hat problem, all fixed by visual mods.

The combat community asking for PvP style combo fixed by an addon has been a major topic with the new favor found in PVP.

Just about ever problem that has happened with the 6.1 update has been address by outside help, almost as soon as it was made and its made SE look bad. Now world first cleared showing some of these add on and SE is talking about using some to polish up the game and the convo has changed from look at what could be to attacking each other over using them or not?

I'm expecting a big problem or something to be delayed in the 6.18 or possible 6.2.. but hey that's just a theory.. a Game..
Please don't sue me Mattpatt

Modders being better devs than actual game devs has always been a thing. Doing something out of desire to see that thing a reality gets better results than paid employees doing the minimum to not get fired.

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Originally Posted by Necrotica

Modders being better devs than actual game devs has always been a thing. Doing something out of desire to see that thing a reality gets better results than paid employees doing the minimum to not get fired.

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Well it doesn't look too good with the dev team that boasts of wanting to provide "an even better rpg".

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Originally Posted by Minarisweet

Well it doesn't look too good with the dev team that boasts of wanting to provide "an even better rpg".

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I mean, there is also a difference between a paid worker who has a specified block of time to develop feature X, vs Bob in the basement who can plug away 40-60-80 hours on his personal pet project.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

I mean, there is also a difference between a paid worker who has a specified block of time to develop feature X, vs Bob in the basement who can plug away 40-60-80 hours on his personal pet project.

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Also if it breaks X thing, it might be acceptable to the modder and even the user- but not so much for the company as a whole. "Doesn't work on consoles". PC Master Race: ... That's okay with me!! lol

Skyrim modding- increases crashes by 15%.
Modder with 1,000 mods- that's like only 500 crashes in a play session, acceptable! Anything to add physics to the.. fruit!

That said I am happy they said they will be making some changes, there are definitely some mods that couldn't fit without actively damaging a gameplay intent... but otherwise I think the creativity of the community should be a big inspiration and example to the devs on what the community thinks are useful features and how they would like to, optionally, play.

If everyone and their chocobo's mom is using windower... it would be smart to figure out why and see how you're cutting out a fragment of the community because of the scares of third party usage (besides getting banned, could be hacked / malware'd). Not meant as an insult to those devs who don't but I think mark of a good dev is both having your own vision but also seeing your players may have their own as well and not waving a giant finger at them when it diverges from your own lol (doesn't mean abandoning vision, but even say with Elden Ring they added a lot of systems to make the game far more approachable than it was before - usually if you're having trouble with a boss you can just google how to beat them and find out a strategy that turns them from hard to fairly easy).

Nah, this whole thing started when the japanese equivalent of 4chan got mad they lost the world first race for the new ultimate and started mass reporting those in the world first group. Everything has spiraled out of control from that point.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

I mean, there is also a difference between a paid worker who has a specified block of time to develop feature X, vs Bob in the basement who can plug away 40-60-80 hours on his personal pet project.

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Thats why sega hired the ''Bob in the basement'' to make a sucessfull sonic game (and fix the sonic movie)

I also have a sneaking suspicion that on top of the reporting of the DRU cheaters, with subsequent loss of face for SE, someone up against Yoshi'p Sampo in PvP forgot to turnoff their cheating add-on.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Skyrim modding- increases crashes by 15%.
Modder with 1,000 mods- that's like only 500 crashes in a play session, acceptable! Anything to add physics to the.. fruit!

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There was a crash in the main quest of skyrim, when we go find the guy hidden in the thieves guild basement with delphine, that was fixed by a mod, took ages to bethesda patch it(if they did...)

The statement was issued in place of the normal congratulatory message that would accompany World First completions. They watched people cheat at their game on livesteams, which likely made them very upset.

The only good theory to draw from this is DRU is the last ultimate they'll ever make. It's not worth the time if players don't want to play fair and complete it the same way they did in house.

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Originally Posted by Milus

There was a crash in the main quest of skyrim, when we go find the guy hidden in the thieves guild basement with delphine, that was fixed by a mod, took ages to bethesda patch it(if they did...)

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But they did patch a fix to the physics breaking when killed by a giant... then un-fixed it because the community got mad due to liking it lol

The flat is Earth guys

Though I think the recent wave of forum Karening about mods is the frothing screams of people worked up over a combination of self-righteousness and purse-clutching, to be completely fair to Square Enix it's a different beast in Japan. Back in 2019, Japan created a law making modding games and consoles illegal. Not toothless "don't you download that copyrighted song" illegal, but prison time illegal. The gacha game industry has some powerful, connected people over there who don't like it when the peasants mess with their cash cows.

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The flat is Earth guys

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#10chrs just incase

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Originally Posted by Milus

There was a crash in the main quest of skyrim, when we go find the guy hidden in the thieves guild basement with delphine, that was fixed by a mod, took ages to bethesda patch it(if they did...)

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Spirit of the example was that adding something may add a crash, and normally a company would be like uh... no.. :p

My fault for picking a company legendary for not caring to fix bugs since "It Just Works"™, but I felt it was also worth the risk since it's the most ubiquitous to modding and consequences of modding poorly (of course the main game has bugs, that having the USSEP is mandatory to have complete experience, but easy to go from game fixed to game unfunctional real quick with the wrong mod or combination of mods). Skyrim with USSEP is more playable than a skyrim without mods. Better example might easily be picked but then would be far less popular and easy to point out the catastrophic, and easily obtainable, opportunities of modding gone wrong lol.

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

Though I think the recent wave of forum Karening about mods is the frothing screams of people worked up over a combination of self-righteousness and purse-clutching, to be completely fair to Square Enix it's a different beast in Japan. Back in 2019, Japan created a law making modding games and consoles illegal. Not toothless "don't you download that copyrighted song" illegal, but prison time illegal. The gacha game industry has some powerful, connected people over there who don't like it when the peasants mess with their cash cows.

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Incorrect. They made it illegal to mod console hardware and resell it. This is has nothing to do with PC modding and even then most mods aren't being sold.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

The only good theory to draw from this is DRU is the last ultimate they'll ever make. It's not worth the time if players don't want to play fair and complete it the same way they did in house.

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Thats silly...they wouldn't & Shouldn't stop making Ultimate Content because a few guys Cheated.
Should we just cancel all Extreme, Savage & Minstrel Trials while we are at it because some people might be cheating on that too? Nah, doesn't make since to me bruh, that would be less content (that people are already complaining we are losing) in the game, and that would be punishing people who had nothing to do with it.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

Incorrect. They made it illegal to mod console hardware and resell it. This is has nothing to do with PC modding and even then most mods aren't being sold.

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Doesn't mean they can't be nervous about it, at least to the point of grandstanding now and again. The Japanese playerbase gets a bug up their butts about it, suddenly Square acts. The fussing about it will die down when 5ch stops raging about it. It has nothing to do with the smug anti-parser NA community regardless.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Thats silly...they wouldn't & Shouldn't stop making Ultimate Content because a few guys Cheated.
Should we just cancel all Extreme, Savage & Minstrel Trials while we are at it because some people might be cheating on that too? Nah, doesn't make since to me bruh, that would be less content (that people are already complaining we are losing) in the game, and that would be punishing people who had nothing to do with it.

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Personal and unpopular opinion: if I saw a number that said how much dev time went into making all ultimate/savage fights and was told it was on par to, say, 2 dungeons per patch I would say axe away.