Housing update is up on lodestone.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...e8337b1a54220e

Nothing very interesting in that post, aside from some explainations about what happened which is welcome, no infos about what will happen following the "fix" though, if the people who won will get their house or not, I would personally assume that wont be the case but who knows.

Nice that it at least confirms they have records of who entered even if they pulled out their refund already and that they haven't lost their chance.

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

Nice that it at least confirms they have records of who entered even if they pulled out their refund already and that they haven't lost their chance.

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That's not what it says though, they simply said they have the records, they didnt say anything will be given to the "winners" of the lottery.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Nothing very interesting in that post, aside from some explainations about what happened which is welcome, no infos about what will happen following the "fix" though, if the people who won will get their house or not, I would personally assume that wont be the case but who knows.

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I said this in another thread, but I know it sounds very minor and it doesn't say much. At the end of the day, we still don't know what really happened, and we still don't know what fix they will implement.

But one thing is to be made clear. They did show transparency about how their code works and admitted they have lottery logs. So a fix can be implemented quite easily from them, and it does show that the dev team listened to people wanting an explanation out of them that didn't sum up to "hand wave it". Considering how some people were feeling, especially from specific topics, this is honestly a good thing.

Now we just wait. We know they have the tools to fix it, but first we need to know what's up with the code. And until then those plots won't go anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

That's not what it says though, they simply said they have the records, they didnt say anything will be given to the "winners" of the lottery.

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Why would they bother telling us that they have the entries saved if they didn't plan to give the plot to the entry that otherwise won?

This was posted about 13 hours ago in JP.

The only take away from this thread is that they DO know who bid on the 0'd out plots. So a plot reroll for those specific plots is on the table with that data

Edit: NVM THIS NEW INFO IS HUUGGGEE

"We will continue to carefully investigate and address the causes of these types of occurrences. We still have the lottery data, and it is possible for us to confirm the status of entry applications through our database server logs. These logs will be referenced to ensure that players who have accepted their gil refund from losing the lottery will not be negatively affected by the measures we will be taking afterwards. We apologize for the inconvenience caused by these issues, but please rest assured regarding this point."

This in itself proves that yes, even if you took your gil that no, you aren't SOL from that plot when rerolled and that YES. They ARE planning to do something after they clear it up. That's HUGE as far as update goes.

Hmm still means nothing. I was "lucky" enough that our FC got a house so I was with them taking pics etc. Then I started hearing about the zero error. So I have yet to click on my Pers plot, which I am the only bidder. In the Oceanic servers not uncommon. So I will wait to till they fix this, cause atm moment with the "0" error I only have a 50% chance to win... when it should be 100%. Still cant understand how they stuffed this up. For us old peeps... computer basic (on my old Commadare 64 had functions for this) As a side I am also trained in C++. Seriously its not hard . I reaaly think the lastest 'emergency' patch changed some things.

Its an 'if' function... it is really basic stuff they have stuffed up with the zero.

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Originally Posted by Wiglac

Hmm still means nothing. I was "lucky" enough that our FC got a house so I was with them taking pics etc. Then I started hearing about the zero error. So I have yet to click on my Pers plot, which I am the only bidder. In the Oceanic servers not uncommon. So I will wait to till they fix this, cause atm moment with the "0" error I only have a 50% chance to win... when it should be 100%. Still cant understand how they stuffed this up. For us old peeps... computer basic (on my old Commadare 64 had functions for this) As a side I am also trained in C++. Seriously its not hard . I reaaly think the lastest 'emergency' patch changed some things

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Read what I posted. That small bit is HUGE.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Nothing very interesting in that post, aside from some explainations about what happened which is welcome, no infos about what will happen following the "fix" though, if the people who won will get their house or not, I would personally assume that wont be the case but who knows.

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I suspect that their desire is to award all the rightful winners their plot.
They just haven't confirmed with certainty it is feasible. We are talking 10s of thousands of plots if a manual process is needed.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

That's not what it says though, they simply said they have the records, they didnt say anything will be given to the "winners" of the lottery.

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Yeah, and I didn't say that they would. One of the biggest questions coming out of the initial response was for players that had already pulled out their refunds before the devs announced the result window would be extended. This at least confirms the devs are aware of the concern and that the players who did take their refund "early" are not SoL

"These logs will be referenced to ensure that players who have accepted their gil refund from losing the lottery will not be negatively affected by the measures we will be taking afterwards."

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Originally Posted by Lecru

Read what I posted. That small bit is HUGE.

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"These logs will be referenced to ensure that players who have accepted their gil refund from losing the lottery will not be negatively affected." - from SE

No atm all that means people will recieve their gill back. NOT that they will recieve their house.

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Originally Posted by Lecru

This in itself proves that yes, even if you took your gil that no, you aren't SOL from that plot when rerolled and that YES. They ARE planning to do something after they clear it up. That's HUGE as far as update goes.

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Call me a pessimist but saying that people who already took their gil out won't be negatively affected means, to me, that they're going to let people enter again on these houses in the next cycle. Because I have my doubts they'd make a system where someone could win and THEN pay for it. Otherwise they could have people who took out their ~50m gil entry rolling with people who still paid 50m gil.

So in other words, sounds like the next round will have way more competition.

I am tentatively optimistic with this announcement, but I will personally be bearing in mind that any attempted fixes might still be suspect. I hope the fixes will actually undergo QA and bug testing, something that the lottery system was not subject to. If they somehow fuck this up again, this is all this newfound adventure patch will be remembered for, if not already.

This is ffxiv housing afterall. Hope for the best, expect the worst.

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Originally Posted by Wiglac

"These logs will be referenced to ensure that players who have accepted their gil refund from losing the lottery will not be negatively affected." - from SE

No atm all that means people will recieve their gill back. NOT that they will recieve their house.

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That... isn't at all what that means. Are you okay? "people who have ACCEPTED THEIR GIL REFUND FROM LOSING" on those 0'd out plots won't be affected. It doesn't say people who CAN'T CLAIM their refund.

I dont want a refund... I want my house when I was the only bidder... "are u OK". Like u long time player. I dont care about the Gil. I want my house :)

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Originally Posted by Lecru

That... isn't at all what that means. Are you okay? "people who have ACCEPTED THEIR GIL REFUND FROM LOSING" on those 0'd out plots won't be affected. It doesn't say people who CAN'T CLAIM their refund.

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You are being way too optimistic about this, it's speaking from a gil standpoint that people will receive their refund back, it doesnt say anywhere people will get the houses they didnt get due to the issues, if it does please pinpoint as to where, because I dont see it.

They wont be affected because they got their GIL back, not the houses.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

Call me a pessimist but saying that people who already took their gil out won't be negatively affected means, to me, that they're going to let people enter again on these houses in the next cycle. Because I have my doubts they'd make a system where someone could win and THEN pay for it. Otherwise they could have people who took out their ~50m gil entry rolling with people who still paid 50m gil.

So in other words, sounds like the next round will have way more competition.

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You're not a pessimist. It means the same to me.

Because why would they not just say "we have logs, the house will go to the actual winner just be patient while we fix it?"
Why all the explanation about what happens to the people who took their gil back....? If the house was going to the real winner, all the gil goes back and nobody would be rolling on the plot so who cares?

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

You are being way too optimistic about this, it's speaking from a gil standpoint that people will receive their refund back, it doesnt say anywhere people will get the houses they didnt get due to the issues, if it does please pinpoint as to where, because I dont see it.

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I'm reading it exactly how it's portrayed to the public. Has nothing to do with optimistic. If it was about giving gil back. It'd say "If you could not receive your gil from a losing plot, we will ensure it gets to you". But instead it's actively saying that those who HAVE accepted will not be effected.

Tldr

1) Winners keep their plots
2) If you took out your gil because you thought you lost it is ok, they have all information in logs. From this we can conclude if you were the only one who bid, you will get your plot as they know you bid even though you removed your money.

Ok well while I'm glad for a clarification on what happened, there is currently nothing saying what they are going to do about the whole situation since this caused a lot of psychological issues for people (not me personally but a handful of people ive had conversations with). And we were basically told to just to trust that they will fix it and they will make it right. I hope that the next update comes out with something that tells us how they are going to make the situation better. Needless to say I can't say that I'm looking forward to it.

Being optimistic about ishgard housing is what made us all immensely disappointed and hating housing somehow even more in ffxiv in the first place. I will only start celebrating when they clearly lay out what the procedure will be for the fixes, to every single last detail. They can't fool me twice. If they just give a refund, and not give solo bidders their house/reroll plots for those with multiple bids immediately, that will be another failure that can be added to the 10 year long list of fuck ups the housing team has done.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

You are being way too optimistic about this, it's speaking from a gil standpoint that people will receive their refund back, it doesnt say anywhere people will get the houses they didnt get due to the issues, if it does please pinpoint as to where, because I dont see it.

They wont be affected because they got their GIL back, not the houses.

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and you are being far too pessimistic.

The wording they chose is very specific - they would have zero need to mention it if it was relating to the gil itself and not the plot. Like, of course the gil's not going to be affected. Nothing short of a rollback can mess with gil that's been moved, you need look no further than the 'sprout steals all the gil from FC chest then leaves with the GMs unable to do anything' scams to know gil isn't the concern here.

The very fact the sentence before specifically drops 'we have the data on entries' is the entire focal point of that paragraph and what the statement refers to - the fact that they can reference the data, and not base it off of whoever still hasn't pulled their refund, by specifically mentioning that the measures they'll be taking will not negatively affect those who have pulled their refund, I.E, screwing themselves over out of a potential re-roll.

If it was referring to the gil, they would explicitly be talking about the 'there were no entries' error in that paragraph, since that actually does block refunds and would be an actual gil issue. But they specifically refer to the refunds, showing that it's not this case.

Yes, this whole situation sucks, but turn back the doomium about 400%. They're working on it, and their statement all but confirms they're doing a re-roll or something based on the entry data to deliver houses to those who entered and won/could have won. You don't have to be optimistic, but the report literally contradicts your doomium, so you can reel it back a bit.

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

and you are being far too pessimistic.

The wording they chose is very specific - they would have zero need to mention it if it was relating to the gil itself and not the plot. Like, of course the gil's not going to be affected. Nothing short of a rollback can mess with gil that's been moved, you need look no further than the 'sprout steals all the gil from FC chest then leaves with the GMs unable to do anything' scams to know gil isn't the concern here.

The very fact the sentence before specifically drops 'we have the data on entries' is the entire focal point of that paragraph and what the statement refers to - the fact that they can reference the data, and not base it off of whoever still hasn't pulled their refund, by specifically mentioning that the measures they'll be taking will not negatively affect those who have pulled their refund, I.E, screwing themselves over out of a potential re-roll.

If it was referring to the gil, they would explicitly be talking about the 'there were no entries' error in that paragraph, since that actually does block refunds and would be an actual gil issue. But they specifically refer to the refunds, showing that it's not this case.

Yes, this whole situation sucks, but turn back the doomium about 400%. They're working on it, and their statement all but confirms they're doing a re-roll or something based on the entry data to deliver houses to those who entered and won/could have won. You don't have to be optimistic, but the report literally contradicts your doomium, so you can reel it back a bit.

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This Stormpeak person has done nothing but complain about personal housing and the lack of it and such through every thread. That's why I didn't pay it too much mind

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Originally Posted by Lecru

This Stormpeak person has done nothing but complain about personal housing and the lack of it and such through every thread. That's why I didn't pay it too much mind

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So what are the positives of the lack of personal housing ? I'm all ears

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Originally Posted by Lecru

This Stormpeak person has done nothing but complain about personal housing and the lack of it and such through every thread. That's why I didn't pay it too much mind

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Its a shitposting account, its a boosted level 70 with nothing else leveled. I wouldn't take anything that person says as serious.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

So what are the positives of the lack of personal housing ? I'm all ears

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He's out of line, but he's right. It's the housing team. I trust the mahjong team more than I trust them. Mahjong actually works kek

I'm hoping that they'll add more wards soon.... and not 4 months later...but that's my copium talking lol

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

and you are being far too pessimistic.

The wording they chose is very specific - they would have zero need to mention it if it was relating to the gil itself and not the plot. Like, of course the gil's not going to be affected. Nothing short of a rollback can mess with gil that's been moved, you need look no further than the 'sprout steals all the gil from FC chest then leaves with the GMs unable to do anything' scams to know gil isn't the concern here.

The very fact the sentence before specifically drops 'we have the data on entries' is the entire focal point of that paragraph and what the statement refers to - the fact that they can reference the data, and not base it off of whoever still hasn't pulled their refund, by specifically mentioning that the measures they'll be taking will not negatively affect those who have pulled their refund, I.E, screwing themselves over out of a potential re-roll.

If it was referring to the gil, they would explicitly be talking about the 'there were no entries' error in that paragraph, since that actually does block refunds and would be an actual gil issue. But they specifically refer to the refunds, showing that it's not this case.

Yes, this whole situation sucks, but turn back the doomium about 400%. They're working on it, and their statement all but confirms they're doing a re-roll or something based on the entry data to deliver houses to those who entered and won/could have won. You don't have to be optimistic, but the report literally contradicts your doomium, so you can reel it back a bit.

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I agree with you they will have a reroll ......everything has stopped ......so reroll and reward the winners ......... names will be posted of those who won even if you have taken your money out. Just go back and see your name pay or cancel the entry if you have paid accept the house or cancel and get a refund. So simple

i wouldn't get your hopes up to be honest, they have a habit of turning a bad situation into a worse one. them saying they have data is cool and all but that doesn't mean they'll give you the plot as compensation no where is it stated that will be the case your best case scenario is they tell you can reclaim your gil and enter the next entry period or your entry is just placed on the same plot you bid on for the next entry period and you are just gunna have to pray or whatever else you do to keep your hopium alive that no one else aims for the plot you want.
the worse case you get only your gil back and told its the best they can do and to wait until further updates/adjustments are made and the lotto is closed until patch 6.1x is implemented

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Originally Posted by Wiglac

"These logs will be referenced to ensure that players who have accepted their gil refund from losing the lottery will not be negatively affected." - from SE

No atm all that means people will recieve their gill back. NOT that they will recieve their house.

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You missed the "by the measures we will be taking afterwards." part of the quote, despite the fact that the full quote has been posted multiple times.

Although we have no idea what these measures will entail, it does mean that they're planning to do something.

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Originally Posted by Wiglac

I dont want a refund... I want my house when I was the only bidder... "are u OK". Like u long time player. I dont care about the Gil. I want my house :)

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Call me crazy but Im starting to think you werent the only bidder for that plot. Its very odd that Im seeing a lot of people saying "I was the only bidder" when housing was supposed to be a super premium thing and you figure EVERY PLOT to have a lot of bidders no matter what.

Just doesnt make sense to me, I have a theory that the placard interface in of itself was buggy with showing the number of applicants

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Call me crazy but Im starting to think you werent the only bidder for that plot. Its very odd that Im seeing a lot of people saying "I was the only bidder" when housing was supposed to be a super premium thing and you figure EVERY PLOT to have a lot of bidders no matter what.

Just doesnt make sense to me, I have a theory that the placard interface in of itself was buggy with showing the number of applicants

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He's on Sophia. There are tons of people who bid 1 on a plot that are still sitting there. Materia should have been FCFS and not Lotto but it is what it is. There are tons of houses with no bids too, remember all 5 housing districts went up for sale completely empty.

There will be a slew of houses left for round 2, 3 and 4 and sadly the RMT botters are going to have a field day on that DC. And I might add there are mansions still sitting there with 0 bids.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Call me crazy but Im starting to think you werent the only bidder for that plot. Its very odd that Im seeing a lot of people saying "I was the only bidder" when housing was supposed to be a super premium thing and you figure EVERY PLOT to have a lot of bidders no matter what.

Just doesnt make sense to me, I have a theory that the placard interface in of itself was buggy with showing the number of applicants

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HI, fellow Sophia player like them here, a large majority of plots were 1-2 bids tops with the highest i saw on a non fc plot being around 8, there were absolutely plenty of people in this boat here, including me, who got the 0 error

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Call me crazy but Im starting to think you werent the only bidder for that plot. Its very odd that Im seeing a lot of people saying "I was the only bidder" when housing was supposed to be a super premium thing and you figure EVERY PLOT to have a lot of bidders no matter what.

Just doesnt make sense to me, I have a theory that the placard interface in of itself was buggy with showing the number of applicants

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We have our good friend Shibi who literally has a screenshot of him being the only bidder on a plot only to be bugged out of the plot lol, he's posted it around the forums related to housing.

Even on Zalera, some of the FC only wards had 0-1 bidders. It's personal houses that went nuts, but there were a couple of large homes that had 1 bidder. So yeah entirely possible for there to be one bidder even in non-Materia dcs..

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Call me crazy but Im starting to think you werent the only bidder for that plot. Its very odd that Im seeing a lot of people saying "I was the only bidder" when housing was supposed to be a super premium thing and you figure EVERY PLOT to have a lot of bidders no matter what.

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OCE servers have tiny populations and all wards opened at once so the few eligible were spread very very thin. My ward has some people that were hit by the 0 glitch but most of the cottages had no bidders at all.



also theres a new update out as of a few min ago, basically:
- Those who won were the rightful winners (ie. the people who claimed the system was off by 1 are wrong)
- Plots that display 0 winner ticket are a client side error, there is/was a winner determined server side but we cannot see who won. The winners will be able to claim their land once they fix the glitch.
- There will be no rerolls/rollbacks

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Originally Posted by Rokke

OCE servers have tiny populations and all wards opened at once so the few eligible were spread very very thin. My ward has some people that were hit by the 0 glitch but most of the cottages had no bidders at all.



also theres a new update out as of a few min ago, basically:
- Those who won were the rightful winners (ie. the people who claimed the system was off by 1 are wrong)
- Plots that display 0 winner ticket are a client side error, there is/was a winner determined server side but we cannot see who won. The winners will be able to claim their land once they fix the glitch.
- There will be no rerolls/rollbacks

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THANK YOU FOR THE INFO WOOOO

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Originally Posted by Padudu

We have our good friend Shibi who literally has a screenshot of him being the only bidder on a plot only to be bugged out of the plot lol, he's posted it around the forums related to housing.

Even on Zalera, some of the FC only wards had 0-1 bidders. It's personal houses that went nuts, but there were a couple of large homes that had 1 bidder. So yeah entirely possible for there to be one bidder even in non-Materia dcs..

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Alrighty! Thanks for explaining it. Just had those thoughts when I was seeing players responses being the same.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Nothing very interesting in that post, aside from some explainations about what happened which is welcome, no infos about what will happen following the "fix" though, if the people who won will get their house or not, I would personally assume that wont be the case but who knows.

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It pretty clearly gives the impression they intend to re-roll entries who lost to zero. Which means if you were the only participation, you'll get the house. Additionally, they admit to having logs for all entries, thus players who withdrew their gil won't be screwed. All in all, this is a fairly good response imo.