PvP,Whm,Drg etc..etc....

ok so....i just gotta say

https://imgur.com/wP4QMrh

SERIOUSLY!

that was a drg 60k Direct hit!! he 1 shot 4 of us ! how is that even fair??? this was in frontlines near our base

and whm are walking tanks in xstalline conflict , every time i see one on the other team i know our team is screwed, they take so much damage that is just laughable...
why any of these issues being addressed?
but nooo Yoshida Sama fixed the "toxicity" something that was plaguing pvp and killing it...makes no sense

There does need to be some tweaking with CC. Right now there is a meta because certain classes are just to strong in of themselves. They need to buff other classes (particularly SCH because I almost never see that, despite it being the utility healer.)

well... Yoshi has been in pvp a lot on jp servers...perhaps if he gets nuked enough times will he possibly think to look over some of the jobs again lol. Or people might throw the match when they see his char out of fear of being nerfed haha!

Dont worry, SCH is way more broken in pvp than any other class! After all, computerquip says so.

I also came from 2 frontlines where multiple groups of summoners were queing up for. so atleast 8 summoners in 1 alliance. oh the joy of being stunlocked and megaflared....

But yeah, awesome anti-toxicity measurements. Great Balance. Much Fun.

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Originally Posted by AngeliouxRein

well... Yoshi has been in pvp a lot on jp servers...perhaps if he gets nuked enough times will he possibly think to look over some of the jobs again lol. Or people might throw the match when they see his char out of fear of being nerfed haha!

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YoshiP, and his side of the world, has already been giving the 'west' the feeling they dont exist. I hardly doubt anything on this forum will ever have an impact on the game. Although I would find it interesting if people would make a point out of showing yoship how toxic pvp can really be through streamsniping or whatever. Cuz stunlock into megaflares is fun yall!

This might have felt so good for that DRG :D

That's why i love the new pvp, having the ability to instantly delete people feel awesome !

What I feel keeps happening is a lot is you're winning, the other group respawns, unloads 3 to 5 lb's on you and completely wipes your group, and then they lead, repeat

What I feel keeps happening is a lot is you're winning, the other group respawns, unloads 3 to 5 lb's on you and completely wipes your group, and then they lead, repeat

WHM needs to be delete from this game asap. there is no discussion or anything to be had, delete this garbage.

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Originally Posted by Syln

This might have felt so good for that DRG :D

That's why i love the new pvp, having the ability to instantly delete people feel awesome !

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Going from 100-0 isn't a fun feeling on the other end, nor does it take any skill. The mode needs to be rebalanced badly.

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Originally Posted by Wolwosh

What I feel keeps happening is a lot is you're winning, the other group respawns, unloads 3 to 5 lb's on you and completely wipes your group, and then they lead, repeat

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This is CC in a nutshell if your team comp has a lot of powerful LB's. If your team has a bunch of meh LB's then you're screwed unless the other team is just outright bad. Some LB's are too strong, some are just worthless and CC matches can snowball way too easily. Its horribly designed.

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Originally Posted by Ritsuka-55

WHM needs to be delete from this game asap. there is no discussion or anything to be had, delete this garbage.

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It might be less stressful for you to stick to crafting. There's no reason to do so.

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Originally Posted by gotaname1

YoshiP, and his side of the world, has already been giving the 'west' the feeling they dont exist.

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*looks at the topics in the general discussion*
Can you blame them? lol

PvP is by far the worst thing I've ever done in my life. I did one match and honestly it looks like it was made by a random on the street that was brought into Square and told "We are looking for a PvP designer for our MMO FF14." Where the random said, "few things, whats pvp, whats an mmo, and what is FF14" and Yoshii P went "FUCKING BRILLIANT YOU'RE HIRED!!!!" and this he created the system of PvP having no idea anything about the game or anything else.

Because really I don't think you could create a worse pvp system on purpose than what we have here. So it's really being optimistic to Square the pvp designer doesn't know anything. Because if he did he's a giant fucking idiot. There is no one good thing about pvp. Nothing. Everything about it is pure horrid.

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*looks at the topics in the general discussion*
Can you blame them? lol

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Nah, Japan is just the single most Xenophobic country on earth. The video game and anime industry would be larger than Hollywood if they cared at all about the outside world. But they profit the least out of both industries.

I'm also enjoying everybody and their cats playing Summoner or Scholar in FL

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

It might be less stressful for you to stick to crafting. There's no reason to do so.

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The awful tools for inventory management and lack of crafting mats inventory on this game would say otherwise. Crafting is easily one of the most frustrating things to do in this game

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Originally Posted by Hysorn

The awful tools for inventory management and lack of crafting mats inventory on this game would say otherwise. Crafting is easily one of the most things to do in this game

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I'm honestly surprised they haven't pruned the crafting job skills yet. Why keep skills that have a chance to work? Don't they realize that most players macro everything and anything with a chance just won't ever get used.

Also, seriously why do we need so many bait options for fisher? Arguably the single most useless job in game. Yet you need half your sattlebag devoted to storing your bait. Can we get a bait tacklebox already?

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Originally Posted by Zer0

PvP is by far the worst thing I've ever done in my life. I did one match and honestly it looks like it was made by a random on the street that was brought into Square and told "We are looking for a PvP designer for our MMO FF14." Where the random said, "few things, whats pvp, whats an mmo, and what is FF14" and Yoshii P went "FUCKING BRILLIANT YOU'RE HIRED!!!!" and this he created the system of PvP having no idea anything about the game or anything else.

Because really I don't think you could create a worse pvp system on purpose than what we have here. So it's really being optimistic to Square the pvp designer doesn't know anything. Because if he did he's a giant fucking idiot. There is no one good thing about pvp. Nothing. Everything about it is pure horrid.

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We get it, you overextended and got cc'd to death 10 seconds in. It's a rite of passage.

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Originally Posted by Ritsuka-55

WHM needs to be delete from this game asap. there is no discussion or anything to be had, delete this garbage.

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whm,drg and to some extent sam devs need to restrict them from pvp until they fix the catastrophic state of those jobs

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Originally Posted by keichirou

whm,drg and to some extent sam devs need to restrict them from pvp until they fix the catastrophic state of those jobs

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Good Lord. The hyperbole .

There is nothing 'catastrophic' about any of those jobs, all of them can be beaten. Asking to restrict them from pvp is hilarious.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

It might be less stressful for you to stick to crafting. There's no reason to do so.

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Sure, what would you say of the broken class you play? nothing, understandable. You can go back to tell people other stories.

I find that SMN and SCH in Frontlines are really ridiculous right now. Every time a Frontline ends it's always SCHs and SMNs doing more damage with more knockouts and assists than everybody else.

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Originally Posted by Ritsuka-55

Sure, what would you say of the broken class you play? nothing, understandable. You can go back to tell people other stories.

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Exactly what broken class are you referring to? Are you referring to my forum post? first of all if, if you think that I normally PVP on summoner- you would be dead wrong. it isn't even my main for PVE. Secondly, with respect to summoner in PVP- even in FL - if you get blasted by a summoner, then your team isn't countering them as a priority. If they're CCed or dead then you won't be getting blasted. also- don't have your whole alliance in one spot - but hey, you probably will just insist they're broken, that's easier then trying.

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Originally Posted by Veranolth

I find that SMN and SCH in Frontlines are really ridiculous right now. Every time a Frontline ends it's always SCHs and SMNs doing more damage with more knockouts and assists than everybody else.

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I just have to ask... are you a computerquip alt?

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Originally Posted by keichirou

ok so....i just gotta say

https://imgur.com/wP4QMrh

SERIOUSLY!

that was a drg 60k Direct hit!! he 1 shot 4 of us ! how is that even fair??? this was in frontlines near our base

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What that doesn't tell us was whether the DRG had any other source of damage increasing buffs. Did they have Battle High 5 (+50%)? Did they have an AST next to them(+10% to 40%)? Did they have any other teammate to buff their damage? Did any of you debuffed to take increased damage?

I don't think any of these jobs are designed around FL mode, so expect some whacky numbers.

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Originally Posted by Veranolth

I find that SMN and SCH in Frontlines are really ridiculous right now. Every time a Frontline ends it's always SCHs and SMNs doing more damage with more knockouts and assists than everybody else.

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I would agree on assist kills for SCHs, but "knockouts" too? Sorry not sorry, that's either their opponents are too stupid to not knowing the concept of falling back, watching debuff bar, or they don't have Recuperate set onto their hotbar. Lack of general awareness seems to be the real killer... which could've been responsible for just anything in PvP.

I can't confirm or deny any of that, but I can absolutely attest that SMN does tons of damage with Bahamut in FL. I regularly see 7+ SMN players on each 24-man team, and generally one of them will have the highest kill count and/or damage count. SMN mops up in PVP, especially in tight areas where it's hard to escape... because no matter what, there will be stragglers and they will be the first to be culled.

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Originally Posted by Zer0

PvP is by far the worst thing I've ever done in my life. I did one match and honestly it looks like it was made by a random on the street that was brought into Square and told "We are looking for a PvP designer for our MMO FF14." Where the random said, "few things, whats pvp, whats an mmo, and what is FF14" and Yoshii P went "FUCKING BRILLIANT YOU'RE HIRED!!!!" and this he created the system of PvP having no idea anything about the game or anything else.

Because really I don't think you could create a worse pvp system on purpose than what we have here. So it's really being optimistic to Square the pvp designer doesn't know anything. Because if he did he's a giant fucking idiot. There is no one good thing about pvp. Nothing. Everything about it is pure horrid.

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Seems like a certain someone here needs to git gud.

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What that doesn't tell us was whether the DRG had any other source of damage increasing buffs. Did they have Battle High 5 (+50%)? Did they have an AST next to them(+10% to 40%)? Did they have any other teammate to buff their damage? Did any of you debuffed to take increased damage?

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Idk It was literally in the very beginning, 5 mins in, even fully buffed with all that, a sam only makes 30k at most (and sam got nerfed swiftly), max hp in any class is not even 60k, the class is broken.
Im done with FL and xstalline conflict, tbh, is not even fun anymore..

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Originally Posted by keichirou

Idk It was literally in the very beginning, 5 mins in, even fully buffed with all that, a sam only makes 30k at most (and sam got nerfed swiftly), max hp in any class is not even 60k, the class is broken.
Im done with FL and xstalline conflict, tbh, is not even fun anymore..

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In 5min any Limit Break is ready to be used. Unlike pre 6.1 PvP, Limit breaks can be buffed by various sources or have their damage amplified by certain debuffs.

DRG by himself can boost Sky Shatter to 37500 with Geirskogul's buff, so the following amplifications can occur:

- WAR: Onslaught (+10% damage taken)
- DRK: Salted Earth (+10% damage taken inside SE)
- GNB: Relentless Rush (+4% damage taken per stack, up to 5)

- AST: Celestial River (+30%/+20%/+10% based on duration), The Balance (+10%)
- SCH: Adloquium (+10% via Catalyze effect, apparently more under Recitation)
- SGE: Toxikon, Toxikon II (+10% damage taken)

- NIN: Mug (+10% damage taken)
- BRD: Apex Arrow (+10% damage dealt), Blast Arrow (+5% damage dealt), Final Fantasia (+10% damage dealt)
- MCH: Bishop Autoturret (+10% damage taken)
- DNC: Saber Dance (+5% to Dance Partner)
- RDM: Frazzle (+10% damage taken)

Battle High (I-V): +10%, +20%, +30%, +40%, +50% (based on Batte High status)

Given damage amplification works multiplicatively and being generally eight players per Party in Frontlines, boosting a 37500 dmg Skyshatter to 60000 happens rather quickly. An AST alone can increase Skyshatter to 53625 dmg with their Limit Break and Balance together, so now think how many players can potentially contribute to the output to a single Limit Break.

Anyone that thinks SAM is a threat now really doesn't know how to PVP
FL any nuke class is strong but really who care FL was bad since StB
The PVP have more competence then most Devs Ive seen in any MMO don't insult them these guys work hard to try to keep FF PVP alive even when people didnt even care
I laugh that the ones that dont know how to PVP the most complain about the most pointless of things plz nerf classes that dont need it
So Whm can stay god and yes the Devs will listen to your dumb comments as you can see with SAM

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Originally Posted by gotaname1

I just have to ask... are you a computerquip alt?

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No idea who or what that is, sorry.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

I would agree on assist kills for SCHs, but "knockouts" too? Sorry not sorry, that's either their opponents are too stupid to not knowing the concept of falling back, watching debuff bar, or they don't have Recuperate set onto their hotbar. Lack of general awareness seems to be the real killer... which could've been responsible for just anything in PvP.

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Ok probably not knockouts for SCHs, assists though yeah, they'll usually be up there. SMNs usually do end up with the most knockouts and with many assists. Could chalk it up to opposing teams being really dumb and not falling back which is honestly pretty common.

Another edit: I actually do think SCH is overtuned and this screenshot is proof that something is not right.

https://i.imgur.com/qfBLOWa.jpg

If you think certain classes in CC is bad you should play Frontlines and get Bahamuh-bombed.

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I can't confirm or deny any of that, but I can absolutely attest that SMN does tons of damage with Bahamut in FL. I regularly see 7+ SMN players on each 24-man team, and generally one of them will have the highest kill count and/or damage count. SMN mops up in PVP, especially in tight areas where it's hard to escape... because no matter what, there will be stragglers and they will be the first to be culled.

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Yes having to deal with nodes where both Raids have to fight for it its almost impossible for melee jobs to even show their faces, SMN's are the most braindead job in pvp and their LB's needs a huge nerf like adding a 2-3 second casting so in that way they can't press their LB at the same time.

Actually people are just dumb, they keep walking straight in to SMN's LBs instead of dunno, baiting and when the Bahamuths are in stage proceed to counter.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

Yes having to deal with nodes where both Raids have to fight for it its almost impossible for melee jobs to even show their faces, SMN's are the most braindead job in pvp and their LB's needs a huge nerf like adding a 2-3 second casting so in that way they can't press their LB at the same time.

Actually people are just dumb, they keep walking straight in to SMN's LBs instead of dunno, baiting and when the Bahamuths are in stage proceed to counter.

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Yup. SMN LB in Frontlines is just too ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Veranolth

No idea who or what that is, sorry.



Ok probably not knockouts for SCHs, assists though yeah, they'll usually be up there. SMNs usually do end up with the most knockouts and with many assists. Could chalk it up to opposing teams being really dumb and not falling back which is honestly pretty common.

Another edit: I actually do think SCH is overtuned and this screenshot is proof that something is not right.

https://i.imgur.com/qfBLOWa.jpg

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What the total damage dealt does not take account is, whether said damage lead to an actual knockouts or not, which is what matters more because it takes away their team’s progress & gives the killer/assistants battle highs. I’ve achieved a similar degree of total damage dealt myself but my total assists & kills weren’t as impressive because there wasn’t any actual killing blows. I would argue that the DRG & yourself in your screenshot are actually the greater threats than that SCH (kudos, btw!)

There was already a previous thread where I & other forum dwellers explained: Biospread ticks accumulates overtime. It rarely kills you off on its own. It does not cc you. It does not stop you on your track. It does not stop you from pressing Recuperate. It does not stop you from falling back. The best it can do is they make it easier for the SCH to farm assist kills due to the nature of assist kill conditions & the pack mentality that most Frontline participant has.

Any coordinated attacks are easily more lethal than anything in FL. See that WAR/RDM/WHM cc’ing your group with that DRG & AST coming over with their LB & Double Gravity+Macro? Yeah, whoever’s caught in the line of fire will probably be dead in next 3 seconds. SCH is more dependent for this sort of coordination than any other jobs, they need another player to go in for the kills.

SCH Dots? Nothing a good Asp Benefic can't fix!
Unless it's an entire party of coordinated SCHs. In which case, you'd better be ready to recouperate every 3 seconds.

But otherwise Rein's correct in that coordinated attacks are what are truly lethal in PVP, and that's just the nature of PVP in general. CC is technically worse about this, just because a team with more experienced players will probably end up stomping the other team, regardless of team composition, due to a higher level of coordination.

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Originally Posted by Vatom

Anyone that thinks SAM is a threat now really doesn't know how to PVP
FL any nuke class is strong but really who care FL was bad since StB
The PVP have more competence then most Devs Ive seen in any MMO don't insult them these guys work hard to try to keep FF PVP alive even when people didnt even care
I laugh that the ones that dont know how to PVP the most complain about the most pointless of things plz nerf classes that dont need it
So Whm can stay god and yes the Devs will listen to your dumb comments as you can see with SAM

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there's always one...
*puke*