So housing issues get addressed by Yoshi-P immediately, but Hrothgar...?

It says a lot about how little thought he puts into even thinking about the Hrothgar community when he blatantly ignores us for nearly two weeks after showing off those disgraceful and outright disrespectful and lazy hairstyles and then feigns surprise that the hrothgar community (and a good many others who don't play the big cats) were very upset over how bad the hairstyles looked, especially with the ears removed.

Meanwhile when the housing lottery system doesn't work as intended, he gets up at 5AM on Sunday morning to write a personal message about how sorry he is. Not only that, but he writes a second message today, once again talking about how sorry and ashamed he is for the system not working like it is supposed to.

It really makes me feel like an afterthought, and when people bring it up he has this dismissive attitude about it.

He did address it, quite comprehensively. He admitted he was surprised at the reaction and asked Hroth players to respectfully suggest which way they would like to go,

do you want more human-type hairs faster - which would be earless?
do you want head specific racial hairs with ears that would be much slower?

He asked people to post their desire on the forums so he could then decide.

As you missed it, do you want a translation of what he said?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

It says a lot about how little thought he puts into even thinking about the Hrothgar community when he blatantly ignores us for nearly two weeks after showing off those disgraceful and outright disrespectful and lazy hairstyles and then feigns surprise that the hrothgar community (and a good many others who don't play the big cats) were very upset over how bad the hairstyles looked, especially with the ears removed.

Meanwhile when the housing lottery system doesn't work as intended, he gets up at 5AM on Sunday morning to write a personal message about how sorry he is. Not only that, but he writes a second message today, once again talking about how sorry and ashamed he is for the system not working like it is supposed to.

It really makes me feel like an afterthought, and when people bring it up he has this dismissive attitude about it.

---

I think it shows the opposite. He's very carefully considering the next step and putting a lot of thought into this. The housing got addressed immediately because it was an obvious error. So it was a no brainer to choose to fix it. Hrothgar and Viera were never designed to be equal races. So what does he do? Does he change the direction of the races design and reworks everything? That is a big thing to consider.

Hopefully not having ears is only a short-term solution. They're also working on Hrothgirls. Creating their hairstyles, making armor fit them and so on. Perhaps they will have fixed versions, on or near the release of female Hrothgar.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Shibi

He did address it, quite comprehensively. He admitted he was surprised at the reaction and asked Hroth players to respectfully suggest which way they would like to go,

do you want more human-type hairs faster - which would be earless?
do you want head specific racial hairs with ears that would be much slower?

He asked people to post their desire on the forums so he could then decide.

As you missed it, do you want a translation of what he said?

---

hrothgar players have been asking for the racial hairstyles for years, and have been asking for unique hairstyles for just as long. We havent been stomping our feet and throwing a tantrum over it because Yoshi-P had said repeatedly over the years that he wanted to do more beastial hairstyles for hrothgar, and yet here we are 3 years later with nothing to show for it except some REALLY ugly hairstyles that literally no one asked for on hrothgar

I am a Hrothgar player too, and I can wait for a new hairstyle.
I don't mind for new hairstyle that much since it's not affect the gameplay

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...569&height=401

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Shibi

He did address it, quite comprehensively. He admitted he was surprised at the reaction and asked Hroth players to respectfully suggest which way they would like to go,

do you want more human-type hairs faster - which would be earless?
do you want head specific racial hairs with ears that would be much slower?

He asked people to post their desire on the forums so he could then decide.

As you missed it, do you want a translation of what he said?

---

I would like a translation please.

Not surprised it was missed.

Where/when did he say this?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

hrothgar players have been asking for the racial hairstyles for years, and have been asking for unique hairstyles for just as long.

---

I didn't claim you were stamping your feet. I said that Yoshi did addresss it, and asked for people's opinions.

You can provide that opinion respectfully to Yoshi through the forums, or you can try to fight me, taking your frustrations out. The second option isn't the productive one. Especially as I have always hoped (and am strongly on record of) my dear, dear Hroth friends get all their dreams and the
hair they desire.

Arguing and saying irrelevent stuff isn't helpful.

Yoshi admitted he messed up and was taken by surprise, and now asks. So respectfully tell yoshi what you want. Don't lash out at me.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nethereal

I would like a translation please.

Not surprised it was missed.

Where/when did he say this?

---

In the patch reading before 6.1

Quote:

---

1:04 AM ] iluna minori (u/elevenmile) : On Hrothgar and their ears

YoshiP いやここは、ふれておいたほうがいいでしょう。
Well on this, I think it is important to touch on this part and provide an explanation.

まぁ、今回はロスガルは髪型が追加するというところで、まぁ今一度ちょっとロスガルの仕様について改めてお話ししたいんですけど、ロスガルって頭部形状が完全専用なんですね。だからこそその顔が実現できていて髪型とセットで作ってからこそこのクオリティなんです。もともとは髪型とかは追加できませんから…という話でスタートしてたんですけど、「なんとか髪型を追加していただきたいと、して欲しい」というコメントに、なんとか対応するのに、頭部の形状は何とか維持した状態で耳に関しては髪の毛の中に隠れているという形であれば順次実装していけますよという形でそのプランを取ったんですけど、やっぱり耳がないのはどうなのという声が多くて…
Well, this time we added hairstyles for Hrothgar, and I do want to make a mention on Hrothgar's specification one more time and talk on this. You see, Hrothgar's head part is actually and completely exclusive. Because of that we can achieve that kind of quality and realise the features of Hrothgar along with their hairstyle. Because of this speciality of theirs, Hrothgars originally cannot have hairstyles added...and that was what I mentioned at the start but since then we receive comments like "I want hairstyles to be added" so we tried to accommodate that and we did added it in, but with the condition where the ears are hidden "within the hairstyles" while maintaining the structure of their head. If that's the case, we thought we can gradually start adding hairstyles on them and that was the plan, but now we received a lot of voices saying that it somehow became weird that they don't have ears....
[1:15 AM] iluna minori (u/elevenmile) :
うんんん…ここちょっと悩んていて、今。この14のアップデートであれば…当然ですけど比較的に…それはそうは言っても頭の形状に合わせて調整しなければいけないのはそうですけど、毎回「そうじゃないんだ」という声が沢山いただくのであれば、一旦考え直して…追加頻度がめっちゃ落ちますけど、頭部形状に合わせた専用髪何とか作っていく？でも数は少なくなるとは思うんだけどな…うんんん…
Hmm...well this is something that we're struggling here, currently. Well if this is about an update to XIV...of course this is going to be compared somewhat but even as I say that, we did indeed try to accommodate by adjusting the hairstyle to match the head shape and whatnot but if what we get here was "no this wasn't what we meant" each passing day, then we do have to step back and rethink....well, this will cause the frequency of (hairstyle) addition to drop, but maybe we can create specialized Hrothgar hairstyle that match their head shape? Though this will come in very limited numbers...ummmmmmm....

やっぱりここは当初そこは割り切ってからこそロスガルが作れているので結構難しいんですよね。滅茶苦茶髪の毛を作るのは大変なんです正直…やっぱり…うんんんどうしようかな…今は悩んでおります。ただ早く早くって言われても結構時間はかかってしまうのでちょっとこの辺りはフォーラムを通ってまた（フィードバックを）お寄せいただければ大変助かります。コミュニティーチームでも皆さんのフィードバックをより取り纏めて報告してもらえようにしますので。ただ改めてご理解していただきたいのは、ロスがルの頭部形状は相当特殊なことをやって、今の実装…ケモナーの人たちが喜べるように作っているので他の種族とは全然作り方が違うというところがすみませんご理解いただると大変助かります。
I mean we indeed made it clear and because we did that we knew just how hard creating Hrothgar is. Creating hairs and furs for Hrothgar is honestly really hard...no joke. ......Hmmm, what should we do...Right, it is indeed troubling...Well even if you tell us to hurry up and find a solution we can't do that because it indeed takes time for us to. So I would appreciate it if you can send us your feedback to the official forums so that we can look into it. The people in the community team will gather and round up the feedback and report to the team. Once again, I want people to understand that the head shape of Hrothgar is really unique and specially made here, and we created and implement them this way thinking the Furries will be happy with this, so I'll be happy if please can understand that it's done completely different from other races in the game.

---

I am also going to add the translator's note. Please do read it as it is important culturally for your opinion to be respected. The bolding is theirs.

Quote:

---

9:46 PM iluna minori (u/elevenmile) :
Do note that he will keep reviewing the OF and he welcome your feedback and voice on the matter. Once again, I'll say this, Do it politely and do NOT bitch, whine, gaslight or guilt trip. Just state out your disappointment and your reason politely. Push for a change and they'll look into it.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Shibi

He did address it, quite comprehensively. He admitted he was surprised at the reaction and asked Hroth players to respectfully suggest which way they would like to go,

do you want more human-type hairs faster - which would be earless?
do you want head specific racial hairs with ears that would be much slower?

He asked people to post their desire on the forums so he could then decide.

As you missed it, do you want a translation of what he said?

---

I think my main problem is that he shouldn't have been surprised at all (and I really don't think he was, he seemed more annoyed than anything), given the feedback he has received for 3+ years roughly. Not trying to fight you, for the record, but I just find his response rather tone deaf. I feel like I've been saying "tone deaf" a lot the last few days, but there's not really any better term to describe what I've been witnessing.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I think my main problem is that he shouldn't have been surprised at all

---

I don't deny it Vahlnir. It's just possible he has never had any exposure to Kemono players before. I dunno, it's him.

But he wants to listen now. Even if it's three years too late.

I just hope people can do it with respect, as the translator suggested.

Housing is being immediately addressed because it's a major and urgent bug.

Hrothgar is not being immediately addressed because it's not a bug and it is working as intended.

Yoshi-P did address it in the patch note reading before we could even login and explained that it would take a long time to make the ears appear if that's what everyone wants and that it will reduce amount of hair styles they can do overall.

Hey at least you guys got someone talking to you in your thread. The healer threads have been going on for ages and not a word.

You'll get your fix.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BingleNingle

Hey at least you guys got someone talking to you in your thread. The healer threads have been going on for ages and not a word.

You'll get your fix.

---

Questions on healers have been answered, the answers just aren't what people on these forums want to hear.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Shibi

I didn't claim you were stamping your feet. I said that Yoshi did addresss it, and asked for people's opinions.

You can provide that opinion respectfully to Yoshi through the forums, or you can try to fight me, taking your frustrations out. The second option isn't the productive one. Especially as I have always hoped (and am strongly on record of) my dear, dear Hroth friends get all their dreams and the
hair they desire.

Arguing and saying irrelevent stuff isn't helpful.

Yoshi admitted he messed up and was taken by surprise, and now asks. So respectfully tell yoshi what you want. Don't lash out at me.

---

there have been a few players who have been white knighting for the 14 team pretty hard lately and almost all of them have accused the hrothgar players of being whiny and entitled.

We hrothgar players have been giving our opinions for years, and Yoshi-P hadn't deigned to give us any consideration or speak to us regarding hrothgar hairstyles until players started actively getting upset and were outraged by what he offered. So to see him ignore the outrage from Hrothgar players for the 2 weeks after the Live Letter and then express how shocked he is when it gets pushed to live with even more outrage is incredibly insulting and feels very disingenuous. It makes it feel so much worse when he immediately jumped to give 2 separate apologies regarding the housing lottery situation within 2 days of the issue popping up.

He says he is going to listen to our feedback, but he has pointedly ignored the hrothgar community up to this point, so i don't think anyone can blame me for feeling skeptical about it.

The dev team just needs to bite the bullet and make some custom hairs for the hroth race. Its that or make a completely new custom head that work with the current hair styles.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Shibi

*Helpful Information*

---

Thanks.

I don't particularly keep up with the hrothgar threads but I feel like this whole issue came about when Yoshi decided to cut corners/allow lower quality products to be released.
If you have a market for people who want lower quality products then you should make people aware that's who you're selling it to I.E. newly released hrothgar hair.
Because while the newly released hairs are simply a bad pick(seriously whoever picks these hairstyles, the viera ones were awful too) I can see there being people who are fine with their ears missing.

And if he couldn't make produce a product at regular or above average quality then he should've moved onto a different product(race-specific hair) instead that could be produced at acceptable levels of quality and then addressed the issue.
Unilaterally deciding to release a lower quality product is of course going to make a lot of people angry, especially after so many years have gone by with no communication at all other than: It's complicated. When modders have shown it isn't.
Allowing issues like this to fester, while taking the inferior road, all while being outdone by modders is just a recipe for disappointment.

Instead what he should have done is released race-specific hair(one group of a people would've loved it, one would be mildly upset) and simply said: "Hey we can get you your hair from the regular races, but it'll look like this. Do you still want this?"

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Housing is being immediately addressed because it's a major and urgent bug.

Hrothgar is not being immediately addressed because it's not a bug and it is working as intended.

Yoshi-P did address it in the patch note reading before we could even login and explained that it would take a long time to make the ears appear if that's what everyone wants and that it will reduce amount of hair styles they can do overall.

---

Yoshi-P has had THREE YEARS to come up with a solution to hairstyle problems that don't involve chopping off our ears to streaming the addition of shared hairstyles that literally no hrothgar player asked for. We have asked for years to get the 8 racial hairstyles that were added in 5.0 and have them be usable across all 4 faces at the Aesthetician. Instead we got the same selection of hairstyles that they gave to Veira despite the fact that nearly all of them look extremely bad on Hrothgar ( i mean have you SEEN the 2B hair? our skull looks like a damn hairy peanut).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Questions on healers have been answered, the answers just aren't what people on these forums want to hear.

---

"Go do ultimate."

Isn't a real answer.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nethereal

"Go do ultimate."

Isn't a real answer.

---

I second this I run strictly DF. Only time I feel like a real healer is when people are falling over themselves. I dont want savage or ultimate level healing in DF. Just something better then what we got now.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

there have been a few players who have been white knighting for the 14 team pretty hard lately and almost all of them have accused the hrothgar players of being whiny and entitled.

We hrothgar players have been giving our opinions for years, and Yoshi-P hadn't deigned to give us any consideration or speak to us regarding hrothgar hairstyles until players started actively getting upset and were outraged by what he offered. So to see him ignore the outrage from Hrothgar players for the 2 weeks after the Live Letter and then express how shocked he is when it gets pushed to live with even more outrage is incredibly insulting and feels very disingenuous. It makes it feel so much worse when he immediately jumped to give 2 separate apologies regarding the housing lottery situation within 2 days of the issue popping up.

He says he is going to listen to our feedback, but he has pointedly ignored the hrothgar community up to this point, so i don't think anyone can blame me for feeling skeptical about it.

---

I wonder where has he been getting his feedback from? I know many Hrothgar players wanted them to at least unlock the other Hrothgar hairstyles for the other faces. While I commend them for finally allowing Hrothgar the ability switch between the 2 hairstyles of a face, I am left wondering why they chose the those? Is it because they already made it available to male Viera?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by myahele

I wonder where has he been getting his feedback from? I know many Hrothgar players wanted them to at least unlock the other Hrothgar hairstyles for the other faces. While I commend them for finally allowing Hrothgar the ability switch between the 2 hairstyles of a face, I am left wondering why they chose the those? Is it because they already made it available to male Viera?

---

it feels like they pushed off actually working on this until the last possible second, and just decided to throw out the same set that viera got and hope players werent too pissed. suffice to say, they vastly underestimated how upset people would get.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

it feels like they pushed off actually working on this until the last possible second, and just decided to throw out the same set that viera got and hope players werent too pissed. suffice to say, they vastly underestimated how upset people would get.

---

I got that impression as well. Them laughing at the reveal was in poor taste and not professional and it made it seem to me that they didn't care. Maybe others felt the same way too; hence the current outrage.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by myahele

...Them laughing at the reveal was in poor taste and not professional and it made it seem to me that they didn't care....

---

It's too hard to know what was being said on those Niconico chat screens they have to the side, but I am pretty sure the laughing wasn't directly aimed at our dear Hroth friends.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

it feels like they pushed off actually working on this until the last possible second, and just decided to throw out the same set that viera got and hope players werent too pissed. suffice to say, they vastly underestimated how upset people would get.

---

This is true. It's been my feeling too.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Shibi

He did address it, quite comprehensively. He admitted he was surprised at the reaction and asked Hroth players to respectfully suggest which way they would like to go,

do you want more human-type hairs faster - which would be earless?
do you want head specific racial hairs with ears that would be much slower?

He asked people to post their desire on the forums so he could then decide.

As you missed it, do you want a translation of what he said?

---

Is this a late first April joke? People was doing this for years by now. It just like he will say fuck off and talk over there so 8 don't need to hear you. I don't get why people think yoshi is such a good and respectful person.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Havarth

Hopefully not having ears is only a short-term solution. They're also working on Hrothgirls. Creating their hairstyles, making armor fit them and so on. Perhaps they will have fixed versions, on or near the release of female Hrothgar.

---

They will not. I really can't understand players here. Yoshi say the most stupid thing for a reason to a big problem and most of the people forgive at the spot. He him self did say that the things this castrated races can use (hats,hair) was made by some devs in their free time. He don't give a fuck. The sooner people get it the sooner some thing may start to change.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Shibi

I didn't claim you were stamping your feet. I said that Yoshi did addresss it, and asked for people's opinions.

You can provide that opinion respectfully to Yoshi through the forums, or you can try to fight me, taking your frustrations out. The second option isn't the productive one. Especially as I have always hoped (and am strongly on record of) my dear, dear Hroth friends get all their dreams and the
hair they desire.

Arguing and saying irrelevent stuff isn't helpful.

Yoshi admitted he messed up and was taken by surprise, and now asks. So respectfully tell yoshi what you want. Don't lash out at me.



In the patch reading before 6.1



I am also going to add the translator's note. Please do read it as it is important culturally for your opinion to be respected. The bolding is theirs.

---

Shibi -

Please point out the part where he says "Sorry" or "We messed up."

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

Yoshi-P has had THREE YEARS to come up with a solution to hairstyle problems that don't involve chopping off our ears to streaming the addition of shared hairstyles that literally no hrothgar player asked for.

---

3 years in which they had bigger priorities such as new dungeons, raids, MSQ, an expansion and covid. Let's be honest, Hrothgar is not as popular as some as the others and hairstyles in general are not their biggest priority. I suppose they thought this was a good enough compromise to a problem that is hard for them to solve and their gamble didn't pay off, but it's still low priority so I wouldn't expect it to be improved any time soon.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nethereal

"Go do ultimate."

Isn't a real answer.

---

There have been other answers such as expressing how some healers might feel overwhelmed or just want to heal and nothing else, wanting to reduce the burden on healers in pvp because it doesn't fit with how the rest of the content in the game isn't stressful for healers.

Obviously they aren't the answers that people want but they are pretty clear answers. They don't want to make healing stressful or busy. The community can keep pushing for this answer to change, but it doesn't mean there hasn't been an answer.

There is tons of issues that dont even get talked about in a LL or at all that are brought up that people want changed or need a fix. Some of these havent been fixed either despite being brought up before Hroth existed. Some things took many many years to happen (un-genderlocking old dresses etc). So before you get angry about priorities you should think about that. They are trying to figure out a way to fix the hroth hair and ears. They gave solutions then asked people to leave feedback for what you would prefer to happen. Obviously they are waiting to gather feedback then make a change.

Just play Miqo. The best race.

Guys, why are you attacking me constantly? I am trying to be helpful and I am a strong ally of you. How about chill, eh?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kelev

Shibi -

Please point out the part where he says "Sorry" or "We messed up."

---

He hasn't said sorry, he's asked for people's opinion on which way to go now. You can do that respectfully, or not. I can't do it, as i don't play a hroth, even if I have a lot of Hroth friends and admire them all and want to help them!

As far as the show us where he says he messed up, this is it

Quote:

---

やっぱり耳がないのはどうなのという声が多くて… うんんん…ここちょっと悩んていて、今

---

Just everyone, stop attacking the messenger please, thats how you lose an ally. I know youse are all frustrated, but it' not my fault. Sheesh.

I don't really understand the technical side as to why they can't just add the ears afterwards?...
If there's bad clipping issues they could just shave some of the hair off to accommodate?

My Brother in Hydaelyn, they can't even make Healers engaging to play. Hrothgar issues are so far on the backburner it's ridiculous.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Shibi

He did address it, quite comprehensively. He admitted he was surprised at the reaction and asked Hroth players to respectfully suggest which way they would like to go,

do you want more human-type hairs faster - which would be earless?
do you want head specific racial hairs with ears that would be much slower?

He asked people to post their desire on the forums so he could then decide.

As you missed it, do you want a translation of what he said?

---

I knew before I came into this topic that yes they did address this recently. It seems the OP was unaware.

Yoshi P did say years ago that they had special heads and that hairstyles would take time. This dichotomy you present was not presented, not even in the excerpt you posted later.

Before the new hairstyles were presented there were two major hair concerns for Hrothgar
1. Having to fantasia to change hair which is connected to the issue that hairstyles are tied to faces.
2. like viera, a lack of hairstyles available in general, partially connected to point one but with all the same sub issues vierra had:

a. not many racial hairstyles
b. no access to general hairstyle shared by most races
c. no access to special collectable hairstyles including those purchased for real money.

As far as I've seen until the reveal of the new hairstyles the idea that they would remove ears never came up. This is supported by the response of both the English and Japanese speaking community.

It is clear from the response that no matter what hairstyle is added, no matter which category, Hrothgar Hairstyles should not remove ears*. He should not be surprised by the reaction and should take the time to do it right.

*Maybe if the hair is actually big enough to fully cover the ears in their natural position.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Shibi

do you want more human-type hairs faster - which would be earless?
do you want head specific racial hairs with ears that would be much slower?

---

I think everyone's just frustrated at his conflicting plans when the limited races are involved. We've been expecting more racial hairstyles since they were promised back in 2019... Only for him to give us Karen hairstyles instead, then he claims 'you can have more racial hairstyles but this is gonna take a long time' as if we haven't already been waiting for over 3 years.

There are many popular threads on the request of more racial hairstyles for Viera and Hrothgar, one has over 2000+ comments and 200,000 views but it was never passed along to the developers. The main question I want to ask him is, why are we forced to wait even longer when we've been requesting this for all this time? I don't think the community could have been more vocal about what they wanted.

Edit: I did not take the time to read the other responses to you, so I'm really sorry if people have already said what I did :) Hope you're all good! As you can see, the forums are very heated when this subject is brought up.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

I think everyone's just frustrated at his conflicting plans when the limited races are involved.

---

Being frustrated doesn't mean players need to go for the throat of allies trying to help with missed information.

Housing was simply a more critical issue to tend to then hairstyles

(no i didnt read any of the stuff in the thread, sorry)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Shibi

Being frustrated doesn't mean players need to go for the throat of allies trying to help with missed information.

---

I can see you were just trying to help, and I appreciate it a great deal.

There's no excuse for people taking their frustration out on you, sorry if that seemed like I was trying to excuse their behaviour.

I don't play Hroth, but I was super dissapointed with the Viera hairstyles added. I mean they are not my cup of tea but fine for some all I really wanted was to be able to use the Ramza hair for my Viera since I had to go thorugh Ivalice to get it or at least the ones I paid for, but oh well.

The biggest issue with this is there has been alot of intense visceral whining lately.

Listen to the community but don't only listen. Once a game listens completely to a community to try and give everyone what they want you end up with Rift 2018. If they put all their effort in Hrothgar hairstyles you'll complain about something else that was more immediate that involves actual gameplay or quest or dungeons etc, but hey you got your hair right? What if they delayed the expansion again, didnt add more story? No more new dungeosn for three years? If people do nothing but give your shit for something you've bled for, for years why would you keep doing it? Remember George Lucas sold Star Wars because people shit on him for 13 years. Hrothgar and Viera hair are not high prioity and they don't need to be. Would I like more hair for my viera? Yes but I dont see the need to complain endlessly about it. I get it, it's been 3 years but Hrothgar hair versus the housing issue? Which one is complained about more? The housing so which one should be addressed first? Not hair.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

3 years in which they had bigger priorities such as new dungeons, raids, MSQ, an expansion and covid. Let's be honest, Hrothgar is not as popular as some as the others and hairstyles in general are not their biggest priority. I suppose they thought this was a good enough compromise to a problem that is hard for them to solve and their gamble didn't pay off, but it's still low priority so I wouldn't expect it to be improved any time soon.

---

that is literally not an excuse since Yoshi-P is the one who insisted on having Hrothgar added to the game. He added this half-baked mess of a race and then completely ignored any requests or questions on the subject with a dismissive "it's complicated", despite the fact that modders have fixed the hair and hat problems for hrothgar, and did so within months of them being added to the game. When they added the earless hairstyles in 6.1, they fixed them and re-added ears within HOURS of it going live. There is no justifying or defending their absurdly lazy approach to giving hrothgar new hairstyles. To compound the sheer amount of gall, he had the audacity to go "well.. we COULD add new hairstyles with the ears still attached, but it's going to take a LONG TIME because it's so COMPLICATED." despite the fact he had THREE YEARS to talk to the community about what we wanted done.

If he had done so he would have known FROM THE START that Hrothgar players have, above all, asked for the ability to switch between the 8 racial hairstyles added in 5.0 across the 4 faces at the Aesthetician. There is no excuse outside of laziness that would prevent them from doing even that much considering those 8 hairstyles were already designed specifically to work with hrothgar ears in mind.

So please spare me your white knight rhetoric and quit defending their inexcusable behavior.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

that is literally not an excuse since Yoshi-P is the one who insisted on having Hrothgar added to the game. He added this half-baked mess of a race and then completely ignored any requests or questions on the subject with a dismissive "it's complicated", despite the fact that modders have fixed the hair and hat problems for hrothgar, and did so within months of them being added to the game. When they added the earless hairstyles in 6.1, they fixed them and re-added ears within HOURS of it going live. There is no justifying or defending their absurdly lazy approach to giving hrothgar new hairstyles. To compound the sheer amount of gall, he had the audacity to go "well.. we COULD add new hairstyles with the ears still attached, but it's going to take a LONG TIME because it's so COMPLICATED." despite the fact he had THREE YEARS to talk to the community about what we wanted done.

If he had done so he would have known FROM THE START that Hrothgar players have, above all, asked for the ability to switch between the 8 racial hairstyles added in 5.0 across the 4 faces at the Aesthetician. There is no excuse outside of laziness that would prevent them from doing even that much considering those 8 hairstyles were already designed specifically to work with hrothgar ears in mind.

So please spare me your white knight rhetoric and quit defending their inexcusable behavior.

---

What about "The hairs are attached to the heads and they would need to take the time out to redesign the models to separate the hairs from the heads to make that possible" do you not understand? It isn't the easy fix you make it out to be, it would require a full redesign of the Hrothgar models.