Sharlayan housing please?

I know that Ishgard Empyreum is coming in 6.1, but now that I've been to Sharlayan....I find myself wishing SE would surprise us with a housing ward there at the same time.

I mean we had Zabinie the Sharlayan NPC that was teasing us with, "See that stylish, shiny new house there? It's mine! I'd say I was lucky to snag the plot from it, but no - I really do deserve it."

Sharlayan has that ocean vibe with the northern lights and snowy weather occasionally...but it's still GREEN like Coerthas used to be before the calamity. Plus it's beautiful with the white marble everywhere. I could easily see us taking the gate to the right of the Leveilleur Estate that leads in to the interior of the island and into the housing ward for adventurers.

If it was instanced with a yard that would be even better.

Considering it took two expansions after HW to release Ishgard, expect Sharlayan Housing in like, 8.1?

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Originally Posted by Kalinas

I know that Ishgard Empyreum is coming in 6.1, but now that I've been to Sharlayan....I find myself wishing SE would surprise us with a housing ward there at the same time.

I mean we had Zabinie the Sharlayan NPC that was teasing us with, "See that stylish, shiny new house there? It's mine! I'd say I was lucky to snag the plot from it, but no - I really do deserve it."

Sharlayan has that ocean vibe with the northern lights and snowy weather occasionally...but it's still GREEN like Coerthas used to be before the calamity. Plus it's beautiful with the white marble everywhere. I could easily see us taking the gate to the right of the Leveilleur Estate that leads in to the interior of the island and into the housing ward for adventurers.

If it was instanced with a yard that would be even better.

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Sharlayan do not welcome outside and low academic individuals, so probably no housing open to non Sharlayan.

I think they're done with city housing at this point. It would be best if they just turned housing to islands and gradually removed wards as they become vacant. The overhead of hosting wards is stupid high. Imagine if they could use those funds to make more housing items instead with much higher placement limits. That would be amazing :)

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Sharlayan do not welcome outside and low academic individuals, so probably no housing open to non Sharlayan.

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That was prior to the 6.0 story though, things are a little different now.

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Originally Posted by Kalinas

That was prior to the 6.0 story though, things are a little different now.

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Different for the world. Not different for the majority of Sharlayans who had no direct involvement in the evacuation preparations and little knowledge of (or concern for) what was going on in the rest of the world.

A nation that has lived in intentional isolation for centuries for the sake of research is not going to suddenly change overnight. If you go around talking to the random NPCs in Old Sharlayan, there's still a considerable amount of disdain even when acknowledging our role in events. We're warmongers in their eyes. They clearly don't want us there.

Nor do they have need to open up residential districts for outsiders. They already have their own form of adventurers in gleaners and have less need of them now than in the past. They're highly unlikely to want to become a trade port like Kugane, especially since they have their arrangements with Radz-at-Han.

SE would have to really stretch to explain a housing district for Sharlayan unless they decided to go an instanced route similar to what ESO does and makes it a single instanced location made available in the city only to the WoL.

If you're just interested in housing with Sharlayan architecture, there are plenty of ruins in the Hinterlands that would make more sense to be refurbished as a housing district with the gobbies, who are looking to expand.

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Originally Posted by Kalinas

That was prior to the 6.0 story though, things are a little different now.

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You are probably not aware that Sharlayan is the only Erozea city nation with a Custom.
You need to pass their Custom in order to enter Sharlayan.
Not to mention lady of Custom also laugh it off if you are trying to claim you are Hero of Erozea.
You only get to enter only because you used your backdoor connection

If you are paying attention, entire only Old Sharlayan only fills with Sharlayan citizens.
The city itself is so denial on outsides even that Empress of underworld who used weekly tome to control us can't even access to the city.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

If you're just interested in housing with Sharlayan architecture, there are plenty of ruins in the Hinterlands that would make more sense to be refurbished as a housing district with the gobbies, who are looking to expand.

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I have wanted this to be a thing since I first landed in Idyllshire in HW. I will keep hoping until they turn off the servers lol!

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Originally Posted by LunaFancy

I have wanted this to be a thing since I first landed in Idyllshire in HW. I will keep hoping until they turn off the servers lol!

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I wonder if that's what we would have gotten if players had been more specific about what they wanted when they kept asking for Ishgard housing. There was a lot of "no, that's not what we meant" when Firmament was announced.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

If you're just interested in housing with Sharlayan architecture, there are plenty of ruins in the Hinterlands that would make more sense to be refurbished as a housing district with the gobbies, who are looking to expand.

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Waay back in HW i had a assumption about housing district for that area. The blueprint is there.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

You are probably not aware that Sharlayan is the only Erozea city nation with a Custom.
You need to pass their Custom in order to enter Sharlayan.
Not to mention lady of Custom also laugh it off if you are trying to claim you are Hero of Erozea.
You only get to enter only because you used your backdoor connection

If you are paying attention, entire only Old Sharlayan only fills with Sharlayan citizens.
The city itself is so denial on outsides even that Empress of underworld who used weekly tome to control us can't even access to the city.

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Ok now explain Ishgard housing

Explains what?
Didn’t Ishgard joined Alliance of Erozea and have troops listed under Grand Copmany of Erozea.
Where do you see Sharlyan showing that intension..
Sharlyan only agreed to submit the ship to Scions because that is the will of Hydaelyn, nothing to do with Erozea

There’s no guarantee that Sharlayan will forever stay isolated from the outside world, it’s 100% realistic to expect a future patch quest storyline about getting them to welcome immigrants. I’m sure back before 3.3 anyone would’ve said the same thing about Ishgard housing.

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Originally Posted by anhaato

Ok now explain Ishgard housing

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The Firmament/Empyreum quests already explain it to you.

The Dragonsong War is over. The formerly closed borders have now been opened. They're trying to rebuild a destroyed residential district (the Firmament) but due to the loss of life and disabling injuries of many of those left, they had no choice but to seek outside help with the rebuilding.

In gratitude for their restored homes and livelihood, the new residents of the Firmament banded together to create a housing district (Empyreum) for those who had helped.

As of right now, Sharlayan hasn't changed its policies. They've already shipped all the Thavnairian and other refugees who were in Old Sharlayan waiting to be sent to the moon back to their homelands.

Again, go around talking to Sharlayan NPCs if you've finished the MSQ. Some (not all) of them will thank you - but you're also clearly not wanted there. They still have their national identity based on peaceful pursuit of knowledge and they aren't interested in associating too closely with warmongers (us). It's not an attitude that would change overnight.

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Originally Posted by anhaato

There’s no guarantee that Sharlayan will forever stay isolated from the outside world, it’s 100% realistic to expect a future patch quest storyline about getting them to welcome immigrants. I’m sure back before 3.3 anyone would’ve said the same thing about Ishgard housing.

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No, it's not realistic.

Ishgard had reason to open its borders because of the losses they suffered. We already knew back in 3.0 after the Archibishop fled that Aymeric wanted the borders re-opened and that he intended to use his influence to make it happen (having no idea at the time how great his influence would end up being in the long run).

Sharlayan has lost nothing. They have no reason to change. The Forum has indicated no desire for things to change, unlike Ishgard.

Ala’migo housing, thavnair housing, moon housing, crystarium housing, Eulmore apartments(sorry no room for houses), um underwater housing? Dalmasca housing, garlemald housing.... so many places we need to build homes in.

There are a lot of areas in the cities that are blocked off that house a large open area; I was looking at some of those areas like something in The Pendants in Crystarium, and other areas. There are numerous places that they could set up the instance and transition to instanced housing, hopefully getting rid of wards and getting back to something feasible for the server operations. Put us into instanced housing, allowing us to relocate their residence and size of house. Have a common area(s) for socialization but you don't need an entire neighborhood for that.

Keep apartments and FC rooms for those that want them. Get rid of this humongous resource hog and structure it to something better that would also allow us to increase placement/storage amounts. Housing would be accessible by anyone who wanted them. Keep the pay structure and sizing if you want, it's fairly reasonable. Spending 15+ hours at a spot clicking on a board in the hopes of obtaining a residence is maniacal.

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Spending 15+ hours at a spot clicking on a board in the hopes of obtaining a residence is maniacal.

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Looks like they could be looking to make all housing to be done by lottery.

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Originally Posted by Eriane_Elis

and gradually removed wards as they become vacant

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Originally Posted by Greyhawk

hopefully getting rid of wards

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Cancel wards, where our pre-existing instanced housing, the apartments (+ FC rooms), are? (・ε・` *) …

Yeah…..not going to happen
Beside, apartment and FC room is already an instanced player housing that is accessible by everyone but a lot choose the ignore it.

SE has the database and they know how many people are accessing to instanced FC room and apartment. They are not going to waste resource on something players rarely use as FC room and apartment are already good enough.

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Originally Posted by Burmecia

Cancel wards, where our pre-existing instanced housing, the apartments (+ FC rooms), are? (・ε・` *) …

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The "entry portal" to access apartments could always be moved to a new location. Or SE could do what RIFT does with housing and allow players to enter directly from a search menu.

I don't see SE removing wards altogether, though. Players that have managed to get houses are too invested in them at this point.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I don't see SE removing wards altogether, though. Players that have managed to get houses are too invested in them at this point.

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Oh I don't know about that Jojoya. If SE were to redo personal/fc housing and make it much better then we currently have and limit players to having to choose between keeping their old ward style housing or new instance housing I could see them eventually getting to the point they could remove the wards.

The trick is in going about things in a way that players don't feel like things were taken away from them but rather they upgraded to something better.

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Originally Posted by Burmecia

Cancel wards, where our pre-existing instanced housing, the apartments (+ FC rooms), are? (・ε・` *) …

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You left out the part where I specifically stated, 'transition to'.

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Originally Posted by Bladehawk

The trick is in going about things in a way that players don't feel like things were taken away from them but rather they upgraded to something better.

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It's going to be extremely hard to get all players on board with the idea that taking the wards away would give them something better. People have different tastes and different reasons for being interested in housing.

Those who have managed to acquire multiple houses in the same ward are not going to feel like having multiple instanced housing areas is better because they'll have to jump loading screens all the time to move from house to house.

Those who have paid tens of millions of gil to "professional" decorators to get a certain look are not going to feel like they're getting something better when that investment is lost and they have to start from scratch in a new location that may not accommodate the same design.

Those who are into the RP club venues that spill out into the wards are not going to feel like they're getting something better when they can't get into the club at all due to lower player limits within the instance (unless SE is able to increase capacity several times over the current interior limit).

Those who are into gardening are not going to find it an upgrade if SE doesn't manage to solve the cross breeding in an instance problem. Island Sanctuary farming is going to be a completely different system from what has been described so far, with no market element since it is strictly non-competitive in nature and no RNG/risk of loss element because it's supposed to be stress-free.

Finally there are those who thrive on having something others can't get and use ownership of a particular plot to fuel their need for prestige/elitism. They're not going to be happy when everyone else gets to have the same location they have.

I'm not trying to say I feel SE should be continuing to cater to any or all of the above. But it's going to be impossible to convince all players that they're getting something better by removing the ward system and forcing them into an instanced system. Even if a majority is happier, there will be some left unhappy.

Better for SE to leave the wards in place for those who prefer them and wish to compete for the limited space. That development time has already been spent, after all. But shift all future development time and resources devoted to housing to an instanced system that serves the entire player base fairly so every player could have something more than a tiny apartment.

I really think we should get Sharlayan housing next. >o< I would prefer it to the Crystarium, because the Crystarium isn't even in the main world.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

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But....uh.....er......um.....yeah.....damnit Jojoya, why do you have to be so reasonable?

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

But....uh.....er......um.....yeah.....damnit Jojoya, why do you have to be so reasonable?

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I want to be happy with the game.

I also want others to be happy with the game, but what makes them happy may not be what makes me happy.

It helps discussion to try and see things from both sides, even if you don't necessarily agree with the other side. There's usually room for compromise that will at least leave most content (it's not likely you'll ever satisfy everyone).

If it was up to me - convert the wards into portal hubs for instanced housing. That's already happening when it comes to apartment buildings. Walk up to a placard and pick which house you want to visit from the list displayed. You get placed at the entrance to the plot just as you would get placed at the room entrance for apartments. Players still have the wards to meet and greet other players in passing - but they would also have instanced housing that would be able to supply every player with a house of their choosing.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I want to be happy with the game.

I also want others to be happy with the game, but what makes them happy may not be what makes me happy.

It helps discussion to try and see things from both sides, even if you don't necessarily agree with the other side. There's usually room for compromise that will at least leave most content (it's not likely you'll ever satisfy everyone).

If it was up to me - convert the wards into portal hubs for instanced housing. That's already happening when it comes to apartment buildings. Walk up to a placard and pick which house you want to visit from the list displayed. You get placed at the entrance to the plot just as you would get placed at the room entrance for apartments. Players still have the wards to meet and greet other players in passing - but they would also have instanced housing that would be able to supply every player with a house of their choosing.

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NO. I don't want to lose the ability to show off my house to others. I get a sense of pride from having a yard. Taking that away would make me very upset.

I am a programmer myself, but I won't call myself a professional.
But instanced housing do take up space in the servers too.
Maybe, and really a big MAYBE, the developers can fine-tune the way the current wards are saved in their databases.
I am still "supporting" the idea that they are not able to do a major revamp because of old/legacy code.

Which is also a possibilty, that they actually have a server does "performs the housing lottery" instead of having the housing server to do the lottery.
The lottery was conducted successfully, but the winning number was not communicated to the housing server
I am with the hopes that the recent lottery problems for housing will push the management to revamp the system on how housing works in the game, and get it right once and for all.

Maybe, with a newer code logic, they could implement more wards, or expand current wards.

In fact, I really love FFXIV's implementation of the neighbourhoods as wards.
Each house has a yard to put their outdoor furnishings, to make it unique.
This makes it such as all wards are unique, and it's really an enjoyable experience.
Hopefully FFXIV and team can do their best to make it happen for everyone who enjoy housing.

Crystarium Apartments would be interesting , The Quadrivium is aleady perfect for that.

Without diving into too many details of the 6.1 capstone role quests of Endwalker...Sharlayan be throwing wide the gates to some, so maybe there's hope still for the future.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Better for SE to leave the wards in place for those who prefer them and wish to compete for the limited space. That development time has already been spent, after all. But shift all future development time and resources devoted to housing to an instanced system that serves the entire player base fairly so every player could have something more than a tiny apartment.

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This is the best option, no question. I personally love ward housing and wouldn't want to give up my house or a chance to get a house in a ward. That being said, there's a great deal to be said for giving the whole player base the option to have an instanced house; especially if they can figure out how to give individuals access to cross-breeding and workshops. I see Crystarium, the moon, and Ala Mhigo being particularly suited to instanced housing along the lines of a townhome style with a small front yard for gardens etc. Hell, reducing the size of the yard might even mitigate some of the angst around not having enough outdoor item slots provided they're not reduced. Less space = greater density. Another benefit of this sort of arrangement would be having standardized exteriors based on the location for those of us who appreciate location-based aesthetics from their neighbors.

When I was young my grandfather had a space in a community garden that he used to grow vegetables. The land wasn't suitable for building houses on, but was perfect for terraced garden strips. This is also a thing in Japan and Europe so the concept shouldn't be so foreign as to give the team pause due to cultural differences. Other than technical limitations I'm ignorant of, I don't see how making small instanced community-style (seeming) garden plots for each player would be an issue if they can't or won't do gardens in a house instance. Crystarium and Bestways Burrows already have gardening areas built in. With the technology to generate zone instances already in place; I could see an adaptation of that being used for instanced gardens in both locations.

I'd be willing to bet a fair amount of players with ward houses would be amenable to the idea of relocating to an instanced situation if community-access gardens and workshops were available. I'm into the RP scene, am not willing to give up on ward housing myself, and am fine with the limitations they have as the price to pay for being in a ward. If giving the general player base a single house, ward or instanced, per account encourages people to relocate and open up ward plots for those like me, I'm all for it. Getting RPers out of apartments and into ward houses may actually improve the community feel the devs are going for. If not, then at least everyone's got access to a house.

Hey this thread has gotten really off-topic, there’s a million posts about instanced housing so can that be kept there? Sharlayan housing is the name of the game.

On that note, I really want it as well. Part of me is convinced that if they were to do so, it would be in labyrinthos to keep it ‘unique’, since every other housing ward has tried to carve its own niche.

At this point they might say forget housing and remove any future ideas for it lol

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Originally Posted by Taran42

Hey this thread has gotten really off-topic, there’s a million posts about instanced housing so can that be kept there? Sharlayan housing is the name of the game.

On that note, I really want it as well. Part of me is convinced that if they were to do so, it would be in labyrinthos to keep it ‘unique’, since every other housing ward has tried to carve its own niche.

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It is not off topic to disagree with the notion of adding a Sharlayan housing district on the grounds that it requires more server resources while falling far short of addressing the demand for housing.

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

If giving the general player base a single house, ward or instanced, per account encourages people to relocate and open up ward plots for those like me, I'm all for it.

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Until and unless they provide a means for alts to share houses that's still going to cause problems. I need another personal house like a hole in the head but I really do need access the features that it gates.

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

Getting RPers out of apartments and into ward houses may actually improve the community feel the devs are going for. If not, then at least everyone's got access to a house.

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I'd argue that feature gating (crossbreeding, workshops, etc.) is the bigger barrier. How many occupied houses do you see with no or haphazard decoration? Yeah, some of those are flippers but I'd argue the larger portion have them for the features and couldn't care less about decorating.

But that's not the only issue. It's always been a crap-shoot who will be your neighbors. Great if everybody's compatible in personality and schedule but there's no guarantee of either or both.

All of that ignores the convenience of the Limsa Aetheryte. A single known hangout spot vs. 300 wards. Inn Room, Vendors, Marketboard, Moogle vendor, Poetics vendor, and World Visit are all within easy running distance and it's accessible by fresh characters as soon as they're able to visit.

To circle back to the topic: The last thing we need is yet another MSQ gated ward housing district. IMO a better solution would be an instancing scheme that allows us to pick a location theme.

Producer-san is looking at this thread and nursing a massive headache.

Your best shot would be to ask for more housing skins. To turn the exterior and parts of the interior into that style.

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Originally Posted by EliaStormblade

Producer-san is looking at this thread and nursing a massive headache.

Your best shot would be to ask for more housing skins. To turn the exterior and parts of the interior into that style.

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That doesn't help much when the aesthetics around your plot don't match your exterior. Are you really going to feel like your housing is in Amaurot when you're surrounded by a sea of Moogle, Chocobo and Paissa houses in the Thanalan desert?

Im pretty sure well get housing there. But most definitely It hinted well get housing on the Moon cant wait :D my hopes and dreams of living amongst the stars so bright. I know its not canon to the time line or lore but housing in the crystarium would be nice as well or in Eulmore just to open up some extra room. It would help.