Rank 1 of the baseline heals

Please just create a trait that will replace these with rank 2 heals when appropriate level. Going back to low level and replacing r1 and r2 is just annoying, especially when you’re in kind of a middle level where you constantly have to switch between them.

Honestly, no one uses r1 after r2 is available, no one uses r1 to fish for the proc as a GCD in this game is worth much more than Mana. Apart from that it also functions as a noob trap when sprout healers try to keep up a wall pulling tank with a cure1 because they want to “conserve” Mana.

I have seen this quite a lot especially when they come from (Classic) WoW, where it’s the direct opposite in weighting.

End of rant.

Can work for some but not all, what is the R1/2 for Sage?

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

Can work for some but not all, what is the R1/2 for Sage?

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R1 and R2 on sage are already the same button

you barely use Eukrasian diagnosis as is :P once to get toxikon prepull then anywhere from 0-3 times an encounter. If you have more than 3 its either ex trial 2 or your party is rubbish

But... what about free cure then ? How the game can trap new players if they replace Cure 1 with Cure 2 ?

A while back someone mentioned the idea of combining Esuna with the baseline heals at some level. I prefer that idea because it's one less button and the noobs can still noob freely.

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

A while back someone mentioned the idea of combining Esuna with the baseline heals at some level. I prefer that idea because it's one less button and the noobs can still noob freely.

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That was ty_taurus in Thread: A Random Thought: Esuna.

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

A while back someone mentioned the idea of combining Esuna with the baseline heals at some level. I prefer that idea because it's one less button and the noobs can still noob freely.

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I like the idea of fusing these together but it still wont make me use the ability unless it's mandatory.

For WHM specifically maybe if removing status increased Free cure chance and gave something better than a free cure Ii

It's one of the ultimate "skill expression" buttons for healers: good healers will use it appropriately, bad healers will use it when they have different options.

For example out of several hundreds (if not thousands) of pulls I did while progging TEA, I had to use my r1 heal a small handful of time to prevent a tank from dying in just the nick of time while I was already out of oGCDs, not having that r1 single target heal would've absolutely sent those pulls into jeopardy.

It something that unfortunately happened this expansion with things like Earthly Stars, but I really don't like having actions gutted to cater to the lowest common denominator.

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For example out of several hundreds (if not thousands) of pulls I did while progging TEA, I had to use my r1 heal a small handful of time to prevent a tank from dying in just the nick of time while I was already out of oGCDs, not having that r1 single target heal would've absolutely sent those pulls into jeopardy.

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You could just give all of the rank 2 spells 1.5 cast times like Benefic 2 and they'd provide the same utility.

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A while back someone mentioned the idea of combining Esuna with the baseline heals at some level. I prefer that idea because it's one less button and the noobs can still noob freely.

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That was ty_taurus in Thread: A Random Thought: Esuna.

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I loved this idea, too.
They could also give it a similar treatment like PvP’s Purify.

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I like the idea of fusing these together but it still wont make me use the ability unless it's mandatory.

For WHM specifically maybe if removing status increased Free cure chance and gave something better than a free cure Ii

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You're not wrong that it would still largely be useless, but we kind of need Esuna mechanically. Even if we stopped using cleansable debuffs in the future, they'd need to retroactively change that in the past. At least this way we could condense buttons on all healers by 1 spot (even if WHM still somehow has plenty of hotbar real estate compared to the other healers), and these buttons would have a use once in a while.

Here's the only way that I think we could save Freecure, and in all honestly, I don't necessarily think this would be a good thing for WHM overall, but make it so that whenever you cast Cure, there's a 100% chance that your next spell--any spell--will have an MP cost of 0 and drop Thin Air. You want people to use Cure? That's how you do it. I doubt it would be very healthy for WHM, so really we should just kill Freecure once and for all, but watch it survive another 2 or 4 years.

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You're not wrong that it would still largely be useless, but we kind of need Esuna mechanically. Even if we stopped using cleansable debuffs in the future, they'd need to retroactively change that in the past. At least this way we could condense buttons on all healers by 1 spot (even if WHM still somehow has plenty of hotbar real estate compared to the other healers), and these buttons would have a use once in a while.

Here's the only way that I think we could save Freecure, and in all honestly, I don't necessarily think this would be a good thing for WHM overall, but make it so that whenever you cast Cure, there's a 100% chance that your next spell--any spell--will have an MP cost of 0 and drop Thin Air. You want people to use Cure? That's how you do it. I doubt it would be very healthy for WHM, so really we should just kill Freecure once and for all, but watch it survive another 2 or 4 years.

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the only way to save freecure is making it proc of stone/glare

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the only way to save freecure is making it proc of stone/glare

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At that point they might as well just delete Freecure and have Stone/Glare grant 5s of charge toward the next Lily, since Solace is already free Cure II. But it would change nothing because you still wouldn't burn Lilies to avoid overcap.

For WHM at least, Cure I still has a lot of use in the middle levels. It's perfect for healing up non-tanks for example. If it was replaced by Cure II through a trait, that would lead to more overhealing and wasted MP.

For the random proc however, I would prefer if that proc upgraded the spell to Cure II (or a crit heal like AST has).

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For WHM at least, Cure I still has a lot of use in the middle levels. It's perfect for healing up non-tanks for example. If it was replaced by Cure II through a trait, that would lead to more overhealing and wasted MP.

For the random proc however, I would prefer if that proc upgraded the spell to Cure II (or a crit heal like AST has).

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regen costs marginally more mp than cure 1 and heals 3x as much. theres no reason to use cure 1 if you can use a regen. if theyre about to die from unavoidable damage, cure ii wont overheal

also 15% chance to make benefic ii crit is extremely useless. if you have crit in your gear you have a higher chance to just naturally crit that benefic ii without wasting gcds fishing for a proc.